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I think that Lincoln's reconstruction would've been better than Johnson's out of simple competence, if nothing else
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A Man and his dog posted:Seriously, if you didn't go to church growing up, you can't really just start going in your 20s and saying your a faithful man or some poo poo. You can, and I'm pretty sure Nutranurse grew up Mormon.
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zoux posted:Thats a pretty big "obv lacking" yeah that's probably not the best phrasing, but Lincoln's kind of initial reconstruction plans were kind of eh basically you've got your optimistic prediction Lincoln overhauls things early on closer to radical reconstruction in those early years where there's massive social capitol for change right after the war or the pessimistic where he kind of fumbles and fucks up and were left with Lincoln not being as nearly well regarded nowadays as he is
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Sinnlos posted:You were going to a Pentecostal Church, try a Baptist Church from the National Baptist Convention next time if you want something historically African American and less insane. oh no my nonmormon family is baptist so ive seen that already, i was checking out the pentecostal church b/c said stealth black republican friend invited me and i was feeling amicable
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Foppery posted:I think that Lincoln's reconstruction would've been better than Johnson's out of simple competence, if nothing else Yeah.
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Sinnlos posted:You can, and I'm pretty sure Nutranurse grew up Mormon. How dare you challenge that man's religious authority.
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I also think churches are a big enough social factor in the South that it might make sense to go to one even if you don't believe simply so you can actually participate in a community.
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Jan 26, 2016 05:34
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i wonder if part of lincon's golden legacy is that he was too busy do to any actual governing
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I think the real problem isn't about hypothetical lincoln reconstruction or grant, it's how do you generate a timeline in which whoever is president after them doesn't stop giving a poo poo at all because no matter what they did it seems doubtful it would continue through
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A Man and his dog posted:Seriously, if you didn't go to church growing up, you can't really just start going in your 20s and saying your a faithful man or some poo poo. imo its prolly a much better thing to decide to become christian of whatever flavor as an adult than be forced into it as a child 
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Berke Negri posted:yeah that's probably not the best phrasing, but Lincoln's kind of initial reconstruction plans were kind of eh that's fair, but since she's talking in rhetorical, i think its fine to say go with the optimistic
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Sinnlos posted:I also think churches are a big enough social factor in the South that it might make sense to go to one even if you don't believe simply so you can actually participate in a community. yeah, this
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A Man and his dog posted:Seriously, if you didn't go to church growing up, you can't really just start going in your 20s and saying your a faithful man or some poo poo. How the hell do you fail to grasp the whole redemption angle of christianity?
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Jan 26, 2016 05:35
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Sinnlos posted:You can, and I'm pretty sure Nutranurse grew up Mormon. I had a completely secular upbringing, so it's kind of fun to wonder which one I'd sign up for if I wanted to
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Jan 26, 2016 05:35
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nutranurse posted:yeah, this like everyone i know from down here goes to church, even the tatt'd up hipster friends i have
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Sinnlos posted:I also think churches are a big enough social factor in the South that it might make sense to go to one even if you don't believe simply so you can actually participate in a community. maybe in a small town
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Disinterested posted:I think the real problem isn't about hypothetical lincoln reconstruction or grant, it's how do you generate a timeline in which whoever is president after them doesn't stop giving a poo poo at all well the hope would be that because lincoln lived and reconstruction actually worked, that the need and reason to continue would be there as american society would have been changed for the better
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i think it's pretty clear that hrc misspoke there
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Foppery posted:I think that Lincoln's reconstruction would've been better than Johnson's out of simple competence, if nothing else Lincoln's reconstruction would have done even less than the jack poo poo we got out of johnson. lincoln lucked out that he got shot so that he didn't lose the peace BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Yeah. lol and I'm the idiot
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Sinnlos posted:I also think churches are a big enough social factor in the South that it might make sense to go to one even if you don't believe simply so you can actually participate in a community. Or live in a city so that you don't have to do that
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Jan 26, 2016 05:36
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Foppery posted:I had a completely secular upbringing, so it's kind of fun to wonder which one I'd sign up for if I wanted to ive been thinking about flirting with catholicism b/c i like the ritual and history
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the_paradigm_shift posted:How the hell do you fail to grasp the whole redemption angle of christianity? Lmao
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zoux posted:death of the author doesnt apply to rhetoric I think you'll find that death of the author applies to everything
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Disinterested posted:I think the real problem isn't about hypothetical lincoln reconstruction or grant, it's how do you generate a timeline in which whoever is president after them doesn't stop giving a poo poo at all i don't think I've really seen a reconstruction plan that seems plausible without just I don't know, killing every land owner right after the war or keeping federal occupation indefinitely
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:well the hope would be that because lincoln lived and reconstruction actually worked, that the need and reason to continue would be there as american society would have been changed for the better i don't think anyone has ever been optimistic enough about a potential reconstruction project to imagine this
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lol and I'm the idiot You are, yes.
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nutranurse posted:imo its prolly a much better thing to decide to become christian of whatever flavor as an adult than be forced into it as a child It is, imo. I'm a practicing Catholic, but I plan on being pretty careful about religion with any hypothetical children. I personally think that blind faith has little meaning, and that it is possible to be a good person regardless of one's faith.
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Jan 26, 2016 05:37
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Disinterested posted:i think it's pretty clear that hrc misspoke there You don't think she was sending secret signals to the massive Lost Cause southern Democrat voting bloc that secretly is planning the resurection of the South?
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Jan 26, 2016 05:37
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:that's fair, but since she's talking in rhetorical, i think its fine to say go with the optimistic oh yeah obv
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:You are, yes. and what exactly are your credentials on reconstruction friar gently caress? writting guns of the south fan fiction doesnt count
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Jan 26, 2016 05:38
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Berke Negri posted:i don't think I've really seen a reconstruction plan that seems plausible without just I don't know, killing every land owner right after the war or keeping federal occupation indefinitely Well, frankly, im for it,
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Jan 26, 2016 05:38
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HRC doesn't care about black people
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Disinterested posted:i don't think anyone has ever been optimistic enough about a potential reconstruction project to imagine this well again its the difference in speaking in the rhetorical and then doing any sort of actual counterfactual timeline generation so, like it's not hard to imagine that a timeline in which lincoln lives is even marginally better, because we're deffo not in the good timeline
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:well again its the difference in speaking in the rhetorical and then doing any sort of actual counterfactual timeline generation yes obviously, I wasn't even talking about your candidate she still misspoke
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Raskolnikov38 posted:and what exactly are your credentials on reconstruction friar gently caress? writting guns of the south fan fiction doesnt count 
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concert to Catholicism and then immediately lapse is prob the pro move
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Disinterested posted:yes obviously eh, i don't think she really did and i think rask is making a giant deal out of nothing because he hates hillary.
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Rask when you start yelling for credentials you're starting to lose it.
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what if lincoln survived the assassination phineas gage style, and had a massive change of heart and refused to accept southern surrender, instead admitting his mistake and ordering the union army to stand down
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Berke Negri posted:concert to Catholicism and then immediately lapse is prob the pro move thats prolly what will happen
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