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Pandemonium posted:Oh, I have given up all pretense of people taking me at my word. Nothing I can do with the "spermjacker, redpill, treat my RL friend like he is your RL friend on the internet please" Spanish Matlock's of the internet. So now I'm purely in it for the I don't think it was blind goon rage. I think it was genuine confusion.
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Jan 26, 2016 11:15
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was to reinforce that point. And yes, I know it was tasteless. But, I didn't do it as a tasteful joke. I did it to see if any of you would unleash your blind goon rage, and whaddya know, someone did!
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Pandemonium posted:I know both the people in the photo (acquaintances, though, not really friends).. You have failed the Sally Anne test.
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Jan 26, 2016 11:16
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i'm an old rear end man and i can't get my dick up sing it with me yall gotta get cialis gotta get cialis gotta get cialis gonna get AIDS ohhhhh took too much heart attack but i have a boner YEAH i love you taiwan u guys rock better than china!!
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Jan 26, 2016 11:18
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You and I have very different definitions of "rage" also Pandemonium posted:你在簡直地講一個自閉症笑話嗎？ loving 
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Jan 26, 2016 11:19
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It's a pretty cute crossdresser/transwoman tho. I'd hit it
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Jan 26, 2016 11:47
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Pandemonium, I'm very sad to hear that you had to break up with your boyfriend. He's very brave for being able to go out in public as the true person he is. I wish him well as I know that Taiwan isn't as progressive as we all wish it was in regards to alternative sexualities. Question, when he goes out dressed up, how does he prefer to be addressed as, male or female?
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Spanish Matlock posted:You have failed the Sally Anne test. You have way too much internet-derived knowledge. Still haven't explained spermjacking, and now you are throwing in some random autism psych test? Again, you are betraying way too much knowledge on these particular topics. It's quite off-putting. this is a stickup posted:You and I have very different definitions of "rage" I think the more important thing was the "blind" bit of "blind rage". They're a duo, y'know? But rage is not the best word, true. And more criticism bait. Your last attempt made it clear you can't tell intentional word play from random word usage, so I'm going to go ahead and ignore any criticism you have of my Chinese unless you actually point out a real mistake. And "it doesn't look or sound authentic enough" isn't good enough, either.
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Jan 26, 2016 11:51
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quadrophrenic posted:It's a pretty cute crossdresser/transwoman tho. I'd hit it That's aboriginals for ya! He is Amis. YF19pilot posted:Pandemonium, I'm very sad to hear that you had to break up with your boyfriend. He's very brave for being able to go out in public as the true person he is. I wish him well as I know that Taiwan isn't as progressive as we all wish it was in regards to alternative sexualities. This is all kinds of stupid. Taiwan is about as progressive as it gets among the general populace. The Christians here are of course bigots, but thankfully they are a small, small minority. (I have never gotten more upset at a Youtube video than the one I saw of Christians creating human circles around gay individuals to bar the individuals from joining a gay rally or something in Taipei a few years back. Not a human wall-fence but moving human amoebae-circles that swallowed up gay individuals.) You'd know that if you lived in a city and not bumfuck hicktown or wherever you live. Come walk around Taichung on a weekend and see how many lesbian and faux-lesbian couples you see and how not a single person bats an eye. Literally no one, not even old people, give two shits about homosexuality any more. The standard answer is 開心就好了 when people are asked if their brother/sister/son/daughter/cousin/whatever is gay.
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Jan 26, 2016 11:56
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Everything I pointed out is a real mistake, I'm not willing to be your teacher though. Barto can help. Other than the fact that 自閉症 and 笑話 shouldn't be together like that, the mistake is that's not what 簡直地講 even means. 簡直地講, your Chinese sucks e: also you're wrong about the discrimination being completely gone. LGBT students get discriminated against, and even harassed by non-religious students at a decent rate here sentimental snail fucked around with this message at 12:01 on Jan 26, 2016 |
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Jan 26, 2016 11:59
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this is a stickup posted:Everything I pointed out is a real mistake, I'm not willing to be your teacher though. Barto can help. Oh poo poo! That was a typo on my part. Not 簡直 but 間接. That's totally my bad. Is that all you got? A typo?
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Jan 26, 2016 12:02
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I fully believe that you wrote exactly what you meant to write.
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Nah, I meant "indirectly" not "simple-straightly".
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this is a stickup posted:e: also you're wrong about the discrimination being completely gone. LGBT students get discriminated against, and even harassed by non-religious students at a decent rate here
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Jan 26, 2016 12:59
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Oh yeah, there is bullying in schools? *color me surprised*. I'm going to go to Taipei this weekend for a weiya, and then I'll probably go to that big area in the middle of the city that is full of open-air gay bars and listen to the gay guys there bitch and moan about how much their fellow Taiwanese discriminate against them because Taiwan has a huge homophobic problem outside of its Christian minorities. (No, schools don't count because kids make fun of each other for literally anything.)
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Jan 26, 2016 13:06
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Pandemonium posted:(No, schools don't count because kids make fun of each other for literally anything.) University students threatening transgender students outside and inside the dorms counts.
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Jan 26, 2016 13:09
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Pandemonium posted:(No, schools don't count because kids make fun of each other for literally anything.) Are you dismissive of children mocking each other for being of different races or genders?
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Jan 26, 2016 13:17
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this is a stickup posted:University students threatening transgender students outside and inside the dorms counts. Where'd this happen because I am genuinely curious? And acknowledging that kids are little monsters to each other over anything and everything is not the same as accepting it. Kids gun be kids.
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Jan 26, 2016 13:35
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Yes and no. Kids will be kids and kids will be shits to each other. But the things kids make fun of each other for don't exist in a vacuum. It's a learned behavior. When kids mock each other for race, skin color, or sexual orientation, that's because they heard an adult, usually a parent, doing the same. So if kids are going around making fun of each other for being homosexual, that's because they're being exposed to that somewhere, which hints that Taiwan might not be perfectly accepting of non-heteronormative lifestyles. Now I can't attest to how much of this goes on in Taiwanese schools. But I don't think hand waving it as "kids will be kids" is fair in the context of this discussion.
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Jan 26, 2016 13:42
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It's probably all his parents said to him when the other kids picked on him for not having any social skills. 
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I think you're overestimating parental influence. From what I understand, peer influence is much, much more important. For an example, see accents. Kids never never adopt their parents' accents and always always adopt their peers'. But this is super off-topic. All's I was saying was claiming kids make fun of each other about something is good evidence that polite society also has problems with that something is disingenuous.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYQHkwCfCiw Taiwan isn't as friendly to lgbts as it could be. I think it's pretty great as is, but I'm cishet and not a big enough asshat to try to speak for the lgbt community. quadrophrenic posted:It's a pretty cute crossdresser/transwoman tho. I'd hit it Same.
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Pandemonium posted:I think you're overestimating parental influence. From what I understand, peer influence is much, much more important. For an example, see accents. Kids never never adopt their parents' accents and always always adopt their peers'. I just read a couple of abstracts and it seems neither parental nor peer influence has much affect on racism and it's a complex mix of social pressures with contact being a large factor.
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Spanish Matlock posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYQHkwCfCiw You used cishet unironically. You done drank the kool-aid, friend. This country has had a mtf transgender host for ages and more recently a recurring mtf guest (babykiwi or something). For East Asia, Taiwan might be one of the best countries as far as treatment of its queer folks.
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Pandemonium posted:You used cishet unironically. You done drank the kool-aid, friend The angriest cracker has issues with gender politics, color me loving surprised. I guess you already got your "I have a token queer friend" post out of the way, so go on, enlighten us on the nature of kool-aid.
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Pandemonium posted:For East Asia, Taiwan might be one of the best countries as far as treatment of its queer folks.
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Pandemonium posted:You used cishet unironically. You done drank the kool-aid, friend. Wait, huh?
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Pandemonium posted:You used cishet unironically. You done drank the kool-aid, friend. Yes, the entertainment field is indicative of how an entire nation treats a group
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"alright guys there's a token transgender on TV so There Are No LGBT Problems"
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There were a few black folks on Friends
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One of the most popular and beloved comedy acts of the 80s back home was an out lesbian couple. Three decades later, gay marriage is legal. Coincidence??
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quadrophrenic posted:There were a few black folks on Friends Kirk kissed a black, racism is over.
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Friends is also really popular in China That's why there's no racism there
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TetsuoTW posted:Careful you don't trip on that low-rear end bar. Hmm, should we compare Taiwan to its neighbors or compare it to the West? Hmm, perhaps it's more reasonable to see how an East Asian country stacks up against other East Asian countries before we compare it to the US or Europe... but what do i know? Maybe you guys up there in sky dragon kingdom have a different perspective. Anyway, how very enlightened of you! Spanish Matlock posted:The angriest cracker has issues with gender politics, color me loving surprised. What's your progressive stack number at, bro? I'm sure we're comparable. And I'm sure identity politics are a load of loving horseshit.
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as an aside, i'd never heard 天龍國 before pandemonium mentioned it and, uh, how is that supposed to be an insult i live in the loving sky dragon kingdom, i ride the mighty thunder lizard to the gates of valhalla 
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It's meant to be an insult because it is saying Taipei people are full of themselves and detached from the rest of the country/reality. Also, historically, it's the place with the most waishengren, so that adds to things. And the vast majority of tax money is spent on projects in Taipei.
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quadrophrenic posted:as an aside, i'd never heard 天龍國 before pandemonium mentioned it and, uh, how is that supposed to be an insult My wife says it came from One Piece and it's only recently been popularized.
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Pandemonium posted:Where'd this happen because I am genuinely curious? I know of three notable cases in the last 6~ months. One in Taipei where someone was in general getting bullied/dealing with hate speech etc semi-regularly, culminated in a threatening message left in the person's bag while it was in the dorm. I know they withdrew from university, closed FB and poo poo, dunno if anything ever came of it. One in Tainan, transgender mtf is heading back to the dorms at night and a few (2? can't remember) guys start shouting insults and following her. She posted about the whole thing on facebook, and a not insignificant number of the student body attacked her, saying she made the whole thing up to force the school to let her into the female dorms or something. It was all recorded on the school's security cameras, so she was vindicated, but the general sentiment was "you're a weird guy in girl clothes" One more from a while back that I think was in Taichung? I can't remember honestly, but similar case, mtf in the male dorms was harassed. Guys were stealing underwear and generally crossing lines. I'm pretty sure I recall it ended with the school finding three accepting roommates, and actually moving her into the female dorms. Not sure if I can find this stuff again, but I'll look when I have free time if you really want to see.
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