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te laiskat maalaiset voisitte mennä töihin http://www.hs.fi/kaupunki/a1453608552654 
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Hogge Wild posted:te laiskat maalaiset voisitte mennä töihin aika populistista. hyvin ongelmallista.
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Jan 26, 2016 09:48
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Hogge Wild posted:te laiskat maalaiset voisitte mennä töihin I'd like to see per capita map on the tasausmaksut. It would be more skewed to pohjanmaa. I mean keski-pohjanmaa only gets second least tasaus?
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Jan 26, 2016 09:49
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mun puolesta pohjanmaan voisi antaa ryssille hitto, niille voisi vaikka maksaa siitä että suostuvat ottamaan päästäisiin eroon laiskoista pedokultisteista
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Jan 26, 2016 09:51
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Rappaport posted:Muutos 1054 I was really mad about the Great Schism too.
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Jan 26, 2016 10:05
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konna posted:I'd like to see per capita map on the tasausmaksut. It would be more skewed to pohjanmaa. I mean keski-pohjanmaa only gets second least tasaus? Keski-Pohjanmaa pop. 69k -> 411€ / person Pirkanmaa pop. 505k -> 162€ / person Get hosed inbred fucks.
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Jan 26, 2016 10:30
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Puistokemisti posted:Soini is either so incompetent that Sipilä and Stubbs are running laps around him, no small feat, about everything or he decided that only thing that matters is his ministerinsalkku and praying for a meteorite to hit every other party in next four years. Oh gently caress it's still so long. Has felt like 4 years already
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Jan 26, 2016 13:05
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tbf, running laps around soini is quite a feat because his circumference is very large
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Jan 26, 2016 13:14
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konna posted:I'd like to see per capita map on the tasausmaksut. 
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Jan 26, 2016 13:48
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Hogge Wild posted:te laiskat maalaiset voisitte mennä töihin Free City of Helsinki now
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Jan 26, 2016 13:50
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http://www.hs.fi/paivanlehti/26012016/a1453701048139 eijeieieieijeieieieijei E2 meganinja: SSS: champions of "pakkasella housuun kuseminen" E: Nice av Hogge SnowblindFatal fucked around with this message at 14:56 on Jan 26, 2016 |
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Jan 26, 2016 14:48
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lmbo Suomi nousuun!
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Jan 26, 2016 14:51
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People opposed to tasausmaksut should also demand the dismantling of sosiaaliturva.
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Jan 26, 2016 14:57
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Nenonen posted:People opposed to tasausmaksut should also demand the dismantling of sosiaaliturva. To be honest, there should be ample housing available in the Helsinki-Tampere region and then we could start dismantling the tasausmaksut. Survivors can stay where they are, but the rest should move to live amongst civilization. E: Guess if kepu is willing to put effort into making the said housing.
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Jan 26, 2016 15:01
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Also, when some people mention the statistics about "jobs open" (which is an absurdly low number compared to the number of unemployed people), do remember that a great deal of the open jobs are like this: http://www.mol.fi/tyopaikat/tyopaikkatiedotus/haku/8844611_fi.htm I mean sure, if a lawyer feels like he wants to drive a truck in 16-hour shifts and get 1500 € a month, no problem, but can any of you except GP consider this anywhere near acceptable?
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Jan 26, 2016 15:08
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SnowblindFatal posted:http://www.hs.fi/paivanlehti/26012016/a1453701048139 Itsellä on vähän ristitiitainen suhtauminen valtionyhtiöiden myyntiin. Toisaalta poliitikot ovat idiootteja ja yritykset pystyvät toimimaan paremmin ilman heidän holhoustaan. Toisaalta taas edes suomalaiset poliitikot eivät pysty ryssimään kaikkea ja ne firmat tuottavat kohtuullisesti rahaa valtiolle.  Indeksien mukaan nyt olisi hyvä hetki myydä osuuksia. Eri asia on sitten mihin ne rahat käytettäisiin. Veikkaan että tällä hetkellä ne vain tuhlattaisiin nykyisten epäterveiden rakenteiden ylläpitoon ja ne rahat loppuisivat muutamassa vuodessa, minkä jälkeen pitäisi korottaa veroja. Jos voitot sijoitettaisiin hajautettuina toisiin kohteisiin, silloin myymisessä voisi olla jotain järkeä. Toinen fiksu kohde voisi olla infran parantaminen. Kiitos kehuista.
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Jan 26, 2016 15:10
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SnowblindFatal posted:To be honest, there should be ample housing available in the Helsinki-Tampere region and then we could start dismantling the tasausmaksut. Survivors can stay where they are, but the rest should move to live amongst civilization. 17m2 of moldy neukkukuutio should be enough for every ydinperhe, right?
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Jan 26, 2016 15:13
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Darkest Auer posted:17m2 of moldy neukkukuutio should be enough for every ydinperhe, right? Within year, we'll be fighting in Tasausmaksut is a good thing but I think Keskusta has managed to spin it into votebuying scheme. Rip.
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Jan 26, 2016 15:22
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Hogge Wild posted:Itsellä on vähän ristitiitainen suhtauminen valtionyhtiöiden myyntiin. Toisaalta poliitikot ovat idiootteja ja yritykset pystyvät toimimaan paremmin ilman heidän holhoustaan. Toisaalta taas edes suomalaiset poliitikot eivät pysty ryssimään kaikkea ja ne firmat tuottavat kohtuullisesti rahaa valtiolle. Holhouksen haitallisuus ei ole peruste myynnille, koska yhtä hyvin voidaan myynnin sijaan päättää olla holhoamatta ja kerätä vain osinkoja. Miksi myydä osakkeita infran tai minkään muunkaan rahoittamiseen kun valtio saa lainaa negatiivisella korolla?
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Jan 26, 2016 15:25
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Puistokemisti posted:Tasausmaksut is a good thing but I think Keskusta has managed to spin it into votebuying scheme. Rip. Well right, obviously we can probably never have so equally prosperous municipalities that tasausmaksut should be totally eliminated, but the goal should be to look at what creates wealth and what eats it and try to get rid of the latter.
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Jan 26, 2016 15:27
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doverhog posted:Miksi myydä osakkeita infran tai minkään muunkaan rahoittamiseen kun valtio saa lainaa negatiivisella korolla? If anything, we should invest like hell because the private sector sure as hell isn't. If into nothing else, then things we are going to have to do eventually anyway.
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Jan 26, 2016 15:29
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Hogge Wild posted:Indeksien mukaan nyt olisi hyvä hetki myydä osuuksia. Eri asia on sitten mihin ne rahat käytettäisiin. Veikkaan että tällä hetkellä ne vain tuhlattaisiin nykyisten epäterveiden rakenteiden ylläpitoon ja ne rahat loppuisivat muutamassa vuodessa, minkä jälkeen pitäisi korottaa veroja. No sepä juuri. Kun otetaan velkaa koko ajan lisää, voidaan ensin myydä kaikki asiat jotta saadaan erät maksettua ja siten lisää velkaa, kun ei ole enää mitään myytävää voidaan verottaa nallewahlroosit puille paljaille tai kunnes muuttavat ulkomaille kerran (tai kaksi), ja lopulta on velkainen valtio jossa ei ole mitään myytävää tai ketään verotettavaa. Eipä tämäkään kuulosta hyvältä suunnitelmalta.
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Jan 26, 2016 16:51
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Hogge Wild posted:Itsellä on vähän ristitiitainen suhtauminen valtionyhtiöiden myyntiin. Toisaalta poliitikot ovat idiootteja ja yritykset pystyvät toimimaan paremmin ilman heidän holhoustaan. Toisaalta taas edes suomalaiset poliitikot eivät pysty ryssimään kaikkea ja ne firmat tuottavat kohtuullisesti rahaa valtiolle. You're a sucker if you think you can time the market correctly. Ehkä ne siks on myymässä.
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Let's ignore the unignorable fact that the government is just not as good as the private sector at managing most assets. The government has two choices: It can continue to be invested in a range of non-strategic assets (for example Solidium stakes). As a result, all citizens are automatically forced to 1) make the choice to invest instead of consume and 2) assigned a set of investments by the government instead of being allowed to decide on them on their own. Really the only reason to support government ownership of non-strategic assets is some sort of dogmatic belief that the government should always be involved. *looks at who made the post*. Oh, SnowblindFatal. So yeah, a dogmatic belief that the government needs to be involved in everything. Some exceptions to this: 1) When the government actually has a reason to make the consumption/investment decision because consumers undersave (saving for pensions, avoiding Dutch disease like Norway)
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Ligur posted:No sepä juuri. Kun otetaan velkaa koko ajan lisää, voidaan ensin myydä kaikki asiat jotta saadaan erät maksettua ja siten lisää velkaa, kun ei ole enää mitään myytävää voidaan verottaa nallewahlroosit puille paljaille tai kunnes muuttavat ulkomaille kerran (tai kaksi), ja lopulta on velkainen valtio jossa ei ole mitään myytävää tai ketään verotettavaa. We can get money at negative interest. It would be profit just to take as much as we can and just sit on it until the payment time comes. And if we as nation have no better sijoituskohteita than ~0.01% profit, then game over man, rip in piss.
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Puistokemisti posted:We can get money at negative interest. It would be profit just to take as much as we can and just sit on it until the payment time comes. And if we as nation have no better sijoituskohteita than ~0.01% profit, then game over man, rip in piss. If your idea is that you will take money from private investors for almost no return and invest in something they have complete access to (publicly listed stocks were being discussed earlier) with the expectation of earning a positive return, the old saying of "if you can't spot the sucker, you are the sucker" comes to mind. The money the government borrows comes from the same people who can invest in the stock market. And many other things. What does the government know that they don't? Why is the government better at bearing the risk than they are?
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Jan 26, 2016 18:10
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Sorry guys I didn't mean to summon him.
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I just realized Jurase Park and Jurassic Park sound exactly the same when pronounced by a normal Chinese English-speaker. I'm so disappointed the "owner" wasn't called Juranen 
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Jan 26, 2016 18:35
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SnowblindFatal posted:Sorry guys I didn't mean to summon him. If you don't want me to point out elementary errors in your posts about economics, try to think through the basic logic behind just one of your posts while resisting the urge to immediately jump to "the government's going to make me as rich as my high school classmates"
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Geriatric Pirate posted:Let's ignore the unignorable fact that the government is just not as good as the private sector at managing most assets. If you consider the amount of money that's just rotting on zero interest bank accounts, or the disproportionate amount of wealth tied to omistusasunnot, forcing citizens to invest in this manner might not be such a bad idea.
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doverhog posted:If you consider the amount of money that's just rotting on zero interest bank accounts, or the disproportionate amount of wealth tied to omistusasunnot, forcing citizens to invest in this manner might not be such a bad idea. In your previous post, you recommended the government take money from people because it can do so at a low interest rate. Now you're saying the government should discourage investments with a low rate of return. The bottom line is that outside of making sure that people are saving enough for their retirements and that the expected rate of return on these investments is high enough, I don't think the government should do anything (other than nudge-style programs and basic financial literacy) about whether people keep the money in a bank account or the stock market. People will have their own reasons for doing what they want. The reason we have so much wealth in housing is because it's something that the government has promoted for years. There's no other asset class that's as supported as housing. I'm all for people moving away from housing, but the answer isn't to funnel money into the next bubble but instead just let people make decisions on their own.
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SnowblindFatal posted:Well right, obviously we can probably never have so equally prosperous municipalities that tasausmaksut should be totally eliminated, but the goal should be to look at what creates wealth and what eats it and try to get rid of the latter. It's people. Specifically poor people. I'm pretty sure in some secret EK vault there are multiple plans (fantasies?) how to get rid of them. When people said "Suomi kuntoon!" actually meant "Suomi myyntikuntoon!" I thought it was a joke 
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Geriatric Pirate posted:If you don't want me to point out elementary errors in your posts about economics "Hmm yes, this idea of infinite growth sounds reasonable and I see no drawbacks to it."
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Fish of hemp posted:It's people. Specifically poor people. I'm pretty sure in some secret EK vault there are multiple plans (fantasies?) how to get rid of them. Haha, yeah, but you know I was talking about how those people are located.
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Jan 26, 2016 19:43
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Geriatric Pirate posted:Let's ignore the unignorable fact that the government is just not as good as the private sector at managing most assets. lol
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Geriatric Pirate posted:Let's ignore the unignorable fact that the government is just not as good as the private sector at managing most assets. The private sector is really good at laundering profits through tax havens while making the tax payers pay for their real or imaginary losses, yes.
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Darkest Auer posted:The private sector is really good at laundering profits through tax havens while making the tax payers pay for their real or imaginary losses, yes. Also: at providing goods and services consumers want
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Jan 27, 2016 13:04
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Geriatric Pirate posted:Also: at providing goods and services consumers want But not what they need.
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http://www.iltasanomat.fi/ulkomaat/art-1450782760890.html http://www.iltasanomat.fi/ulkomaat/art-1453881652646.html lmbo swedes, good job. Miten meni noin niinku omasta mielestä.
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Puistokemisti posted:http://www.iltasanomat.fi/ulkomaat/art-1450782760890.html verenpaine nousee
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