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MrKatharsis
Nov 29, 2003

feel the bern
That is actually a totally normal thing for landlords to do.

Enjoy the rest of the winter.

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marchantia
Nov 5, 2009

WHAT IS THIS
lol well...

Dogcow
Jun 21, 2005

BaseballPCHiker posted:

So I took their form, scanned it, and changed it to only be $10 a month more, then signed it and handed it back

:lol::lol:

You actually thought this would work? It's technically fraud, all I can do is :lol: right now..

BonerGhost
Mar 9, 2007

Rofl you loving idiot that's not how you negotiate.

Can't wait until you do that with your boat loan.

vaguely
Apr 29, 2013

hot_squirting_honey.gif

Dogcow posted:

:lol::lol:

You actually thought this would work? It's technically fraud, all I can do is :lol: right now..
he's just practicing for when he tells the insurance company that he's not living on his server boat

BaseballPCHiker
Jan 16, 2006

Dogcow posted:

:lol::lol:

You actually thought this would work? It's technically fraud, all I can do is :lol: right now..

They didnt have it singed or anything like that. It was just a form letter with my apartment number filled in and date to respond by. So I just took it and changed the amount, not fraudulent at all. If I'm expected to read every long winded legal agreement they send out they should have to read everything too.

antiga
Jan 16, 2013

Strong negotiating tactic or strong trolling tactic but hilarious either way.

You can buy a van on Craigslist tomorrow when they evict you, do it.

r0ck0
Sep 12, 2004
r0ck0s p0zt m0d3rn lyf
I think that was a very smart thing to do. You should be able to get this thrown out of court (if they are dumb enough to go that far) just cite this article as prior case precedent.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...g-to-terms.html

Veskit
Mar 2, 2005

I love capitalism!! DM me for the best investing advice!
Even if they signed the dumb 10 dollar increase month to month contract they'd just kick him out the next month and he'd just delay this absurd venture lolol.




Jesus christ this thread rules

Moneyball
Jul 11, 2005

It's a problem you think we need to explain ourselves.
He's giving advice in other BFC threads now. Can we get a mod ruling on that?

Devian666
Aug 20, 2008

Take some advice Chris.

Fun Shoe

NancyPants posted:

Rofl you loving idiot that's not how you negotiate.

Can't wait until you do that with your boat loan.

I've come across a lot of lawyers who negotiate that way. I change large portions of the contracts and give them long lists of things to fix.

The non-retarded way to negotiate is to write them a letter explaining that you think it's excessive and make an offer in the letter. Don't communicate like a lazy lawyer.

Dwight Eisenhower
Jan 24, 2006

Indeed, I think that people want peace so much that one of these days governments had better get out of the way and let them have it.
Pretty sure making a passive aggressive counter offer relying on them to rubber stamp any contract they get back that looks similar to the one they sent out is the best idea posted in this thread so far.

I mean apart from the not doing all the stupid ideas. That's the actual best idea but it's not very creative.

r0ck0
Sep 12, 2004
r0ck0s p0zt m0d3rn lyf
He could use this same idea for getting a boat loan. Simply apply for a house loan, get the paper work all filled out and then insert "boat" after "house".

Giraffe
Dec 12, 2005

Soiled Meat

BaseballPCHiker posted:

If I'm expected to read every long winded legal agreement they send out they should have to read everything too.
It sounds like they did. How's that working out?

BonerGhost
Mar 9, 2007

r0ck0 posted:

He could use this same idea for getting a boat loan. Simply apply for a house loan, get the paper work all filled out and then insert "boat" after "house".

Seconded.

SiGmA_X
May 3, 2004
SiGmA_X

BaseballPCHiker posted:

Quick update on living the boat life. First off my preliminary tax bill has come in and it isn't that bad. So far I only owe about $350. I'm still waiting on tax forms for some company stock I got and I still have some deductions to add for my side business but overall I think it'll be under $400, which isn't great but isn't as bad as I thought it'd be.

Second update, I've been on a month to month lease for a while now. Finally my buildings management company gave me a form that basically said resign a year lease or pay $150 extra a month to stay month to month. That seemed completely unreasonable to me. I need a few months still to get a boat and need all the money I can get. So I took their form, scanned it, and changed it to only be $10 a month more, then signed it and handed it back. I got a VERY angry sounding voicemail from the building manager and have a meeting with them later this afternoon. I could be out a place all of the sudden and really need to find something quick. Hopefully I can get any type of house boat on an interim basis until I can secure a permanent one.
This is awesome. I wish you could put the voicemail on The Interwebs for our entertainment, as well as a copy of the exchange you had this afternoon which resulted in...no more posts?

Orthodox Rabbit
Jun 2, 2006

This game is perfect for empty-headed dunces that don't like to think much!! Of course, I'm a genius... I wonder why I'm so good at it?!

r0ck0 posted:

He could use this same idea for getting a boat loan. Simply apply for a house loan, get the paper work all filled out and then insert "boat" after "house".

Maybe he could also just get a smaller loan and photoshop in a few 0's until he has enough to buy a boat

BaseballPCHiker
Jan 16, 2006

Alright time for a quick update on the whole apartment situation.




I bamboozled that sum bitch something good!!! Yeehaawww!!!! Funky Winkerbean more like Skunky Stinkerbean!!! Hahahahahaha I got em.

Whew I need to calm down a bit. I'm flying high right now. Basically HE DIDNT READ MY FORM and turned it in to the management company! Hahahaha I'm still getting a chuckle out of this. So they're going to honor the agreement! Even better there is a two month notice period that either party has to give to end the agreement, so the earliest they can give me the boot is the last day of March! The size of the vein on the dudes forehead was so big you could plucked it right off with some chop sticks. Hahahaha I hornswaggled the poo poo out of him. That said he made it very clear that he would make absolutely certain that I never sign a lease there again or with any other building managed by the company.

So all in all it was a much needed victory on the path to the boat life. Now i have some time to do my due diligence and get a seaworthy boat to call home.

BaseballPCHiker fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Jan 26, 2016

lord1234
Oct 1, 2008

BaseballPCHiker posted:

Alright time for a quick update on the whole apartment situation.




I bamboozled that sum bitch something good!!! Yeehaawww!!!! Funky Winkerbean more like Skunky Stinkerbean!!! Hahahahahaha I got em.

Whew I need to calm down a bit. I'm flying high right now. Basically HE DIDNT READ MY FORM and turned it in to the management company! Hahahaha I'm still getting a chuckle out of this. So they're going to honor the agreement! Even better there is a two month notice period that either party has to give to end the agreement, so the earliest they can give me the boot is the last day of March! The size of the vein on the dudes forehead was so big you could plucked it right off with some chop sticks. Hahahaha I hornswaggled the poo poo out of him. That said he made it very clear that he would make absolutely certain that I never sign a lease there again or with any other building managed by the company.

So all in all it was a much needed victory on the path to the boat life. Now i have some time to do my due diligence and get a seaworthy boat to call home.

But you are 99% sure you are gonna get your 60 day notice come February 1st?

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

BaseballPCHiker posted:

Alright time for a quick update on the whole apartment situation.




I bamboozled that sum bitch something good!!! Yeehaawww!!!! Funky Winkerbean more like Skunky Stinkerbean!!! Hahahahahaha I got em.

Whew I need to calm down a bit. I'm flying high right now. Basically HE DIDNT READ MY FORM and turned it in to the management company! Hahahaha I'm still getting a chuckle out of this. So they're going to honor the agreement! Even better there is a two month notice period that either party has to give to end the agreement, so the earliest they can give me the boot is the last day of March! The size of the vein on the dudes forehead was so big you could plucked it right off with some chop sticks. Hahahaha I hornswaggled the poo poo out of him. That said he made it very clear that he would make absolutely certain that I never sign a lease there again or with any other building managed by the company.

So all in all it was a much needed victory on the path to the boat life. Now i have some time to do my due diligence and get a seaworthy boat to call home.

Serious question, how much time do they have to give you to vacate and how long can you stretch it legally? I imagine they'd get you a 30 day notice, but I didn't know if they could forcibly evict you on day 31 or if a whole new time table started for that process.

As much as I don't want to see somebody die, I really want this story to continue. I guess I'll get over your eventual death at sea.

BaseballPCHiker
Jan 16, 2006

Basically either party has to give a two month notice to terminate the agreement. So come February 1st the building manager will be giving me my notice and I'll have two months from that date. So i'll have to be out by March 31st.

Hahahaha although I bet I could trick him again that old tired sack of scalloped potatoes. Hahaha I cant stop laughing at how red and pissed off he was! I bet I cost him a bonus or something, serves the greedy bastard right.

Enfys
Feb 17, 2013

The ocean is calling and I must go

I hope this thread never ends :allears:

Veskit
Mar 2, 2005

I love capitalism!! DM me for the best investing advice!
I can't believe how action packed this thread is at only 12 pages. Also I can't believe how happy someone can be over 300 dollars who is in the market to buy a house...




boat

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously

So if I'm understanding this correctly you'll be saving $280 that you otherwise would have paid, and in exchange you must be out by the end of March? What's your damage/pet deposit? Doesn't seem likely you'll be getting that back.

Also can we get a poll added for naming the boat? Nominating Skunky Stinkerbean.

Moneyball
Jul 11, 2005

It's a problem you think we need to explain ourselves.
Call it the Hespergus.

Moneyball fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Jan 26, 2016

Dwight Eisenhower
Jan 24, 2006

Indeed, I think that people want peace so much that one of these days governments had better get out of the way and let them have it.

Mojo Threepwood posted:

So if I'm understanding this correctly you'll be saving $280 that you otherwise would have paid, and in exchange you must be out by the end of March? What's your damage/pet deposit? Doesn't seem likely you'll be getting that back.

Also can we get a poll added for naming the boat? Nominating Skunky Stinkerbean.

They can't just keep his deposit without demonstrating damage to the apartment.

Not that there won't be an attempt, but OP should probably document the condition of the apartment before moving out.

defectivemonkey
Jun 5, 2012

Dwight Eisenhower posted:

They can't just keep his deposit without demonstrating damage to the apartment.

Not that there won't be an attempt, but OP should probably document the condition of the apartment before moving out.

If it's one of those where they'd be you prices like "$50 to clean the sink if it's dirty, $75 to vacuum if needed" then the dude will nickel and dime him until the deposit runs out.

Guess you really need to find a houseboat now, OP. I think you're done renting anywhere that requires a history.

BaseballPCHiker
Jan 16, 2006

detectivemonkey posted:

If it's one of those where they'd be you prices like "$50 to clean the sink if it's dirty, $75 to vacuum if needed" then the dude will nickel and dime him until the deposit runs out.

Guess you really need to find a houseboat now, OP. I think you're done renting anywhere that requires a history.

Oh I'll get my deposit back %100 for sure. I took meticulous pictures before moving in and will do the same moving out. Learned that lesson already and even got to go to small claims court to get my money back. That Lisa Frank colored prune building manager is in for a world of legal pain if he tries to screw me on that. I put down a $200 pet deposit thats non-refundable but will get the rest back.

So now I have a set timeline. Come April I need to be in a boat or homeless.

Moneyball
Jul 11, 2005

It's a problem you think we need to explain ourselves.
My bet is dead.

Veskit
Mar 2, 2005

I love capitalism!! DM me for the best investing advice!
If this isn't a troll, which I honestly can't tell, I legitimately think you should see a therapist if you think boat or homeless are your only viable options.


Also how are you going to post here if you're a hobo?

Moneyball
Jul 11, 2005

It's a problem you think we need to explain ourselves.

Veskit posted:

If this isn't a troll, which I honestly can't tell, I legitimately think you should see a therapist if you think boat or homeless are your only viable options.


Also how are you going to post here if you're a hobo?

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3743191

Veskit
Mar 2, 2005

I love capitalism!! DM me for the best investing advice!

That guy is in Vegas though, I'm pretty sure OP's shoes are going to freeze to the concrete trying to walk to one.

BaseballPCHiker
Jan 16, 2006

Veskit posted:

If this isn't a troll, which I honestly can't tell, I legitimately think you should see a therapist if you think boat or homeless are your only viable options.


Also how are you going to post here if you're a hobo?

I dont honestly think those are my only two choices. Just a goal. I think I've proven that I won't just move into any cheap boat. I'm taking my time to try and find a good one and get a loan for it at a reasonable rate. If I was as crazy as all of you think I am I would've just taken the insane personal loan at a crazy high rate and bought the first boat I saw. I'm not doing that. I'm taking my time to find a good one at a good price. Then the savings start rolling in.

Edit: Internet
The guy I talked to at the Marina earlier this winter had internet. I can't say how good it was, probably some form of DSL. When I get to the marina I'll talk to my neighbors. Ideally we could go all in on a fiber connection and I could setup some Ubiquiti gear to bridge it over to our boats. Not super worried about internet though.

BaseballPCHiker fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Jan 26, 2016

Veskit
Mar 2, 2005

I love capitalism!! DM me for the best investing advice!
Why don't you find a room to rent that is month to month and get a storage unit until you can live out your dreams of being a lovely boat captain?


You know, just in case.... It wouldn't even be that much money to have a lot of security

BonerGhost
Mar 9, 2007

Dude right on, saving money and sticking it to pricks!

Some people might call it short-sighted to nuke your ability to rent really any property in that city, starting in 63 days, over what they consider a trifling amount of money. Others might think that if you need $280 that badly that you can't really afford to live on a boat. There might even be some real pessimists out there who think sharing an internet connection with your neighbors opens you up to all kinds of liability and potential criminal charges since there's always some guy using torrents for child porn and you're all sharing a residential connection against the terms of the service.

You've opened my eyes, BaseballPCHiker. I hope I'm not out of turn here, but I think we could all stand to learn from your example of tenacity in the face of adversity. Some people refuse to see the glass half full, and I don't want to be one of those people anymore. I want to be like you, optimistic against all odds, just a man and a dog chasin' a dream. Also I think you should say gently caress it and use your retirement accounts now for the down payment, what's the point in saving for an eventual, theoretical future? Brother, the sea is gonna provide!

Giraffe
Dec 12, 2005

Soiled Meat

Mojo Threepwood posted:

Also can we get a poll added for naming the boat? Nominating Skunky Stinkerbean.
I vote for the S. S. Schaedenfreude.

Tyro
Nov 10, 2009

Mojo Threepwood posted:

Skunky Stinkerbean.


Keep on stickin it to the man, OP.

qmark
Nov 21, 2005

College Slice

NancyPants posted:

Dude right on, saving money and sticking it to pricks!

Some people might call it short-sighted to nuke your ability to rent really any property in that city, starting in 63 days, over what they consider a trifling amount of money. Others might think that if you need $280 that badly that you can't really afford to live on a boat. There might even be some real pessimists out there who think sharing an internet connection with your neighbors opens you up to all kinds of liability and potential criminal charges since there's always some guy using torrents for child porn and you're all sharing a residential connection against the terms of the service.

You've opened my eyes, BaseballPCHiker. I hope I'm not out of turn here, but I think we could all stand to learn from your example of tenacity in the face of adversity. Some people refuse to see the glass half full, and I don't want to be one of those people anymore. I want to be like you, optimistic against all odds, just a man and a dog chasin' a dream. Also I think you should say gently caress it and use your retirement accounts now for the down payment, what's the point in saving for an eventual, theoretical future? Brother, the sea is gonna provide!

This, definitely.

OP, can we finally abandon the delusion that any part of your plan is rational, or financially motivated?

You're pursuing a houseboat at all costs, with an outrageously short deadline (self-inflicted by your tactless interaction with your landlord) that serves only to apply pressure on you to make decisions as quickly as possible. Yeah, that's a recipe for some great decision-making!

Keep repeating to yourself over and over again that buying a houseboat is going to provide "savings." I'm sure that will make it true. Even your comically flawed estimates have you saving only a few hundred dollars a month.

Even if there were savings to be had (I don't think there are), it would take a very smart (and probably already wealthy) person to make deals with favorable terms and set the conditions to come out ahead. Your method of "negotiating," your bizarre reaction to what happened with your landlord, and the fact that you're celebrating saving like 300 dollars in exchange for basically getting evicted, suggest to me you are not that person.

CellarDweller
Jan 19, 2014

Down In The Pit... There's It!
Sounds like that if you just refused to sign the lease you would still be living there until the end of March because of the need for two months notice. So really you paid 20 bucks for the privilege of not being able to rent somewhere else. Congratz?

e: How do you intend to explain this to your gf?

CellarDweller fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Jan 26, 2016

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defectivemonkey
Jun 5, 2012

Veskit posted:

Why don't you find a room to rent that is month to month and get a storage unit until you can live out your dreams of being a lovely boat captain?


You know, just in case.... It wouldn't even be that much money to have a lot of security

Wow way to miss the obvious in your plan there.

OP, get a storage unit. Then live in the storage unit. You can do it I believe in you.

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