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Torpor posted:If the Sheriff was gaming the Bundy's to lure them out then that actually makes the FBI/LE seem rather competent. Extremely competent since Sheriff Palmer is a certifiable right-wing extremist of very close to their variety. If they actually managed to lean on him to get him to do this I'll be really impressed.
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Torpor posted:If the Sheriff was gaming the Bundy's to lure them out then that actually makes the FBI/LE seem rather competent. My interpretation was actually more like how quickly he got turned against them with some federal woodshed talks, and then believe they needed to be taken in himself (folks like this kind of always believe they were on the right path of thinking).
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Right now Blaine Cooper is the biggest known time-bomb at the refuge. There may be other nutcases with a death-wish there but I wish like hell he was already in custody.
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Abner Cadaver II posted:Extremely competent since Sheriff Palmer is a certifiable right-wing extremist of very close to their variety. If they actually managed to lean on him to get him to do this I'll be really impressed. That said they may not have had to do that since the meeting was basically public knowledge.
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my dad posted:Can someone explain the situation with the kids? Blaine Cooper, and his wife, had children. While they were loving around with their treason, the grandmother decided enough was enough and called CPS to pick up the kids. Blaine had a meltdown, and some buddies of his impersonated law enforcement and kidnapped the kids. The kids were reported to have been taken to a "secure location", but it's widely assumed that they were smuggled to the refuge. Now Blaine refuses to leave, and people are worried that his kidnapped children are going to be killed when he provokes a shootout with law enforcement.
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Crain posted:If that Sheriff actually turns out to have been playing the SovCit movement in order to honeypot them I'll eat a literal crow. If he was it was a pretty long con. I'd put my money on the Feds telling him to either get in line or get a lawyer to defend against a conspiracy charge.
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my dad posted:Can someone explain the situation with the kids? There's a bunch of people up at the "fort" including kids. This includes Blaine Cooper's two kids who were taken him from Child Services only for him, Santelli, and others to KIDNAP them on a live feed and bring them back there. Once all the ring leaders were arrested Santelli wanted to break it all up and send everyone home and called Cooper back at the compound, but Cooper appeared to tell Santelli that he was going to "stand his ground" and give up his life (Santelli was telling him he has a lot to live for) and now the kids and others may or may not be hostages/shields for the psychos up there.
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Captain Bravo posted:Blaine Cooper, and his wife, had children. While they were loving around with their treason, the grandmother decided enough was enough and called CPS to pick up the kids. Blaine had a meltdown, and some buddies of his impersonated law enforcement and kidnapped the kids. The kids were reported to have been taken to a "secure location", but it's widely assumed that they were smuggled to the refuge. Now Blaine refuses to leave, and people are worried that his kidnapped children are going to be killed when he provokes a shootout with law enforcement. STAC Goat posted:There's a bunch of people up at the "fort" including kids. This includes Blaine Cooper's two kids who were taken him from Child Services only for him, Santelli, and others to KIDNAP them on a live feed and bring them back there. Once all the ring leaders were arrested Santelli wanted to break it all up and send everyone home and called Cooper back at the compound, but Cooper appeared to tell Santelli that he was going to "stand his ground" and give up his life (Santelli was telling him he has a lot to live for) and now the kids and others may or may not be hostages/shields for the psychos up there. poo poo. 
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RIP Tarp Man, you went out in a gunfight with the cops just like you said you would you crazy bastard. Thank god they were able to capture a good chunk of the ringleaders though. Are there any estimates on just how many women and children are
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If these assholes are responsible for the deaths of children because they go full Koresh/Jonestown, I hope every one of them has the book thrown at them.
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STAC Goat posted:There's a bunch of people up at the "fort" including kids. This includes Blaine Cooper's two kids who were taken him from Child Services only for him, Santelli, and others to KIDNAP them on a live feed and bring them back there. Once all the ring leaders were arrested Santelli wanted to break it all up and send everyone home and called Cooper back at the compound, but Cooper appeared to tell Santelli that he was going to "stand his ground" and give up his life (Santelli was telling him he has a lot to live for) and now the kids and others may or may not be hostages/shields for the psychos up there.
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Roll in with the MRAP, let the fuckers waste all their ammo and then gas and bag em'
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Captain Bravo posted:Blaine Cooper, and his wife, had children. While they were loving around with their treason, the grandmother decided enough was enough and called CPS to pick up the kids. Blaine had a meltdown, and some buddies of his impersonated law enforcement and kidnapped the kids. The kids were reported to have been taken to a "secure location", but it's widely assumed that they were smuggled to the refuge. Now Blaine refuses to leave, and people are worried that his kidnapped children are going to be killed when he provokes a shootout with law enforcement. Pete, to his credit, was actually really worried about the kids and actually went to the cops for help. That's when they arrested him.
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Mr Interweb posted:You're right, but that's why I said he was the least worst person. Still bad, but probably not as bad as that Ritzheimer or Santelli gently caress. I don't know, running what's as close as he could likely get to a child slavery thing, and getting government money for it, is pretty drat bad. Personally, for me, child abuse in whatever form causes my estimation of a person to drop a lot, so while Santelli was running around shouting his idiocy Finicum, who likely believes much of the same, went there specifically intending to kill or be killed and had his whole child labor setup going on and was far more actively malicious and harmful. Grem posted:I think the one who kidnapped his kids back was Cooper. Ah, alright. The stories got confused for a while there. Also, nthing that Cooper still being uncaptured is a majorly bad thing; the guy wants the place to become a bloodbath and I hope he's captured and put away for a long time because holy crap he's actively trying to get the kids and others there killed now.
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My local news keeps reporting that the standoff came to a "violent end" tonight. It doesn't seem like this is over, unfortunately.
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STAC Goat posted:I'm with you. I've said all along that I want the cops to preserve life as rule #1 in this just as much as I do in any inner city or with any person of any color. Its sad that a life was lost and it should be scrutinized. But, you know. A month of "they'll never take me alive" makes an impact on your perspective. That's fine. I think we agree. Forced to put money on it, based on the protestors' rhetoric, I would wager that the police report is probably accurate. But I think most people here would approach this type of fatality with a healthy level of skepticism and I think it's only fair to extend it here, even if they were more likely to be aggravators.
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Volkerball posted:and a man who just surrendered claimed he'd fight to the death there. we don't know how any of these people are going to respond. Only way those kids get out alive is if somebody shoots Blaine in the back He's stone cold ready to murder The rest? probably not, it's important that some cowards don't flee so they can be there forcing Blaine to look inward as well Shakenbaker posted:Pete, to his credit, was actually really worried about the kids and actually went to the cops for help. That's when they arrested him. Pete had plenty of chances to help those kids and instead thought it'd be so wonderful to have them around as shields. He's as culpable as Blaine is
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Shakenbaker posted:Pete, to his credit, was actually really worried about the kids and actually went to the cops for help. That's when they arrested him. Man, gently caress him so loving much. I'm really torn here. On one hand I'm glad these fuckers are freaking out. That after a month of playing soldier they're faced with the actual reality of what they've been doing and it scares the poo poo out of them. They don't want to die or kill anyone, they're just scared and want the game to end. Which is good. I'm glad they're human. But MOTHERFUCKER YOU ASSHOLES CAUSED THIS! THIS IS YOUR loving FAULT! I HATE YOU AND I HOPE YOU loving ROT! Its really, really frustrating.
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Lotka Volterra posted:If these assholes are responsible for the deaths of children because they go full Koresh/Jonestown, I hope every one of them has the book thrown at them. blain might be nuts enough to do it. my guess is he will kill the kids if he even thinks the cops are coming.
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Shakenbaker posted:Pete, to his credit, was actually really worried about the kids and actually went to the cops for help. That's when they arrested him. As much as I want to say gently caress all the militia guys, good on him for at least giving some kind of a poo poo.
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Shakenbaker posted:Pete, to his credit, was actually really worried about the kids and actually went to the cops for help. That's when they arrested him. I guess he deserves slightly more credit than the people who are still holed up, but I read this as a rat getting off a sinking ship. How much of his stream did he devote to those children's safety prior to the arrests?
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Venom Snake posted:the white version of ISIS. You are an idiot.
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Turtle Sandbox posted:Yea, most PDs are filled with insane crazy people, around here they openly associate with the local biker gangs, and not the weekend dad ones. Citation needed.
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I've been in class since 7; what happened? Got a news update on my phone saying Mammon got arrested; how did that go down?
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Epic High Five posted:Only way those kids get out alive is if somebody shoots Blaine in the back I never thought I'd hope for something like that to happen, like not jokingly, actually hope, but here we are. Better, of course, would be if he wets himself at the first sight of a federal rifle and surrenders. But gently caress that rear end in a top hat.
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STAC Goat posted:Man, gently caress him so loving much. Am personally happy for them to live in peace separated and moved on from their ill-conceived militia cause. Except now with properly enforced financial ruin from the federal and state level everywhere they go. Also loss of 2nd amendment rights
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UIApplication posted:Someone is taking a poo poo on the stream Some guy in the room just ripped the nastiest fart.
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Epic High Five posted:Only way those kids get out alive is if somebody shoots Blaine in the back are you his psychiatrist? what blaine said is very easy to say.
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Epic High Five posted:Only way those kids get out alive is if somebody shoots Blaine in the back Yeah, as much as I don't want any loss of life part of me hopes one of these guys puts a bullet in the back of Cooper's head if it preserves all that innocent life.
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Felony child endangerment can net you up to 20 years in Oregon, so so I hope we're looking at some century-plus sentences once this is all over with.
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As per FBI, the wounded individual from the shootout has been released from the hospital and taken into custody. Also a release from OSP: quote:OFFICER INVOLVED SHOOTING INVESTIGATION UNDERWAY IN HARNEY COUNTY Dusty Baker 2 fucked around with this message at 05:17 on Jan 27, 2016 |
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Vahakyla posted:Citation needed. I live in a rural hellhole its p crazy out here.
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cravius posted:You are an idiot. they are endangering archaeological sites, stealing from locals, and threatening to kill anyone who stops them but lets not get to hasty with the terrorism label!!
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Kazak_Hstan posted:I guess he deserves slightly more credit than the people who are still holed up, but I read this as a rat getting off a sinking ship. How much of his stream did he devote to those children's safety prior to the arrests? I mean, yeah, if he was really worried about the kids he should have done something sooner.
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Thanks for linking this. I tune in just in time to get a massive militia fart.  Also these guys seem unable to understand why they were even arrested in the first place. Its unreal.
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