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I always thought there was no soul in 00. I figured the incident with Rei and 00 was due to 00 being a test type that isn't entirely on par with 01 and 02, with the freakout coming from it temporarily regaining some control and realising there was a foreign entity linked into its brain.
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Mindblast posted:I always thought there was no soul in 00. I figured the incident with Rei and 00 was due to 00 being a test type that isn't entirely on par with 01 and 02, with the freakout coming from it temporarily regaining some control and realising there was a foreign entity linked into its brain.
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It seems to deliberately attack the control centre twice and Ritsuko had reason to believe it was targeting her.
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Wouldnt be surprised if 00 saw Ritsuko and Gendo often overlook whatever the hell they were doing to it. poo poo I'd be pissed as gently caress if the same ants come torture/experiment on me for months and months. 
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ChairMaster posted:Well I mean if we really wanna get into it EoE makes it fairly clear that your soul isn't gone as soon as you die, as shown by all the people that end up included in instrumentality in the end even though they died about half an hour ago. Rei at the start, Rei at the finish. When was it NOT instrumentality?
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Foul Ole Ron posted:Rei at the start, Rei at the finish. When was it NOT instrumentality? Rei wouldn't be a party to human instrumentality any way, would she?
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bowmore posted:That's what I thought You need a soul in the Eva to make an AT field though. I think.
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Kytrarewn posted:Rei wouldn't be a party to human instrumentality any way, would she? She was in Shinji's form of it so why wouldnt she be. I have heard it said she was outside of it but is that Canon? Hell we have little clue as is what happens fully with instrumentality., all I known it is similar version to what happens if an angel were to join with Adam (but the Angel merging with Adam to create a new life form or something)but in EoE humans joined with their version of Adam which was a Lillith Adam fusion to become a single mega entity. And as far as I know that included all parties (Adam, Lillith, Rei and humanity included). Foul Ole Ron fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Jan 27, 2016 |
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Man, maybe I should watch EoE again as I basically understand nothing from the last twenty posts
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I've seen it at least 12 times and I'm struggling
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A number of years ago I authored a DVD of EoE using the Renewal R2 disks and the subs from the Manga release, which resulted in rewatching it something like ten times over the course of like 2 weeks. Weirdly never got too sick of doing so.
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Agronox posted:Man, maybe I should watch EoE again as I basically understand nothing from the last twenty posts I'd give it some time to sink in/out/whatever it does, I dunno. Not exactly an expert on EoE rewatching. Ask In Training.
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Sakurazuka posted:It seems to deliberately attack the control centre twice and Ritsuko had reason to believe it was targeting her. Remember that there's no distinction between Rei's soul and Lilith's, and also that (as per Asuka's mother) souls can be split, manifesting (at least in our sample size of one) as personality disorders in the split person. There's only one Rei, but her personal identity informed by memories and social relationships is progressively chipped away at and redefined as the series progresses. Your theory's totally consistent with that, even if there's no direct evidence in the way there is with Yui or Asuka' mother. Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Jan 27, 2016 |
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would just like to point out that these are the voice actors for the female leads
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Radio Spiricom posted:would just like to point out that these are the voice actors for the female leads I did not know that. Cool!
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Reminder that Rei's va also did Yui, unit 01 screaming, and pen pen
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Jostiband posted:I'd give it some time to sink in/out/whatever it does, I dunno. The first stage is : wtf just happend, followed by talking about it and reading it up online. The second stage: is where you start get an understanding (kinda) of whats happening with the plot. The third (impact)stage : you re watch episode 25-26 again and EoE (either seeing the episodes as a compliment to EoE or something else). You notice a switch of the sub-text becoming the fortext. The fourth (impact): you figure out what the subtext is saying. The final stage: You sit down and have a little think for a while and begin to take things into perspective. Life changes may ensue(quoting a friend as he described Evangelion to a non fan). Foul Ole Ron fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Jan 27, 2016 |
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Also something awful forums poster a cartoon duck!
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.jpg posted:Reminder that Rei's va also did Yui, unit 01 screaming, and pen pen And the radio show lady.
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i still haven't downloaded the bd rips so i don't know whether it includes this but here's the extended version of the live action sequence from end of eva for anyone who hasn't seen it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwBs3VsNfdY
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Radio Spiricom posted:i still haven't downloaded the bd rips so i don't know whether it includes this but here's the extended version of the live action sequence from end of eva for anyone who hasn't seen it definite must watch, although I can see why it was cut
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 , obviously.It still cracks me up that the insert booklet for S2 Works has Shinji's blood-covered hand on the front cover and his otherwise-covered hand on the back cover.
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can't make a story about an adolescent boy w/o blood tears and semen
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Radio Spiricom posted:i still haven't downloaded the bd rips so i don't know whether it includes this but here's the extended version of the live action sequence from end of eva for anyone who hasn't seen it required viewing
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Darley-Wilkinson posted:required viewing Wow. I had no idea this even existed.
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anyone who's interested should probably check out his first two live-action features (cutie honey is fine but it is by no means required viewing) they're both really good and i think a bit more direct about communicating his pet themes than eva because they don't obfuscate them. love & pop is a really interesting movie, it's ostensibly shot on sony handycams - i'm not actually sure what the acquisition format is but it was shot digital in 1998 so i presume consumer grade cameras close to that variety - which are placed in increasingly odd locations and endlessly shift perspective. like eva, it's another exploration of a highly interiorized experience of adolescence; it's about four high schoolers who practice compensated dating. sort of a bit like godard's vivre sa vie. shiki-jitsu is significantly more personal. it stars director shunji iwai as an ex-anime director trying to make a "real film" so that he can embrace reality, who falls for a woman who has developed obsessive-compulsive rituals to escape reality. it's a pretty straightforward melodramatic love story after that but it is again constantly shifting, this time between visual mediums. especially interesting is that it uses animation to explore the female character's interior psychology. also for consideration would be shunji iwai's all about lily chou chou which always struck me a bit like eva without the robots in terms of its emotional character. Radio Spiricom fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Jan 27, 2016 |
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a kitten posted:Wow. I had no idea this even existed. yeah i only found it a few years ago. i dunno if this is obvious, but that's anno's voice at the end
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Darley-Wilkinson posted:yeah i only found it a few years ago. i dunno if this is obvious, but that's anno's voice at the end Yeah, it's Anno speaking as Shinji. iirc Anno decided to scrap the extended sequence really early into post-production so Shinji's VA never recorded their lines, Anno just did a reading for the workprint.
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interview with Kazuya Tsurumaki (dir. EoE25, FLCL among other things) from the EoE program book in 97: -- Finally, do you have some message for the fans? KT - Don't drag the past around. Find the next thing that interests you. -- Does that mean not becoming fixated on "Evangelion"? KT - Yes. It's always better to let something that has finished end. So, we watchin the rebuilds??
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Radio Spiricom posted:also for consideration would be shunji iwai's all about lily chou chou which always struck me a bit like eva without the robots in terms of its emotional character. this looks really interesting, I'm gonna check it out. dude was great in ritual
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mr. stefan posted:Yeah, it's Anno speaking as Shinji. iirc Anno decided to scrap the extended sequence really early into post-production so Shinji's VA never recorded their lines, Anno just did a reading for the workprint. oh, i totally didn't realize- i thought anno was making a deliberate point by explicitly inserting himself
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all about lily chou chou was too over the top depressing for me
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Zas posted:
Yes! A man after my own heart.
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even before rebuild eva was drowning in spinoffs, so lol on that guy
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Zas posted:interview with Kazuya Tsurumaki (dir. EoE25, FLCL among other things) from the EoE program book in 97: I just finished rewatching all three yesterday and yeah honestly they're okay but oh boy are they ever superfluous.
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I like 3 a lot, and I like the way it directly addresses the Tsurumaki quote
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Zas posted:So, we watchin the rebuilds?? If you like, but as others have said, they're not really required viewing. The first is pretty well a straight up remake of the first 6 episodes, and although it does differ later in some interesting ways, it's... I don't know. NGE the TV series and EoE the movie are products of Anno entirely; he started to make a giant robot show and into that he poured himself- all he loved, all he hated, all of the issues he was going through at the time, and what resulted was something wholly remarkable. The Rebuilds, while ostensibly the the same story with the same themes, was made when Anno was is a completely different place in his life, and is thus a different story. Is it a better or worse story? That's kind of an "apples and oranges" argument, and I don't really like judging a series that is incomplete (aren't there supposed to be one or two future ones?), but...it creates an interesting dichotomy between original flavor NGE and the Rebuilds in which they are both too different and not different enough to be an effective exercise in comparison. So, I probably won't be joining in if we do tackle the Rebuilds.
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