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Geostomp posted:It's official, this is the best quote for summarizing this entire pathetic "movement". A bunch of grown men and women with delusions of grandeur playing pretend army over imagined slights like overgrown children. I hope that jail is especially hard on all of them. I hope the acrimony that they face is pitiless, and they have to face their families they have let down, and after a period of making face growing up children internalise the humiliation and resent their fathers/mothers involved and live diametrically different lives in federal government jobs
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Crain posted:So what's going on now? I think the FBI is supposed to have some announcement either in a few minutes or an hour from now (I am not good at time zones).
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Crain posted:So what's going on now? FBI has set siege to the refuge and are waiting out the last 5-6 crazies remaining. By all accounts all the women and children and the (comparatively) reasonable men got the gently caress out when they heard 150 FBI vehicles were en route.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Did you really just post your own fictional version of what could have happened and then accused someone else of pretending? hahahahahah sure buddy, keep on going, you were clearly right everytime you used the word "Waco" sarcastically they're doing somethign with a backhoe on stream, while a crazy person yells at us: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72MJLxSTiGM&hd=1
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Where's the cutoff point for incitement?quote:In response to the arrests, Operation Mutual Defense, a network of militias, issued a call for groups to support those remaining at the refuge, The Oregonian reported.
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Look, I won't rain on anyone's parade but imo, I credit the move more than the wait, and still don't think it needed to last that long. Move goalposts all you want.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Yeah those people who wanted the fbi to do something about it, throw up roadblocks and tell everyone to get the gently caress out sure look foolish now that the fbi did something, threw up roadblocks and told everyone to get the gently caress out. not nearly as foolish as you do sitting here still trying to argue that you were right all along. edit: gently caress this thread is moving fast
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Prester Jane posted:That only worked because they got virtually all the leadership in one swoop. If leadership had been at the refuge when the FBI moved in things would have gone very differently. As it stands leadership did attack the first chance they got, so passively waiting turned out to be the best strategy. From reports on the stream it seems like the town was on lock down while poo poo was going down and that there have been a number of people that have tried to get into the refuge as reinforcements. While I can certainly agree with this perspective, and while I'm happy things played out the way they have, "waiting for your enemy to be complete dumbasses and expose themselves" is generally a poor strategy outside of videogames. I mean it totally worked, and the 'only' cost was a community terrorized for a month and some property damage, but it could have also gone the way of "bundy bunch shoots locals" just as easily.
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fade5 posted:Same, I'm glad the FBI had a great plan after all. And I'll be happy if I'm just worrying about nothing and the rest of the guys surrender either peacefully or after getting flash-banged/tazed/etc. About the same here really. Though a lot of my frustration was due to the way things went at the Bundy ranch; had these guys not gotten off with nothing in the past, the FBI's seeming to do nothing wouldn't have been quite so worrisome to me. Probably still somewhat frustrating, but without the precedent not nearly as bad.
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What are they doing? Scorched earth tactics to deny archaeological sites to the bolshevik feds?
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Look, I won't rain on anyone's parade but imo, I credit the move more than the wait, and still don't think it needed to last that long. Your smug insistence that the FBI was a doing nothing and b incompetent was proven to be foolish, why are you doubling down?
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theflyingorc posted:hahahahahah sure buddy, keep on going, you were clearly right everytime you used the word "Waco" sarcastically Its pretty telling that you're so enthused about winning the thread or something. I said move on them, this isn't waco. They moved, its not waco. Spin it however you need.
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I'm glad the FBI ended these bad men who make a mockery of the real injustices in America.
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Nonsense posted:I'm glad the FBI ended these bad men who make a mockery of the real injustices in America. This is what really gets me.
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Are you seriously trying to say that waiting for the militia to put nearly all their leaders in a couple of unprotected cars and drive them off the refuge had no effect on their success?
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Roland Jones posted:About the same here really. Though a lot of my frustration was due to the way things went at the Bundy ranch; had these guys not gotten off with nothing in the past, the FBI's seeming to do nothing wouldn't have been quite so worrisome to me. Probably still somewhat frustrating, but without the precedent not nearly as bad. OAquinas posted:While I can certainly agree with this perspective, and while I'm happy things played out the way they have, "waiting for your enemy to be complete dumbasses and expose themselves" is generally a poor strategy outside of videogames. 
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theflyingorc posted:hahahahahah sure buddy, keep on going, you were clearly right everytime you used the word "Waco" sarcastically lol scroll back to the start of that video: Dude who comes over saying "The media has been told to leave THAT MEANS THEYRE KILLING ALL OF US" has a Ruger Mini-14 or Mini-thirty rifle. Someone last night mentioned how these guys skimp on all of their gear but the gun. This dude bought an overpriced M-14 variant and probably put a cheap NC-Star or BSA scope on top.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Its pretty telling that you're so enthused about winning the thread or something. oh no, i'm glad to be vindicated, i guess that's a moral failing of mine My point of view has been, at all times, "don't raid the compound full of people". Never more, never less. I specifically avoided taking a stance on the "blockade" issue because while my instincts said "yeah siege 'em", I assumed that the FBI knew what they were doing more than I, an internet poster, do. And then the FBI did a really good job, what a surprise!
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A very important detail of all this is the most major charge being used against them is the impeding a government agent with the threat of force. It needs to be hammered into their chickenshit souls that the people they're trying to antagonize so they can have their idiotic "patriot" LARP are real people and threatening them with violence is no different than any other terrorism. I hope they get the full six years plus more charges.
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Jarmak posted:not nearly as foolish as you do sitting here still trying to argue that you were right all along. I encourage anyone and everyone to read my, jarmak and flyingorcs post history in here and see exactly who did exactly that and when. I laid out my position minutes before it went down.
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TheMadMilkman posted:My personal thought is that the FBI chose to ignore this at first, thinking that it would blow over in a few days and people would go home. Then they could issue warrants at their leisure and arrest them all at home. Yeah, I'm of the agreement the FBI probably goofed up the first few days. Like the rest of the internet, they didn't take the idiots seriously and as has been mentioned their funding regarding domestic (white) terrorists has been slashed and the crazies in congress have likely been making some quiet noises about what happens when they threaten (white) men. After that the situation snowballed and the FBI was stuck either going in for Waco II: the Wacining, or they had to wait it out to see if something could come up. Despite the frustration it caused with everyone, I'm so glad they chose option 2: to wait for the perfect chance because the end result is so goddamned hilarious. As a side note, what's happened overnight for those who had to sleep? Who all's left and who all's still squatting in the refuge? Also, didn't a local sheriff or someone else promise a press meeting about this hour?
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Look, I won't rain on anyone's parade but imo, I credit the move more than the wait, and still don't think it needed to last that long. The appearance of doing nothing put the militia into a false sense of security. I would argue the militia having a false sense of security in their position made it quite a bit easier to shock and awe them and take 90% of the leadership alive. The previous time Bundy met with the FBI to negotiate a surrender (when he stormed out after finding out the media wasn't allowed in) people were screaming that they should of nabbed him then, but then Tarpman/ Ryan Bundy / Cavalier / Payne / snacks guy would of still been at the refuge and been able to rally the hicks in a way that would lead to a lot more bloodshed. I count myself as one of the other goons grabbing my plate of crow because the snatch really couldn't have been played any better.
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RightwingAmerica.mp4  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72MJLxSTiGM&t=109s
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Al! posted:Your smug insistence that the FBI was a doing nothing and b incompetent was proven to be foolish, why are you doubling down? Find my actual position and get back to me.
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As a Millennial I posted:Current live stream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-2gUXrzV6U Are they trying to build fortifications or something?
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Intel&Sebastian posted:Look, I won't rain on anyone's parade but imo, I credit the move more than the wait, and still don't think it needed to last that long. They could have done this on day 1 and crushed it before the real crazy people and the kids showed up, not saying it wasn't a good move to pick them up but waiting this long needlessly complicated things for the feds by adding women and children into the mix and letting other groups like the 3%ers to provide aid. I think the FBI just made it harder for themselves by waiting.
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Crain posted:Now it's this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72MJLxSTiGM 3:15 also has the fat guy saying the line: We're at civil war now, if any LEOs don't join with us/the american people KILL THEM. These are the people PJ was talking about waiting in the wings.
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Geostomp posted:It's official, this is the best quote for summarizing this entire pathetic "movement". A bunch of grown men and women with delusions of grandeur playing pretend army over imagined slights like overgrown children. I hope that jail is especially hard on all of them. I can't understand their mindset either. Like, does anyone know the names of the people involved in the shot hear round the world in 1775? Maybe some people who research the American Revolution will know but other than that people have no idea. These guys see themselves as nameless figures who themselves won't be remembered, but the incident would. Maybe. God they're so loving dumb it's painful. Grem posted:Um, so this guy's account is pretty plausible, but I have no idea how true it could possibly be. Somehow I doubt he's the ONLY one who got released from the arrests last night. Facebook Idiot posted:"He said she said taking pieces here and pieces there and from what I witnessed I don't know" Those are your words not mine.. awful lot of hearsay in your presentation. You got to be a stand up guy to have even been in that crew. I wouldn't question that... and we are very thankful you weren't injured. Even if he did charge them he had every right. They're the aggressors. Goddamn the spin in that video's comments. 
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As a Millennial I posted:Are you seriously trying to say that waiting for the militia to put nearly all their leaders in a couple of unprotected cars and drive them off the refuge had no effect on their success? Not at all, the wait and the action are all part of what happened. If they wouldve attended that meeting and drove back with no contact, who do you think would have cried foul in here based on previous posts? I think the wait is definitely justified, I think how much credit it deserves and how effective it was aren't as clear cut as some people in here think, but it was a good move. If you can find where I honestly asked for anything more aggressive than a traffic stop and arrests off the refuge then by all means I was wrong and suck.
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