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A plant being that spins out of control, knocking foes off their feet! Tree Sponges are either cakewalks or nightmares depending on your party composition. Physical damage dealers are basically right out until you can either Blind/Panic the thing or binds its arms. We saw Spin Drive a few updates ago--even now, it'd still kill the entire party. The key thing with Tree Sponges is that purely elemental damage (composite types WILL trigger Spin Drive) does not make Tree Sponges go berserk. Their normal attacks hurt, yeah, but far less than Spin Drive does. Also note that it nullifies stun, so Supreme Bolt is basically only a fast-acting attack here. I have Colette and Jackie (not pictured) defend until I reach a point where I'm confident that the Tree Sponge will die before getting Spin Drive off.  And I rev up the bulldozer. Stardust'll help too. If Ranger is a bulldozer, then Milly is some kinda aftermarket mod that replaces the bulldozer's engine and wheels with those of a racecar. (I presume that's how cars and industrial vehicles work.) Back row party members using Defend take effectively 25% damage compared to normal. And already, Ranger's dealt just shy of 600 damage to the thing. Prepping for the Murder Turn™. Stardust'll deal some damage in the meantime. Because Ranger wasn't quite ridiculous enough already. Consider that Stardust has a maxed-out Compression + War Song (60% effect) + a decently-leveled Inferno Formula + Analysis, and you begin to see why I consider Ranger's damage absurd. This is gonna be fun. I have Ranger use Meteor Smash instead of Fire Wave since he'd run out of TP for the second one after casting the first--if you run out of TP to cast an action during Accelerate, you just waste a turn. And that's no fun. ~1000 damage from Fire Wave. Meteor Smash does set off Spin Drive, but the Tree Sponge will die before it can use it. For those of you keeping track at home, why yes, Ranger DID deal nearly 3700 damage in one turn, why do you ask? And Supreme Bolt's basically-priority action speed modifier lets Jackie snipe the Tree Sponge before it can act. Imagine me repeating this same fight two more times. I also remember that pretty much the entire party has skill points I didn't invest while grinding. I maxed out Ailing Slash on Colette, since I feel she can now eat the TP cost increase, and put 3 points in War Lore Mastery, which unlocked Warmight and Rockskin (buffs I don't care about since Milly and Rheine exist), and Artery, which gives the entire party a buff that restores their HP after acting for a set amount of turns. It's a very, very good buff, and one that I'll get to at least level 5 before going for Barrier. I level up Fire Wave to level 7 on Ranger. Leveled up Cocytus Formula to 9 and Inferno Formula to 4 on Stardust. Another point in Fire Prelude. Oh yeah, I leveled that up a lot during the grinding. I'm not entirely confident that Jackie can handle Charged Ice's TP cost increase from 20 to 25 at max level, so I have her put a point in Charged Fire instead. Offscreen: I swapped out the Tree Sponge Exterminators for the normal party before turning the quest in. Axcelas are pretty drat good consumables. When given to a character, they restore that character's Force by around 10 or 15 if they are not a) in the Force Boost state or b) have had their Force gauge broken. I put one point in Link Order and another in Link Order II for Rheine. Pretty much everyone gained one level from me using the Yggdrasil Clover Tea to grind. Delayed Charge is now maxed out, and does max damage after 4 turns, along with generally doing much more damage. I'll be going for more Cross Charge levels after this. Overheal can now boost someone's max HP a little more, and gives extra bonus heal. Maxing out Cocytus Formula would bump its TP cost up to a whopping 50 TP, so I just get more Inferno Formula levels for now. I put 2 points into Blinding Curse so Sophie has a way to disable enemies (as much as Blind disables, anyway) semi-reliably. Let's get this out of the way so we can get to the strata I actually really like. The Chop point on 10F gives Oni Chestnuts for its ingredient.  Actaeon HP: 398, STR: 27, VIT: 18 Skills:
A wild deer with intricate horns. Do not get overrun! I really hate these things. Blast Horn is powerful enough to one-shot most front liners and either kill or severely damage whoever gets hit in the back row. Powerful Rage is basically irrelevant, since it basically means the Actaeon wastes a turn while you use all-target skills to end the battle quickly.  Rattle Nozuchi HP: 224, STR: 15, VIT: 13 Skills:
A long-tailed reptile creature so rare that a frozen specimen is worth a lot to collectors. Thought Actaeons already hit hard? Corrosive Aura makes it even worse. That's pretty much all Rattle Nozuchis do, though. Bear in mind, that's just the Actaeon's normal attack. Rheine really should not be in the front row, but still. Oh, COME ON. The thing's blinded and has its head bound! How the gently caress did it hit her?! The Rattle Nozuchi died without much of a fight. My point still stands though: Actaeons can seriously screw you up. SYSTEM: However, you believe you are familiar by now with each monster's behavior. One wanders the passages and the other breathes fire... You may be able to use this to your advantage to find a way through. If you can imagine your course clearly, then there is no need to hesitate. Go forth and put your plan into action. You ever wonder what happens when a Tree Sponge walks into a Baby Salamander's fire? That. That's what happens. SYSTEM: You congratulate yourself on finding the most efficient means of proceeding! You may continue to use that flame to your advantage from here on, or decide it is not necessary and take another route. Rheine got a level up from a boring random encounter. I put the skill point into Link Order. Same thing in the next room, except with a lot more empty space. The timing's slightly harder on this one since the Tree Sponge isn't just patrolling the possible fire path. You have to walk into the Baby Salamander's vision when the Tree Sponge is one tile away from the fire path. Easy.  Sauroposeidon HP: 831, STR: 25, VIT: 19 Skills:
Though generally an herbivore, this creature has a long neck it can use to harm intruders. I hope you have some Blast Grenades or can kill the Sauroposeidon in 1 turn or so, otherwise enjoy having an either mostly or entirely dead party! Head Pierce's instant death proc is always fun. Secret passage here. With a worthless Grimoire. Risk Perception gives your party a passive chance to negate a blindside, but its chance is low enough at the Grimoire's level where it's just a waste of a slot. SYSTEM: The figure standing silently before you is an old man with a gun in each hand. SYSTEM: The old marksman's voice is deep and cold. SYSTEM: The marksman's words are shot through with spite... SYSTEM: The old man responds with a mocking laugh. Fun fact: the original EO2 had an umlaut over the u in Der Freischütz, but I guess Atlus USA didn't feel like doing that for EO2U. Wilhelm's title (which is his only name in the Japanese script) is a reference to Carl Maria von Weber's opera "Der Freischütz", or "The Marksman". Having never seen the opera, I can't tell you much about it, but this isn't the last reference EO2U makes to it. Extra fun fact: Wilhelm's guns have names, although they're only given in the artbooks. The black-barreled one is named "Selena," while the gold one is "Traumerei." I don't know if there's any significance to these at all, but feel free to let me know if there is. SYSTEM: Though your blood is boiling, you realize the futility in fighting fellow explorers. You sheathe your weapons, refusing to fight the old Gunner. But as you cast about for what to do next... You hear a voice call out behind you. SYSTEM: The voice coming from behind you is that of a young woman. You turn to face her. SYSTEM: Seeing her face makes you realize that this young woman is the same one you met at the Geomagnetic Pole on the 6th floor! SYSTEM: She flashes a glare at the old marksman and to your surprise, his menacing demeanor softens. SYSTEM: The woman gives a knowing smile to the old man before looking at you once more with dawning recognition. SYSTEM: She adopts a curious expression as her eyes meet the floor. If you would like to ask her something, now may be the time. Esbat apparently refers to some kind of Wiccan celebration of full moon, with the name being derived from Old French. I guess Wiccan stuff kind of meshes with the woman being a War Magus, but I don't see what it has to do with Wilhelm. SYSTEM: You find this hard to believe, but the old marksman has said nothing since the woman arrived. You finally nod to show that you're willing to let the matter drop. The woman continues. SYSTEM: Artelinde waves goodbye to you, as if impatient for you to leave. SYSTEM: It seems that you have no choice but to return to Lagaard and visit the Duke's Palace. I mean, realistically, the entire guild is at a level where we could take on Flame Demon and win with a decent party composition. Next time: we finish 10F and prepare to fight the Flame Demon. Rea fucked around with this message at 21:43 on Jan 28, 2016 |
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Update 17: Basically Filler This'll be a very short update. We only have around half of 10F to explore.    SYSTEM: The woman speaks in her typical casual manner before handing you a medicine bottle.  Hard to say no to free Amritas. SYSTEM: Having said that much, the woman turns her gaze from you and leaves, the elderly gunner still at her side. You see them off and collect yourselves before returning to your search for the monster to be slain.          Just wanted to show that I got the Rattle Nozuchi's conditional after forgetting about it last update.   I don't know why the room is so big, to be honest.   In Story mode, Artelinde and Wilhelm introduce themselves to you in this small room, as well as offer you free full HP/TP restoration. Purestrain Storyism, if you ask me.   Now this is a room where it's easy to find yourself in a bad situation. There's Baby Salamanders in two corner of the room, a Fire Drake patrolling the middle, and four damage tiles on each side of the Fire Drake's patrol path.   This is honestly the best way I can think of to get out of the room unscathed: walk along the Fire Drake's patrol path until you can sneak out of its view (or come into it) as you walk on the side of the room that has the door.   Try not to waste too much time when walking in this room, since the Fire Drake can catch up to you unexpectedly. I've game overed to the Fire Drake in here a few times in older runs!   Oh god. This is an encounter formation that can kill quite a few party members very quickly.    Alchemists and Sovereigns make for very good partners thanks to Link Order.  The Actaeon died without much of a fight.   The Take point on 10F gives Small Soybeans for ingredients.     This is going straight into the garbage.     There's thankfully some damage tiles right near the upper door. I let the Attack Cactus limp away for 2 or 3 steps, then bolt for the bottom part of the room.   It's hard to see from here, but that Fire Drake is standing on top of a LOT of damage tiles. It's kind of difficult to move out of its line of sight when it's basically taking a step for every step you take.   For reference, there's all the damage tiles the Fire Drake had at its disposal.   We're in the home stretch. Just some corridors and rooms with no FOEs in them left.   SYSTEM: The tree trunk before you is forked in two, and a shining liquid spills over the center. You came all this way... You may as well see what happens if you drink the liquid. SYSTEM: You each scoop the liquid in your hands and swallow some. It's faintly sweet to the tongue, and relieves your exhaustion.  SYSTEM: The liquid begins to slowly pool again. There should be enough for all of you once more by tomorrow. I don't think we'll really be coming back to this spot since it's so far into the floor, but still. Atlus being generous for once.   Last gathering point of the 2nd Stratum. It gives Root Chili for its ingredient.   The last corridors and rooms of the 2nd Stratum have some really nasty encounters you can run into. There's even a few with two Actaeons!   The shortcut here, in combination with the one near the stairs, makes for an easy path to the end of the floor. If you're playing along, always be on the lookout for shortcuts!   There's another locked door in this last room. It's the last one in the game, although we won't be getting the key until the 4th Stratum.   SYSTEM: Beyond it, you feel something markedly different from any ordinary monster... If you feel fully prepared, then open the door and meet your fate! Fair warning: entering that door will immediately start the fight with Flame Demon. It's not like Chimaera where the game gives you a chance to go back to town after seeing it.    A few unlocks before we fight Flame Demon.
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Flame Demon pre-fight overview Flame Demon HP: 8790, STR: 26, VIT: 24 Skills:
The demonic protector of the Auburn Thicket, who summons a dark inferno to ward off trespassers.  Flame Cube HP: 580, STR: 0, VIT: 22 Skills:
A gelatinous creature summoned by demons to detonate near enemies. Dispatch these swiftly! Battle pattern:
(Note: If Flame Demon is stunned on the turn she's supposed to use Kingly Fire, she will keep trying to use it until it's succesful.) Flame Demon is the first of many "all-or-nothing" bosses, as I call them, in EO2U. An all-or-nothing boss has either a set pattern, like Flame Demon here, or has something very close to it. They also may have summons, also like Flame Demon. Generally, all-or-nothing are bosses you either just completely steamroll due to being equipped to deal with their patterns with no issue, or get roadblocked by because:
So, here's the long and short of it: Flame Demon, like I said above, is either absurdly easy or a complete nightmare--this comes down not just to your general party composition, but what specific classes you have. If you have an overly defensive party that lacks an easy way to kill the Flame Cubes, Flame Demon will destroy you. If you have an overly offensive party that has plenty of ways to kill the Flame Cubes...Flame Demon will STILL destroy you, since you now lack methods to deal with her normal attacks and Kingly Fire itself. Bursting her down simply isn't an option without relying on really heavy cheese involving Grimoires of a higher level than you should have by this point, and a LOT of RNG. You have to build a party that can eat Flame Demon's attacks, easily deal with the Flame Cubes, and can still kill Flame Demon before you run out of TP. As for skills: Madness Roar basically means you need either Prevent Order, or put Owl Earrings on all of your classes (or just your Medic, if that's what you're using). It's going to Panic either most or all of your party otherwise. Terror's Embrace doesn't deal a ton of damage, especially through Front Guard. The Fear can seriously screw up your plans if your Protector or Beast gets hit with it, but otherwise just keep some Therica Bs or a row-target Refresh ready. Kingly Fire is basically the crux of the fight. On its own, it already hurts, and is something you borderline need either Fire Wall or Fire Mists for. However, it is also what sets off Explosion, and if even one of those goes off, it's probably game over for you! Even Fire Wall won't help you, since that only procs once per character. Inferno Strike is a free turn if you have a Protector or Fire Mists. Otherwise, it hits pretty hard, but the higher chance of hitting the back row means Flame Demon'll be eating the back row damage penalty for it. Dispersed Cruelty really sucks if you don't have any way to purge it with a buff. It cuts your party's damage by somewhere from 30 to 50%. Also, no, I am not going for the conditional drop. It's basically impossible without some really heavy cheese. With that in mind, let's go over party members: Damage dealers:  >>> Defense (this is really important) <<< Support Let's try something different with the votes, shall we? Four votes per person--however, each person must vote for one character from each category, along with one extra character from whatever category. (Any votes for my choice mean that I am subject to these rules when choosing, as well.) Flame Demon is a boss where your party composition is extremely important (well, moreso than usual), and I'm trying to reduce the likelihood I get something like "4 supports and Ranger." Even Ranger wouldn't help if I got stuck with something like that. Rea fucked around with this message at 09:29 on Jan 27, 2016 |
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With how many characters you have, that's a pretty good idea for voting, honestly. Three just isn't cutting it, especially when you need a balanced party. Let's go with Freyja, Phoebe, Sophie, and Stardust
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Frigid Slash is normally really nice to have for dealing with the cubes, but ronin have so many skills they want it's hard to have it at a decent level unless you're building for flame demon. I'll say Stardust, Phoebe, Milly, Ranger. Is Compression not making Frigid Slash single target might have to do with it being ice/slash, or is it just that skill? I never had an alchemist to get Palm grimoires off so I never checked other skills myself.
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Tyty posted:Is Compression not making Frigid Slash single target might have to do with it being ice/slash, or is it just that skill? I never had an alchemist to get Palm grimoires off so I never checked other skills myself. I don't think there's any other all-target innately-composite damage attacks, so yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if the bug at least has something to do with that. I don't think Compression has any weird interaction with composite damage types created by Palm skills, though.
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Stardust, Phoebe, Milly, Zack This is where the less good parts of EO2U start showing themselves.
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The boss fights in this game are really awful. For some reason they decided to give the bosses the EO post-game superboss treatment, where they have a very elaborate attack pattern that can completely brick wall certain parties if you do not have very specific skills to deal with their attacks. That worked about as well as you would expect. And if you do know their attack pattern, the bosses are insultingly easy. Not really much middle ground there. (Except in Story where that just grants you survival. Boss fights are really painful there.  )Jackie, Colette, Ursa, Milly. Tyty posted:Frigid Slash is normally really nice to have for dealing with the cubes, but ronin have so many skills they want it's hard to have it at a decent level unless you're building for flame demon. I think the Compression bug affects AOE physicals in general.
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I've ranted extensively about Flame Demon in particular in the megathread (especially how hard she can block SCCs) so I'll spare you guys the rehash, but 
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Let's go with... Asriel, Phoebe, Nadia, and Freyja Shed some spotlight on characters who haven't got a ton of play
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Ragnar Homsar posted:
Ragnar Homsar posted:Let's try something different with the votes, shall we? Four votes per person--however, each person must vote for one character from each category, along with one extra character from whatever category. (Any votes for my choice mean that I am subject to these rules when choosing, as well.) Flame Demon is a boss where your party composition is extremely important (well, moreso than usual), and I'm trying to reduce the likelihood I get something like "4 supports and Ranger." Even Ranger wouldn't help if I got stuck with something like that.  Freyja, Ursa, Sophie, Rheine Supremezero fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Jan 27, 2016 |
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Scrap Dragon posted:Let's go with... Asriel, Phoebe, Nadia, and Freyja I wasn't going to vote but I agree with this so I'll just back this vote.
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Supremezero posted:Awesome, time to make Ragnar fight Flame Demon without any defe- in any other EO game this could be workable, in eo2u it is literally "have antifire or die" outside of ridiculous cheese tactics that require lv20 skills
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Hivac posted:in any other EO game this could be workable, in eo2u it is literally "have antifire or die" outside of ridiculous cheese tactics that require lv20 skills
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theshim posted:Well, no, it isn't, but it's way too goddamn close. I can't remember if you're talking about 5gunners or not
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Hivac posted:I can't remember if you're talking about 5gunners or not 5gunners, 5survivalists was probably possible, but I forget if he actually got it done, 5goddamnmedics...
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Ragnar Homsar posted:
Wrong music there chief, should probably be The First Campaign instead of the first stratum theme. Mixing up two firsts is pretty understandable though. Freyja Sophie Colette Ursa Status ailments, binds, and skills that work better with those are fun. Though Ursa instead of Nadia, to respect the voting rules. I like Ursa over Phoebe because disabling kingly fire with the above status effects/binds feels more interesting/risky/tension-inducing than just launching antifire on the exact right turn every time. Rawkking fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Jan 27, 2016 |
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Scrap Dragon posted:Let's go with... Asriel, Phoebe, Nadia, and Freyja Yes. This please.
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Supremezero posted:5gunners, 5survivalists was probably possible, but I forget if he actually got it done, 5goddamnmedics...
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Rawkking posted:Wrong music there chief, should probably be The First Campaign instead of the first stratum theme. Mixing up two firsts is pretty understandable though. Whoops. That's fixed now. Supremezero posted:5goddamnmedics... I was the one who did that!  It worked because Medics have higher VIT than you'd expect out of back line supports, and very high TEC, so elementals don't do a ton to them and physical attacks do less than you'd expect. Combine that with alternating between two back liners using Overheal and 3 front liners dealing around 3000% damage a turn with Vital Hit and you end up with a surprisingly good team....Until the postgame, where you start needing either a Protector or Beast due to big-damage nukes being thrown around. Current vote results are: quote:Freyja: 11
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Yeah, it turns out that Vital Hit is actually kinda batshit if you can sustain Overheals  I guess I should vote, huh? Howzabout Phoebe, Sophie, Milly and Stardust.
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Rawkking posted:Status ailments, binds, and skills that work better with those are fun. Though Ursa instead of Nadia, to respect the voting rules. I like Ursa over Phoebe because disabling kingly fire with the above status effects/binds feels more interesting/risky/tension-inducing than just launching antifire on the exact right turn every time. Unfortunately, that's not really a reliable strategy. Flame Demon doesn't resist leg binds, but that only works once before becoming really risky. You'd either need multiple status effects (heavily dependent on party composition, and you might not have enough skill points to get all those at a decent level) or stall out the 10 turns so the accumulative resistance can wear off. I really wish they didn't make it so that stuns only push back the turn Flame Demon tries to cast Kingly Fire on. What's the purpose of that? The new Force system nerfed The Gunner's Force Break enough. All that does is restrict your options for dealing with the fight. (For the record, there is nothing stopping you from farming up multiple Fire Wall Grimoires and using those to deal with the Kingly Fire turns, other than RNG.)
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Since it seems like everyone who wanted to vote has, the final results are:quote:Freyja: 11 Yes. Yes this will do. This will do very nicely. (I did a test recording with that party earlier. 5 turn victory. I wonder if I can get it lower? )
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Ragnar Homsar posted:Since it seems like everyone who wanted to vote has, the final results are: If you do some grimoire shuffling to maximize turn economy it's very possible
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I am sad to report that I only managed a 5 turn victory again. It would've been 4 but one of Flame Demon's binds fell off on the Crusade turn. Oh well, given that I have basically no useful Grimoires on at all I think that's pretty decent! Update either late tonight or tomorrow.
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It's weird how the name's changed from Hellion to the subname instead.
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RareAcumen posted:It's weird how the name's changed from Hellion to the subname instead. Flame Demon was actually her name in the Japanese version of EO2. However, the first 2 EO games we got had character limitations, and were limited to 8 letters per skill and enemy. Hellion was the replacement they came up with for the English version. Of course now they aren't restricted by that, so they're putting the original names back in.
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Update 18: Five-Turn Firefight Meet the Flame Demon party. Freyja and Sophie are the stars this time around, as they can both work together to set up incredibly high damage output with Ecstasy. Stardust is here for backup elemental damage, and Milly will make Ecstasy dish out even higher damage. Phoebe'll also render most of the Flame Demon's attacks either negligible or completely irrelevant.      Here's everyone's active skills. I kind of wish Freyja had one more level of Ecstasy, but oh well.      SYSTEM: Within it, you find osmething large and squat looming there.  SYSTEM: Now quell your fears, draw your weapons, and slay the demon!  VIDEO: Boss: Flame Demon   From the Flame Demon pre-fight overview: quote:
Flame Demon basically comes down to: can you quickly kill the Flame Cubes? If so, great! If not, screw you, enjoy your nightmare fight. Thankfully, Stardust is a very effective Cube killer, so we don't have to worry much about that. 8790 HP is a lot to chew through, but Freyja, Milly, and Sophie will make it go by very quickly.  Phoebe has nothing to do on this first turn.  Flame Demon's weak to arm binds, so I'll have Freyja take care of that since the whip skills' bind chances and Freyja's LUC means she has a lower chance of inflicting binds than Sophie.  Stardust has opened basically opened every big fight so far with Compression, and this fight is no exception.  Milly'll basically open every fight with Warrior Song for the rest of the game.  Binding Flame Demon's head is basically a necessity, since I'll get hosed over by Madness Roar otherwise.     Hee hee hee! Okay, that's one body part down.   Two down! Ohhhh, this is gonna be fun.   Toooooo bad!  Phoebe still has her starting Dagger equipped, and Protectors have bad STR.  Flame Demon's arm bind will render her normal attack already basically-harmless, and Front Guard will make it laughable.  Let the fun begin, heh heh. Remember that Trance doubles damage to enemies with binds or ailments.  Stardust will do what she does best.  Milly doesn't really need to use War Song, per se, but it'll lengthen Compression's duration. I have her cast Fire Prelude on Freyja to boost her damage even further.  Let's go for the mythical 3-binds-at-once.    Eeeeeahahaha! Behold, Ecstasy! Consider that Flame Demon only has two binds currently, and Ecstasy is only level 9.    Aw.   It's nice...but it's not Ecstasy.   Gonna need more than that, Flame Demon.    Stardust had Fire Prelude cast on her this turn, for comparison to her earlier Cocytus Formula.  Aw, come on, the arm bind seriously fell off? I wanted to show off the 3-bind damage!   Alright, let's just end the fight then. No point in dragging it out.  Why not?  Freyja has dealt around 4400 damage, by the way. That's just a little short of half of Flame Demon's HP.  I'm just hitting all the perfect dice rolls today.  Flame Demon's damage was already bad, but Crusade's just kicking her while she's down.     This was utterly extraneous, since Flame Demon's legs are still bound.  See?   You have no idea how cathartic that fight was for me. Flame Demon took me around 12 tries or so on my first run, and I'm still salty about that.  SYSTEM: It is deceased beyond a doubt. No longer will it rise to terrorize High Lagaard's explorers! You have succeeded in defeating the Flame Demon which nests in the scarlet forest! You consider briefly returning to town in order to report your feat to the Grand Duchy. Though the unknown floors that lie ahead are tempting as well...      Living in central California, which is largely just barely above sea level, I've never had a snow day in my normal life, so I'm something of a sucker for snow environments in video games. I really like the Frozen Ground's visual design, and its music is pretty great too.         We'll tackle that once we actually reach 12F. For now, here's Dubois's 11F dialogue.  Onto Hanna and Quona.  Moving over to Abigail.   Let's check in on Regina, too.  I've only just gotten all the ingredients of the 2nd Stratum, so let's get cracking at cooking.  Fanged Sandwich is made with 1 Vine Head (Fanged Vine) and 4 Stiff Leg Meats (Giant Moa), and slightly raises the amount of materials you get from gathering points. It's 100% outclassed by the Yggdrasil Bud Tea.  Autumn Pot-au-feu is made with 4 Scarlet Yams (Auburn Thicket Mine) and 3 Boar Thighs (Raging Boar), and it builds Force every few steps you take in the Labyrinth. It does nothing if someone's Force is broken. Absolute trash.  Persimmon Pudding is made with 3 Red Persimmons (Auburn Thicket Chop), 2 Liquid Red Gels (Red Gel), and 2 Dragon Fruits (Attack Cactus), and slightly raises the rate at which you encounter rare breeds. That's probably the least efficient way of using food to help with grinding.  Gibier Curry Rice is made with 3 Deer Shoulders (Actaeon), 3 Scarlet Yams (Auburn Thicket Mine), and 1 Root Chili (Auburn Thicket Mine). It increases the entire party's max HP by 50%, and it's incredibly useful, especially with a team that's already very durable.  Odd Ishiyaki Pot is made with 1 Strange Stone (Odd Statue), and 4 Stiff Leg Meats (Giant Moa), and turns Bravants and Stonards into row-target instead of single-target. Meh.  Boar Tonjiru is made with 4 Boar Thighs (Raging Boar) and 3 Leeks (Auburn Thicket Take). It adds an Ice element to your entire party's attacks for 1 turn, and it's as useless as the last elemental attack food was.  Chestnut Chakin Shibori is made with 4 Oni Chestnuts (Auburn Thicket Chop) and 4 Scarlet Yams (Auburn Thicket Mine). It slightly increases the chance of getting Active Grimoire Chances. Yawn.  Autumn Dango is made with 2 Liquid Red Gels (Red Gel), 2 Small Soybeans (Auburn Thicket Take), and 2 Dragon Fruits (Attack Cactus). It triples the damage enemies take from Curse, which is useful for the handful of enemies that have conditionals tied to dying to Curse damage.  Mala Inferno Pot is made with 2 Fire Heartwoods (Tree Sponge), 5 Deer Shoulders (Actaeon), and 1 Root Chili (Auburn Thicket Mine). It reduces the damage your party takes from status ailments--this halves the damage taken from Poison and Curse, and cuts the TP lost from Fear in half.  Sweet and Sour Moa is made with 4 Stiff Leg Meats (Giant Moa) and 2 Leeks (Auburn Thicket Take), and blocks all ailments thrown at your party for 3 turns after the start of a fight. Very useful for quite a few boss fights if you don't have a Sovereign or high-level War Magus.  Chestnut Moon Cake is made with 2 Oni Chestnuts (Auburn Thicket Chop), 4 Small Soybeans (Auburn Thicket Take), and 2 Scarlet Yams (Auburn Thicket Mine), and greatly increases the entire party's resistance to leg binds. There's a few bosses that seriously screw you over with leg binds, so this can be useful.  Dragon Jelly is made with 2 Dragon Fruits (Attack Cactus) and 3 Red Persimmons (Auburn Thicket Chop), and greatly increases the entire party's resistance to Paralysis. See my note above.   I also made some town improvements, since it's been a long while since the last time.  New advertising campaign, too.  With that out of the way, let's chat up Marion.  And last on the Talk list, Cass.  Lotta bar patrons this time around. Adventurers in matching gear: We'll see Snow Ghosts once we start going into the stratum. Fidgeting hunter: Another hint about conditionals. We get it for free this time. Bizarrely-dressed merchant: One-eyed gunner: Conversations like these always seemed off to me. It just doesn't really mesh well with what exploring's like from the player's perspective. Kinda reminds me of Almaz's death in Disgaea 3 and the sudden serious tone every character took--just doesn't really match the rest of the game's tone, y'know? Boy with a stick:  The 11F quests. The bottom one is another Ginnungagap quest. Next, The iron-walled garrison: Lastly, A culinary crusade:   Oh, hello there, free recipe book. It'll be a while before we can cook every recipe in Western Food 3. So taking on The iron-walled garrison triggers this when we walk into Sitoth next:       We now have two of the five chess pieces.  Ice Wall now costs 14 TP instead of 16.  I max out Ecstasy since the TP increase was only 6, and Freyja probably won't be casting it too often anyway.  Minor boost to Inferno Formula.  Putting more points into Fire Prelude.  And lastly, maxing out Blinding Curse. Rea fucked around with this message at 03:31 on Jun 13, 2016 |
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With a new Stratum comes the time for voting on a new party. 4 votes per person. I won't impose category limits like I did for Flame Demon, but please try to avoid giving me a really unworkable party. Rea fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Jan 28, 2016 |
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Jan 28, 2016 19:06
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Asriel, Nadia, Ursa, and Jackie Haven't seen these people in a while, so why not?
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Jan 28, 2016 19:36
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Freyja, Ursa, Sophie, Ragnar's choice
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Jan 28, 2016 19:40
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I applaud your dunking skill.Ragnar Homsar posted:Living in central California, which is largely just barely above sea level, I've never had a snow day in my normal life, so I'm something of a sucker for snow environments in video games. I really like the Frozen Ground's visual design, and its music is pretty great too.  Grew up in LA, we had to drive a few hours to see snow. These days I'm trapped in the hellhole known as New York. please send help Oddly, I like the original DS version more than the arrange for the stratum theme, but it's still really good either way.Gonna say Zack, Asriel, Jackie and Ranger
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Jan 28, 2016 20:00
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Ursa, Asriel, Collete, Jackie
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Jan 28, 2016 20:21
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Ursa, Zack, Collete, Ranger
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Jan 28, 2016 20:29
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We had Girl Team take care of the Demon, so it's only logical to let the guys do stuff now. Asriel, Zack, Tyler, Ranger.
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