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KillHour posted:Yeah, but he's a kid and you said this is entry level. People learn good judgment over time. You kind of sound like a dick. People learn good judgement by learning from their mistakes. Also I think it's a safe assumption to think that if the guy needs to stay up all night to make an early interview, he's going to have trouble making it to work on time.
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Docjowles posted:Do any chat clients not work like that? We use HipChat and you just upload smilies to a central server and everyone in your organization can see/use them. We use Lync/Skype for Business and as far as I know, there's no way which is a drat shame.
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Dross posted:You say "kid" but how old was this guy actually? 26 I believe. Kid isn't the right term, but it felt like something an 18 year old would do, not someone 4 years out of college. KillHour posted:Yeah, but he's a kid and you said this is entry level. People learn good judgment over time. You kind of sound like a dick. I'm tough during interviews, definitely jaded, no doubt and probably even a dick when it comes to hiring. Its not my job to help someone learn basic "I should get a good night's sleep and be ready for this job" skills. I've spent the majority of my IT career dealing with hiring/firing people at one level or another and I've never been 'pleasantly surprised' at someone turning their poo poo around if you give them a chance when they do stupid poo poo in their interview.
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unclenutzzy posted:People learn good judgement by learning from their mistakes. Also I think it's a safe assumption to think that if the guy needs to stay up all night to make an early interview, he's going to have trouble making it to work on time. I'm not saying he should have hired the guy. I'm saying he shouldn't have gone straight to "I didn't waste anyone else's time." It says a lot about his management style. Also the "good cop bad cop" thing. If someone did that to me in an interview, I would have walked out. DigitalMocking posted:26 I believe. Kid isn't the right term, but it felt like something an 18 year old would do, not someone 4 years out of college. I hope you're never in charge of hiring someone who isn't easily replaceable.
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H110Hawk posted:Ugh, hiring nearly entry level sucks. Its that time again when I open the floodgates for what I would call a pretty premium littel-above-entry level job. See above. I'm not the hiring manager but I know this position is open and work extremely closely with this team. I just sort of winged the description. You will be on our infrastructure team. Sky is the limit if you are clever and learn quickly. Also hiring Sr. Network Engineer. Qualifications are to know your poo poo.
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H110Hawk posted:See above. I'm not the hiring manager but I know this position is open and work extremely closely with this team. I just sort of winged the description. You will be on our infrastructure team. Sky is the limit if you are clever and learn quickly. Yeah, Hi, welcome to the Working in IT thread. While we ARE currently discussing interviews / placements / etc, this isn't the place to beg goons to join your team. Job posting thread is a thataway. Also, your original post says "Hiring sucks, I open the floodgates" and then recant with "I'm not the hiring manager but I work closely with this team". You're kind of bad at posting guy. There, am I a worse rear end in a top hat than DigitalMocking so you can let off his nuts? I have no problem with him not contacting a tweaker kid that couldn't google "How to prepare for an interview" for 5 minutes the day before. Research and preparation is a huge part of IT.
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Judge Schnoopy posted:Yeah, Hi, welcome to the Working in IT thread. While we ARE currently discussing interviews / placements / etc, this isn't the place to beg goons to join your team. Job posting thread is a thataway. Uh, I think he just copied Sickening's post from a few pages back and edited it slightly to fit his posting. And I think you might have him mistaken for KillHour. I am also confused now.
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Jan 27, 2016 19:23
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Know your poo poo about what technologies specifically? Just CCNP-Switching level IP networking knowledge? At the senior level, you probably want someone with experience with your specific hardware / topology.Japanese Dating Sim posted:Uh, I think he just copied Sickening's post from a few pages back and edited it slightly to fit his posting. And I think you might have him mistaken for KillHour. I am also confused now. You and me both. DigitalMocking posted:. I came off a bit harsh, having just come from the other end of the table (and I have an interview tonight I'm super worried about). Just be careful about how you come off to potential employees. The best candidates know what they're worth and won't want to work for someone they think is a dick. KillHour fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Jan 27, 2016 |
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H110Hawk posted:See above. I'm not the hiring manager but I know this position is open and work extremely closely with this team. I just sort of winged the description. You will be on our infrastructure team. Sky is the limit if you are clever and learn quickly. Thanks for confusing everyone.
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Sickening posted:Thanks for confusing everyone. I was wondering what happened to your avatar
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Jan 27, 2016 19:31
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Japanese Dating Sim posted:Uh, I think he just copied Sickening's post from a few pages back and edited it slightly to fit his posting. And I think you might have him mistaken for KillHour. I am also confused now. Woah, wait.. loving what?? I know Sickening is DFW and this job is CA, but sure as poo poo it's just a copy/paste job with small detail changes. And I do know the difference between KillHour and that Hawk guy, I was just adding to the discussion instead of doing a complete derail just to call that guy out on his bad posting.
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Jan 27, 2016 19:33
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I am bad at posting. How will I ever go on in life.
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H110Hawk posted:I am bad at posting. How will I ever go on in life. Some days I worry that I am bad at posting.  Then I remember that the only people reading my posts are goons, and my worry goes away.
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FireSight posted:Some days I worry that I am bad at posting. Accept how bad you are at posting. It doesn't stop anyone else. Case in point, this post.
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Jan 27, 2016 20:01
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Jan 27, 2016 20:38
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In the span of two months, five out of our eight person IT team have quit or been let go. I think the writing's on the wall.
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Collateral Damage posted:In the span of two months, five out of our eight person IT team have quit or been let go. I think the writing's on the wall. Promotions and raises all around for the remaining 3?
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Jan 27, 2016 20:58
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Look at this comedian
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I like my job. I would also would hire someone who has a degree from ITT because I don't particularly care where you picked up your job skills or whether it was a poor financial decision if you can do the work. One of my buddies is a senior voice engineer at a consulting company and his degree is from ITT. He makes very good money and does good work.
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NippleFloss posted:I like my job. The place where you spent your money matters to some people.  It does make me scratch my head when people really care this much about it. Paying too much for a subpar education is way more of a problem that just ITT tech and the like. There are plenty of private and state schools that will load you up with soul crushing debt for a dated technical education. Somehow they get a pass because :reasons:. Sickening fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Jan 27, 2016 |
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Sickening posted:The place where you spent your money matters to some people. "It's a scam and people that fall for it are dumb. I don't want to hire dumb people." is the usual excuse. I really don't care either way.
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I think we can all agree that college is a terrible idea and SCHOOL SUX. I'm gonna stay up late eating ice cream and not listen to my mommy too!!!!!
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KillHour posted:"It's a scam and people that fall for it are dumb. I don't want to hire dumb people." is the usual excuse. I really don't care either way. People who make questionable decisions in one area of life make poor decisions in all areas of life. That's why I don't hire people who've been divorced. If a guy can't know if he wants to spend his life with someone how can he know how to deploy BGP? And man, don't even get me started on people who took out an adjustable rate mortgage!? Those losers could never handle deploying a VM from template in MY environment. They just don't have the smarts for it.
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Lmbo if you didn't go to a specific school because you were brainwashed from birth to go to there. Thanks and gig em
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I think a technical school degree from itt tech or some other paper mill would have been better for me than my worthless party school diploma.
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I circular DeVry candidates because by and large my experience with them has been atrocious. If they have "equivalent experience" as well on the resume I might phone screen. This as someone who never went to college.
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H110Hawk posted:I circular DeVry candidates because by and large my experience with them has been atrocious. If they have "equivalent experience" as well on the resume I might phone screen. This as someone who never went to college. DeVry, ITT, Phoenix for the most part get round filed unless they have some kind of secondary experience or tech related volunteer/hobby work for infrastructure positions, I don't have any experience in how good/bad those colleges are for development folk.
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Ask me about demonstrating redundant power supplies by unplugging one of the two power cords. The remaining power cord was plugged into an inactive wall jack.
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Methanar posted:Ask me about demonstrating redundant power supplies by unplugging one of the two power cords. The remaining power cord was plugged into an inactive wall jack. Congratulations, you just demonstrated the need for electricians at the same time!
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Methanar posted:Ask me about demonstrating redundant power supplies by unplugging one of the two power cords. The remaining power cord was plugged into an inactive wall jack. Yeah, don't ever "demonstrate" redundancy without a downtime window.
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Methanar posted:Ask me about demonstrating redundant power supplies by unplugging one of the two power cords. The remaining power cord was plugged into an inactive wall jack.
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Internet Explorer posted:Yeah, don't ever "demonstrate" redundancy without a downtime window. Thankfully it was harmless, just a bit embarrassing.
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Dross posted:So what critical infrastructure component do you have plugged into the wall and not a UPS? Better than plugging both into the same UPS 
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KillHour posted:Better than plugging both into the same UPS Not if the wall outlet is dead.
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We get around this by only putting one power supply in ~99% of our equipment.
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I have a skype interview in 45 minutes for a job that pays well over double what I'm making now and is in my industry. I'm nervous as gently caress.
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Don't drink 5 red bull and take a nap or whatever  Edit: good  to you
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