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Regarde Aduck posted:Ah I can explain. Corbyn is the cat's name but the cat has swapped places via the cat techno virus toxoplasma gondii. Do you want Britain ran by a leftist cat? A literal pussy? Stop this nonsense. Las Meowvinas Son Argentinas
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His cat speaks Spanish and will only answer to "El Gato" too. Is Jeremy Corbyn's cat an Argentinian Spy? Or an illegal Immigrant?
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Regarde Aduck posted:Is Corbyn a cat or dog person? Need to write my blog about how he is either possessed by the cat parasitic techno-virus or prefers submissive mewling creatures who won't fight back against his idiotic whims. Of course he's a cat person. Because he has Correct Thought.
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Pork Pie Hat posted:The Mail, fearlessly asking the big questions of the day: Exactly. Ic24 is the company who do it round our way, Porkpie, and they had no clinician and cancelled the ambulance when my brother died. We just got the 'lessons learned' spiel, and they sacked the call taker. Ironically, this happened the day the baby with sepsis was born.
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Fans posted:His cat speaks Spanish and will only answer to "El Gato" too. 
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Fans posted:His cat speaks Spanish and will only answer to "El Gato" too. General Gato-ieri.
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I liked the part in the official report into that case where it said "although none of the doctors actually said it, it is likely they were reluctant to prescribe antibiotics because of national advice". Antimicrobial resistance really isn't worth undermining based on conjecture on the potential opinions of out of hours gps who didn't have access to clinical records. Namtab fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Jan 27, 2016 |
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Trickjaw posted:Exactly. Ic24 is the company who do it round our way, Porkpie, and they had no clinician and cancelled the ambulance when my brother died. We just got the 'lessons learned' spiel, and they sacked the call taker. Ironically, this happened the day the baby with sepsis was born. gently caress me that's grim, I'm sorry to hear they were so poo poo at an awful time. You'd think there'd be more of a fuss made in the media about the whole thing, not just the Mail trying to stick the boot into the NHS.
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Pork Pie Hat posted:The Mail, fearlessly asking the big questions of the day: In all the cases mentioned there the kids all saw doctors and 2 of them are from before 111 existed as they quoted nhs direct. Trickjaw posted:Exactly. Ic24 is the company who do it round our way, Porkpie, and they had no clinician and cancelled the ambulance when my brother died. We just got the 'lessons learned' spiel, and they sacked the call taker. Ironically, this happened the day the baby with sepsis was born. IC24 are really terrible. Namtab posted:I liked the part in the official report into that case where it said "although none of the doctors actually said it, it is likely they were reluctant to prescribe antibiotics because of national advice". The OOH gps should have access to the clinical records if the patient/'s guardian has agreed for them to be shared. FairyNuff fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Jan 27, 2016 |
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It'll be something to do with access to whatever IT system they have in the patient's area. I'd certainly guess that the doctors at 111 are on a different system. The out of hours doctors may not have smartcards..... The nhs is a loving mess of different clinical record systems that don't/can't share information. Where I work we're on one system, the mainstream services are a different trust so they use another version of that system that we can't see, the county next to us is on a completely different system..... IT in the nhs is a joke and will remain a joke until a government manages to procure a national system every hcp can tap into. Namtab fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Jan 27, 2016 |
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Namtab posted:It'll be something to do with access to whatever IT system they have in the patient's area. I'd certainly guess that the doctors at 111 are on a different system. The out of hours doctors may not have smartcards..... Agree completely. I don't have much experience with the systems/records for other areas but here all the in hours and oohs use one system and the ooh gps definitely have their smartcards.
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All 3 UKIPs in the House of Lords were conservative whej they got there but later defected. It's quite a coincidence.
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the NHS IT fiasco cost me my old job at Fujitsu and even though that ended 7 years ago gently caress me am I still bitter about it
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I don't think it alarmist to say this is just the beginning of the sharp decline of the NHS. E: No, its not the start, is it? Trickjaw fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Jan 27, 2016 |
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The start was when they made nursing degree entry only, if not before
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Murdoch has laid into Cameron on twitter over the Google deal. I know we won't get any pro-Corbyn press out of this but hopefully we'll get a few anti-Cameron headlines out of it.
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:Murdoch has laid into Cameron on twitter over the Google deal. I know we won't get any pro-Corbyn press out of this but hopefully we'll get a few anti-Cameron headlines out of it.
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Zephro posted:This is literally only because he hates Google for stealing all the advertising dollars and for aggregating his content. It's got nothing to do with disliking tax avoidance and everything to do with wanting a business rival to get a kicking Best you can hope for with our media is the right thing being done by accident/for the wrong reasons.
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Not sure that this is a particularly good use of £3bn: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/035457c6-c50b-11e5-b3b1-7b2481276e45.html#axzz3yTk9Y6Xwquote:David Cameron will fly to Aberdeen on Thursday to announce an emergency package to prop up the North Sea oil industry, including the first stage of a multibillion infrastructure investment for the city.
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So how much of the massive profits the companies made when oil was over 100$ were blown on dividends instead of keeping some back for exactly this sort of thing?
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New Statesman talks to some terrible shits about the future of the Labour Partyquote:Meanwhile, they should abandon all the guff about bringing the party together, finding common ground, praising “Jeremy” as a nice guy...If the PLP cannot depose him – and it now looks as if it can’t, for if it was to force a new leadership election, he would have the right to stand and would probably win – then its best option is to undermine his leadership at Westminster so completely that he has no alternative but to stand down...The far left would kick and scream. Fine. They might tear up their membership cards. Even better. The Labour Party, and the still-powerful Labour brand, would be back in safe hands. quote:If two-thirds of the PLP join up, it could become the official opposition, receive the several million pounds’ Short money and dethrone Corbyn from the front bench in the Commons. It would not be necessary to call a national leadership election, but the real leadership would go to where the power lies – within the PLP, as it used to be. I especially like quote:You have only to reel off the names of the most obvious members of such a shadow cabinet – Yvette Cooper, Chuka Umunna, Tristram Hunt, Andy Burnham, Liz Kendall, Rachel Reeves, Emma Reynolds, Michael Dugher, Dan Jarvis, Hilary Benn, Keir Starmer, Chris Leslie, Caroline Flint and the Eagle sisters, for a start – to see how much more powerful and impressive a team it would be than Corbyn’s shadows. quote:There are many among the new elites who have recently joined the Labour Party who are salivating at the prospect of a party, after all these years, finally proposing a platform of pacifism, republicanism, anti-capitalism, anti-Western rhetoric, as well as hostility to the media. quote:understand the disillusion of the thousands who, in frustration with Corbyn, are abandoning their Labour membership and commitment: this is the tragic, unseen story behind the surge of his twitterati and middle class left-wing support. The hard lessons of the 2015 election have seemingly been ignored: the clear views of Labour supporters and one time supporters count for very little.
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Another misstep by Osborne, and its made Cameron look bad at PMQs. There's only so many times you can blame the previous Labour government, especially when you're in your second term (the Lib Dems were fairly weak partners in the coalition). Nor does it work well when the leader is Corbyn. The tories have spent so much time and effort on declaring Corbyn a radical that it's clear he's not going to be in line with what the previous Labour government did. The Corbyn lot need to push hard on this, and talk about previous sweetheart deals, or where ex-HMRC staff (and Labour and Tory ministers) have ended up joining various accountancy firms. Raise the profile of 'collusion' and revolving door between policy forming and policy abusing. Sure, it'll make some of the Blairites look bad, but most of them won't be MPs any more, and that's one way of politically neutering the few that are.
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The middle class is important until they're not and then only the working class are important. I guess Blarites and particularly tedious leftists can agree on some things. Next week: Won't anyone think of the squeezedmiddle!?!?!?!?
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They're really trying to push that Corbyn supporters are middle class while the people leaving are the working class, which seems to be the opposite of everything that has come out about the new members.Regarde Aduck posted:The middle class is important until they're not and then only the working class are important. I guess Blarites and particularly tedious leftists can agree on some things. Next week: Won't anyone think of the squeezedmiddle!?!?!?!? Remember "we need to appeal to the middle class Waitrose shopper if we want to win 2020"? I guess that's out the window now.
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Random Integer posted:New Statesman talks to some terrible shits about the future of the Labour Party The bit titled "MPs must undermine their leader" that this quote quote:Then Labour could have a new leadership contest, in which MPs ensure that nobody with Corbyn’s views receives enough nominations to become a candidate. The far left would kick and scream. Fine. They might tear up their membership cards. Even better. The Labour Party, and the still-powerful Labour brand, would be back in safe hands. came from was written by quote:Peter Kellner is a former political editor of the New Statesman and is now the president of YouGov, the polling company. He writes here in a personal capacity 
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Gonzo McFee posted:They're really trying to push that Corbyn supporters are middle class while the people leaving are the working class, which seems to be the opposite of everything that has come out about the new members.
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Random Integer posted:New Statesman talks to some terrible shits about the future of the Labour Party So the dude straight up admits Corbyn would win a leadership election - i.e. that the Labour Party as a whole as opposed to the PLP want the guy - and just doesn't care, the PLP should chuck him out anyway? Does he not understand what democracy is?
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Guavanaut posted:Or the elites. All those anti-capitalist anti-monarchist anti-war anti-media elites. It's the pro business capitalist monarchist that are the true underdogs in today's society.
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You'd think the head of a polling company would try to appear impartial in public just so as to not put off any potential clients, or make people worry about subconscious survey bias. It just seems like bad business.quote:You have only to reel off the names of the most obvious members of such a shadow cabinet – Yvette Cooper, Chuka Umunna, Tristram Hunt, Andy Burnham, Liz Kendall, Rachel Reeves, Emma Reynolds, Michael Dugher, Dan Jarvis, Hilary Benn, Keir Starmer, Chris Leslie, Caroline Flint and the Eagle sisters, for a start – to see how much more powerful and impressive a team it would be than Corbyn’s shadows. This bit made me chuckle. Hardly Robin Cook or Gordon Brown are they?
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That really is a stunning collection of all the people who hosed it in 2015.
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feedmegin posted:So the dude straight up admits Corbyn would win a leadership election - i.e. that the Labour Party as a whole as opposed to the PLP want the guy - and just doesn't care, the PLP should chuck him out anyway? Does he not understand what democracy is? Liberalism.txt Democracy isn't for the lower orders; it's a sacred treasure to be enjoyed and wielded (responsibly of course) only by those of superior intelligence and consciousness. The riffraff cannot be trusted with this responsibility, being feckless and fickle. They'd ruin it. Or at the very least leave grubby hand-prints all over it.
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I do enjoy mentioning to people that 100 years ago, not only did no women at all have the vote, but men aged over 21 had to own property valued at £10 or more, or pay rent of at least £10 a year, to qualify for a vote; and only 60% of the eligible male population qualified. (A large slice of the rest was living in a wet, muddy hole somewhere in France at the time.) Oh, and property qualifications didn't entirely disappear until 1928. Democracy!
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Namtab posted:IT in the nhs is a joke and will remain a joke until a government manages to procure a national system every hcp can tap into. Sounds anticompetitive imo. Which reminds me, Guavanaut, did you hear about grant shapps pushing for Openreach (the fibre rollout wing of BT) to be sold off because it's not going very fast? Reading about it off the back of the piece you posted the other day about the death of British fibre had me halfway between laughing and crying. It's all so loving stupid and nobody ever learns.
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Renaissance Robot posted:It's all so loving stupid and nobody ever learns. this ought to be our national motto
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Namtab posted:IT in the nhs is a joke and will remain a joke until a government manages to procure a national system every hcp can tap into. Nah, that sounds like some kind of inefficient government bureaucratic thing. A shitload of private contractors all working on their own systems is obviously better because Free Market Competition.
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Trin Tragula posted:Oh, and property qualifications didn't entirely disappear until 1928. Democracy! Renaissance Robot posted:Which reminds me, Guavanaut, did you hear about grant shapps pushing for Openreach (the fibre rollout wing of BT) to be sold off because it's not going very fast? And they could have sold the absolute fortune of copper they have buried to China to fund it, whereas when that does eventually get dug up it'll probably go to dividends. XMNN posted:this ought to be our national motto Or something.
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So if anyone is interested you can watch the first John McDonnell sponsored lecture on economics here. It's pretty long, and quite interesting if quite highbrow. It makes some very good points about how public investment is an essential part of underpinning private enterprise, especially in the fields of R&D and high tech industry. How if left to their own devices private investors have nowhere near the patience to go for the type of ventures that really develop an economy, and how the government needs to be countercyclic to the rest of the system. Certainly it's not yet boiled down to a message that can easily be delivered to the public, but it lays out the bones of how Labour plans to win back confidence on the economy. And that's by FINALLY arguing that everything the Tories say is bullshit.
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jabby posted:and how the government needs to be countercyclic to the rest of the system. About loving time. I know I only believe this to be obvious because I've already learned it, but it's really not that difficult to grasp that if everybody runs to the same side of the boat at once, it's only going to take a few cycles for the whole thing to capsize.
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Namtab posted:It'll be something to do with access to whatever IT system they have in the patient's area. I'd certainly guess that the doctors at 111 are on a different system. The out of hours doctors may not have smartcards..... Didn't they try and do this a couple years, maybe even a decade ago and hosed it up so badly they 'had to' sell it off to private contractors? A few of my friends work in the clinical records department at Poole Hospital and they're in the middle of digitising and moving over to a fully computerised system which was meant to take 6 months. They're currently on month 14 and the end isn't even in sight.
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