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Ytlaya posted:To be fair, actual physical beings would also find it impossible to suck up literally anything into an infinite pocket dimension, but Shizuru's Blinky is still Conjuration. That due to powers added to it. She conjurers an extra dimensional space within her vacuum. Knov also has Conjuration in a not normally applied way.
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Jan 28, 2016 01:58
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What's to keep Knov from dropping you into one of his rooms and just leaving you trapped there for eternity? At first I thought he had to touch you first or something, but there were scenes where it looked like he was making ants drop in from a distance. And even if he does have to touch you, that's still ridiculously useful. I bet the Phantom Troupe would let Knov join them.
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Jan 28, 2016 02:11
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I'm going to Conjure my personal fanfic that clarifies the differences between each nen type, Enhance it with my goonish obsession, use Emission to throw it at everyone in this thread to Manipulate their memories and Transform them into the correct (my) opinions. I'm a Specialist so I can do this.
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Jan 28, 2016 02:17
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:I'm going to Conjure my personal fanfic that clarifies the differences between each nen type, Enhance it with my goonish obsession, use Emission to throw it at everyone in this thread to Manipulate their memories and Transform them into the correct (my) opinions. Be sure to link it back here from ff.net too
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Jan 28, 2016 02:27
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Ytlaya posted:What's to keep Knov from dropping you into one of his rooms and just leaving you trapped there for eternity? At first I thought he had to touch you first or something, but there were scenes where it looked like he was making ants drop in from a distance. And even if he does have to touch you, that's still ridiculously useful. Knov has to touch the spots were the portals can show up. With the ants he put trap portals on the ground to draw them in.
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Jan 28, 2016 02:28
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Is that site even around. Don't people post their stuff on Tumblr now. I don't keep up with fan communities.
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Yeah, Knov set traps for the ants. Though his other ability, Scream, was interesting; I wonder what there was to it. It seems like it could be extremely powerful, but we don't really know that much about it, unless I'm forgetting something.
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Roland Jones posted:Yeah, Knov set traps for the ants. Though his other ability, Scream, was interesting; I wonder what there was to it. It seems like it could be extremely powerful, but we don't really know that much about it, unless I'm forgetting something. Theoretically, if he could open his portal and close it to instantly slice anything, then it could be a dangerous killing skill and the Melon + Knov combo could be devastating. More realistically, Knov probably can't close the portal on something vastly stronger than him. You try slamming a door into Mereum's face and see how much damage you do to him.
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:Is that site even around. Tumblr is for gifs. Yeah, ff.net lives and changed not much since then.
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:Theoretically, if he could open his portal and close it to instantly slice anything, then it could be a dangerous killing skill and the Melon + Knov combo could be devastating. I don't think there's ever a time where someone can just flex their bigger Nen to break the abilities of someone else.
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:Is that site even around. ff.net has always had a terrible reputation. You'd only go there if you're desperate.
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:Is that site even around. yes they do that's for the best
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Eej posted:I don't think there's ever a time where someone can just flex their bigger Nen to break the abilities of someone else. Nah, I don't mean it in a Bleach-style "your THKO sure-kill ability doesn't work on me because I am vastly more powerful" type of way but more that an attack like Scream wouldn't be able to cleave through something as physically powerful as Meruem or the Royal Guard without some sort of restriction or condition. Meruem and the Royal Guard are levels beyond your average strong Chimera Ant. You could gather all the Captains and they probably couldn't put a dent in a single Royal Guard.
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:You could gather all the Captains and they probably couldn't put a dent in a single Royal Guard. Ehh, Kenpachi should be about even with that sword guy. 
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Silver2195 posted:Ehh, Kenpachi should be about even with that sword guy. Heh heh heh. I somehow forgot that Squad Zero were called the Royal Guard. Touche.
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Ytlaya posted:To be fair, actual physical beings would also find it impossible to suck up literally anything into an infinite pocket dimension, but Shizuru's Blinky is still Conjuration. She specifically conjures a 'vacuum cleaner with the power to infinitely suck up things' because with conjuration you can do that poo poo. However she can't alter Blinky's size or anything else after it's been conjured unlike Razor's devils where he can increase/decrease the amount of aura in them to change their properties.
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Zeno's Dragon stuff is Emission, right? Despite the guy himself being a Transmuter like Killua?
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Apparently only Dragon Dive uses Emission? I guess it's because the one he used to fight Chrollo was connected to him the entire time. Then again I can see Zeno just going 'hmmm, I'll transmute my aura to have the properties of a loving dragon' and call it a day
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HerraS posted:She specifically conjures a 'vacuum cleaner with the power to infinitely suck up things' because with conjuration you can do that poo poo. However she can't alter Blinky's size or anything else after it's been conjured unlike Razor's devils where he can increase/decrease the amount of aura in them to change their properties. Anything thats not "alive" with whatever definition she uses of alive.
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HerraS posted:Apparently only Dragon Dive uses Emission? I guess it's because the one he used to fight Chrollo was connected to him the entire time. Dragon Dive is an off-type technique that isn't a perfect match for his specialization. It's just that he's so strong it doesn't matter unless he's fighting opponents as powerful as he is.
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Kild posted:Anything thats not "alive" with whatever definition she uses of alive. Yeah, it was kind of bullshit that she could suck up Pike's blood like that. Last I checked, cells are living things.
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Ytlaya posted:Yeah, it was kind of bullshit that she could suck up Pike's blood like that. Last I checked, cells are living things. it would be the same effect if she only sucked out the plasma, just less dramatic
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Serious Frolicking posted:it would be the same effect if she only sucked out the plasma, just less dramatic Erythrocytes lack nuclei as well, so depending on your definition of "living" (containing genetic information/capable of reproduction) they could also easily be sucked out, leading to loss of the vast majority of blood volume between the two). Really though, Shizuku is the boss, so she can do whatever she wants, as far as I'm concerned.
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It's her own personal opinion on what's living, not some arbitrary universal law.
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Arkeus posted:Morel manipulates his Pipe to do a special smoke, and then he manipulates the smoke. The smoke actually exists and is not just a shape of nen. There is quite literally a scene where he emits a nen orb in front of him and puffs out smoke around it and changes the shape before sending them to scout the city. He then talks about how he sent aura out when he gets stuck in Cheetus zone and he can't risk losing what he emitted permanently. At some point you just gotta admit you're wrong about how emission works when there are multiple scenes demonstrating why you're wrong man. Ytlaya posted:Yeah, it was kind of bullshit that she could suck up Pike's blood like that. Last I checked, cells are living things. Asuron fucked around with this message at 08:06 on Jan 29, 2016 |
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Ytlaya posted:What's to keep Knov from dropping you into one of his rooms and just leaving you trapped there for eternity? At first I thought he had to touch you first or something, but there were scenes where it looked like he was making ants drop in from a distance. And even if he does have to touch you, that's still ridiculously useful. From how is ability is described, it seems like there are always doors in the rooms, so if there's no one else inside they could just leave. They wouldn't necessarily end up in the same place, but otherwise they'd be fine. ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:Nah, I don't mean it in a Bleach-style "your THKO sure-kill ability doesn't work on me because I am vastly more powerful" type of way but more that an attack like Scream wouldn't be able to cleave through something as physically powerful as Meruem or the Royal Guard without some sort of restriction or condition. Most of their strength comes from their aura which they have to be consciously using, so if he got a sneak attack off it'd probably work. I don't think they'd be able to just straight up block it because how do you block space. They could easily dodge it though, I'm sure. HerraS posted:Apparently only Dragon Dive uses Emission? I guess it's because the one he used to fight Chrollo was connected to him the entire time. I think how it works is he transmutes his aura into various shapes (the dragon, those weird orb things) and then uses emission to send them away from himself. Since Emission isn't the primary type of Nen being used here it's still quite strong.
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Genocyber posted:I think how it works is he transmutes his aura into various shapes (the dragon, those weird orb things) and then uses emission to send them away from himself. Since Emission isn't the primary type of Nen being used here it's still quite strong. I think shaping your aura like that is either covered by emission or isn't a part of any category. Transmutation adds or changes the properties of Nen aura (e.g. by making it behave like it's elastic), but not its shape.
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Jo Joestar posted:I think shaping your aura like that is either covered by emission or isn't a part of any category. Transmutation adds or changes the properties of Nen aura (e.g. by making it behave like it's elastic), but not its shape. The basic training exercise for transmutation was changing its shape into numbers though. I thought that was pretty obvious. Changing the properties is simply a more advanced form of it.
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Zeno's non-Dragon Dive attacks almost definitely don't use Emission, since Emission is separating your aura from your body. Like, the dragon attack he used on Chrollo in Yorknew, probably pure Transmutation. Dragon Dive is the exception in his techniques, not the norm.
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Roland Jones posted:Zeno's non-Dragon Dive attacks almost definitely don't use Emission, since Emission is separating your aura from your body. Like, the dragon attack he used on Chrollo in Yorknew, probably pure Transmutation. Dragon Dive is the exception in his techniques, not the norm. The orb attack he uses involves launching the orbs away from his body so
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Genocyber posted:The orb attack he uses involves launching the orbs away from his body so "Orb attack"? Are you talking about Silva? Zeno's the grandfather, all his Nen has been dragon-based if I recall correctly.
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Roland Jones posted:"Orb attack"? Are you talking about Silva? Zeno's the grandfather, all his Nen has been dragon-based if I recall correctly. This is correct. The Orb attack was Silva's All of Zeno's abilities were Dragon based.
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Well, all of his abilities we've seen. I'm sure he can do a bunch of stuff what with being older than sin but younger than Netero.
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Can you imagine how fun it would be to sit down for a beer with a young Zeno? I mean, all we see of him really is the stoic front he puts up for his kids, but at the same time he's a guy who went through the thought process "Well, I need a practical way to kill using nen. I know, I'll SUMMON A loving DRAGON" That suggests a fun-seeking and adventurous spirit we really don't get the opportunity to see .
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Silva's kind of a stick in the mud if the concept that most appealed to him was "I want to make a big orb of die"
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Kytrarewn posted:Can you imagine how fun it would be to sit down for a beer with a young Zeno? I mean, all we see of him really is the stoic front he puts up for his kids, but at the same time he's a guy who went through the thought process "Well, I need a practical way to kill using nen. I know, I'll SUMMON A loving DRAGON" In a lot of Eastern traditions, dragons are venerable and celestial beings of a higher order, worthy of respect and sometimes even worship. Zeno's affinity for dragons likely runs closer to this interpretation than say adventurous heavy metal or what have you.
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Kytrarewn posted:Can you imagine how fun it would be to sit down for a beer with a young Zeno? I mean, all we see of him really is the stoic front he puts up for his kids, but at the same time he's a guy who went through the thought process "Well, I need a practical way to kill using nen. I know, I'll SUMMON A loving DRAGON" I prefer to talk about things other than DBZ over beers at a bar.
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