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Marzzle posted:whats the big advantage of CentOS vs something like debian unstable? i get the impression it's sorta fedora: server edition but i have never run it It's super long term support, solid as a rock, secure, and not built by morons. Fedora is to Rhel as Debian testing is to Debian Stable.
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centos is the only linux i ever touch not on the desktop of course lol
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just use ubuntu
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Marzzle posted:whats the big advantage of CentOS vs something like debian unstable? i get the impression it's sorta fedora: server edition but i have never run it ten years. you install centos, you have ten years before you have to gently caress with it again
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Fedora for the desktop, Cent for the servers. Ubuntu is trash and so is Debian. What I'm saying here is Slackware is the best.
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and then the advantage of debian is WAY more packages pre built in repos to just apt-get install you like, never have to actually use an autoconf and build something and debug buildchain - there's packages for everything but then yes you only are guaranteed 3? years of updates vs. 10.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:ten years.
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craisins posted:ten years from the release date, not from when you install why would you wait more than a day to install!!???
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:why would you wait more than a day to install!!??? Shoot, by the time its installed planning and whatnot, its could be up to a year or even more
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theultimo posted:Shoot, by the time its installed planning and whatnot, its could be up to a year or even more Only 9 years of support? Unacceptable! 
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:why would you wait more than a day to install!!???
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:why would you wait more than a day to install!!???
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Sniep posted:and then the advantage of debian is WAY more packages pre built in repos to just apt-get install For LTS releases (which come every two years), support is 3 on the desktop, 5 on the server. For non-LTS releases, 9 months. As mentioned in this thread... if you are using any packages that are from the multiverse repository, those packages may never get updates at all.
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re: chef my buddy who works for Facebook reports that instead of using Casper suite for all their machines they are not children and use Chef to automate end user config management, and all the syslogs are dumped to Splunk. If your computer kernel panics more than 3 times in a given time frame, they automatically send you a new computer.
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lol your friend is a desktop janitor
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celeron 300a posted:For LTS releases (which come every two years), support is 3 on the desktop, 5 on the server. For non-LTS releases, 9 months. i'll just c/p my poo poo from months ago don't use ubuntu, jesus christ Notorious b.s.d. posted:The problem with Ubuntu isn't a matter of taste. It's not that I don't like Unity, or I have bad feelings about Shuttleworth, or that the logo doesn't agree with me. It's much more fundamental: The Ubuntu model for development is broken.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i'll just c/p my poo poo from months ago 
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nbsd have you considered a job on red hats marketing team
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i almost forgot. canonical can't afford to support old kernels anymore, so their new policy on LTS releases is to force people to upgrade the kernel to a newer release while retaining the old userland in this diagram, you can see that they intend to continue "supporting" 12.04's stable kernels indefinitely, but 14.04 and 16.04 LTS users will be forced to upgrade to retain meaningful support in reality everyone has to upgrade because lol canonical "support." (it's always "best" "effort") ((gently caress just don't use ubuntu ok)) 
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:nbsd have you considered a job on red hats marketing team yes i have considered working for red hat sales engineering, but they couldn't afford it like not even close
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 who the hell does anything with mod_perl after like, 2001 other than slashdot i mean if php is webdev with crayons then mod_perl is like webdev with crayons that have lead in them
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Soricidus posted:i'm trying gnom3 on fedora and it's kinda ok but what the gently caress are they thinking with those inch-high title bars on all the windows that you can only shrink by dropping a magic css file in a hidden directory don't worry they're working on it (I bet soon it will just ignore the magic css file)
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Jimmy Carter posted:re: chef that is awesome. do you know what kind of computers they use? the productivity loss of a unstable computer is so much greater than the cost of a new computer, imo.
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Barnyard Protein posted:that is awesome. do you know what kind of computers they use? the productivity loss of a unstable computer is so much greater than the cost of a new computer, imo. i wonder how much productivity is lost every time a dev tries to learn emacs or vim and attempts to extend it to be more like an ide should probably backup my dotfiles now that I think about it
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if a dev is learning emacs or vim on the job then they must either be bad devs, or are trying to solve a problem that they don't have the right tools for. i have used vim at work because my work involves, not as much any more, making the same set of edits to 24+ raw xml files. the in-house tool doesn't support it and apparently real xml editors are too expensive?? one person in the company has a copy of xmlspy, but she is like a lead compiler dev or something idk. p.s. i am a bad dev
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:yes i have considered working for red hat sales engineering, but they couldn't afford it i was thinking more like vp of cloud marketing
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gonna post some pics of bad gnome3 behavior: "progress" of file operations takes up a huge amount of space for no reason at all but you get rid of an extra dialogue screen which I guess makes it all ok some how? also, it looks like total crap  file selection status has much better placement than "progress" thing but still blocks the last line of the window for no reason other than I guess they spend all the screen real estate for nautilus on the big rear end title bar and favorites side bar. would've been a lot cooler to stick a dialogue bar or something at the bottom or up in the title bar and just keep the list display of files as its own frame instead of plastering every little thing over it. thank god the sanctity of the favorites sidebar is unmolested memorial image size dedicated to gnome3's design language also i am bad at picking IDEs/videogames/tv tia
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It's always sunny in kde
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Marzzle posted:also i am bad at picking IDEs ides are bad
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There Will Be Penalty posted:ides are bad but i am too much of a scrub to craft bespoke java applications in vim 
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but seriously i can't really conceive of how people write something spread across a few modules and still remember what each method/object etc accept as parameters and their return types. i know people must do it and i pretty regularly write (and screw up) python stuff in text editors but java seems like it would be some next level frustration. how do you keep track of a lot of stuff on a regular editor?
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Marzzle posted:but seriously i can't really conceive of how people write something spread across a few modules and still remember what each method/object etc accept as parameters and their return types. i know people must do it and i pretty regularly write (and screw up) python stuff in text editors but java seems like it would be some next level frustration. powerful greybeards
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Marzzle posted:how do you keep track of a lot of stuff on a regular editor? Use an ide
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A "Text editor" is for editing text An "integrated development environment" is for development
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"how so people drive nails with a screw driver, i don't get it?!"
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fam im switing to fedora or something next week kuz now i have to sudo service restart cups basically 50% of the time on any print job. sometimes a couple times ot get it to engage the gears or whatever. Ubuntu is loving my LIFE
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Marzzle posted:gonna post some pics of bad gnome3 behavior: what's Sam_Brownback.htm
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Broken Machine posted:what's Sam_Brownback.htm my pre-release sam brownback erotic flash game now please sign this NDA
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Smythe posted:fam im switing to fedora or something next week kuz now i have to sudo service restart cups basically 50% of the time on any print job. sometimes a couple times ot get it to engage the gears or whatever. Ubuntu is loving my LIFE unbuntu is actually pretty bad so now you are making some positive life changes by considering other distros like kicking your heroin habit to get on suboxone
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Smythe posted:fam im switing to fedora or something next week kuz now i have to sudo service restart cups basically 50% of the time on any print job. sometimes a couple times ot get it to engage the gears or whatever. Ubuntu is loving my LIFE a post from the trenches a good post
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