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Serf posted:Do an Ocean's Eleven style heist movie set in Eberron. D'Orien's 11! Followed by a locked room murder mystery on the Lightning rail. Murder on D'Orien's express.
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moths posted:WotC doesn't, but I feel like the D&D novels have scraped the best seller list more than the games. The only R.A. Salvatore D&D book to make the NYT Bestseller list afaik is Waterdeep e: Apparently The Two Swords, Book III of The Hunter’s Blade Trilogy hit #4. Not bad. Shrecknet fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Jan 28, 2016 |
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remusclaw posted:Well if you actually played OD&D with the Chainmail combat system, you already had this, as Chainmail used only d6. Not that anyone ever really did apparently. I did. We also used the Outdoor Survival map.
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Cool, how was it? Did you play it that way back in the day, or as a kind of a play it like they used to kind of thing? I only ask because from what I heard, combing through post from the old player's and such, Gygax and company never did play that way, and it was included as an option to help ease war gamer's into the new game. As a side question, how is Chainamil? I had a copy until recently but never got to play, and I always wondered how it actually held up in play. remusclaw fucked around with this message at 04:15 on Jan 28, 2016 |
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I don't remember how to embed a tweet, but GMS had to cancel a webhost for an "upcoming project". It's not Far West, because intothefarwest.com is still up. e: oh, I guess it auto-embeds?
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GMS had to cancel a webhost for an "upcoming project". Gareth: The Skarkening
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Evil Mastermind posted:I don't remember how to embed a tweet, but It auto-embeds any url that leads to twitter or is a webm, but doesn't embed if you use  nms or nws tags, for what it's worth.
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The proud tradition of thinking of names before the product. Only produces quality.
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I'm kind of wondering if it's Buckaroo Banzai, but I doubt it.
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Jan 28, 2016 17:19
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Maybe it's the Bas-lag license!
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Oh man, I forgot all about that. So GMS is squatting on the Bas-Lag and Buckaroo Banzai licenses. Was there anything else he was holding up? I honestly don't remember.
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unseenlibrarian posted:Maybe it's the Bas-lag license! Oh god, PLEASE let it be this. Miévilles stuff deserves a much better writer than GMS. EDIT: Well, gently caress, he's still going to sit on the license, isn't he?
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Evil Mastermind posted:Was there anything else he was holding up? I honestly don't remember.
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guys what are you talking about WOTC clearly cares about D&D look at their incredible marketing efforts http://imgur.com/gallery/5fCo1
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clockworkjoe posted:guys what are you talking about WOTC clearly cares about D&D look at their incredible marketing efforts http://imgur.com/gallery/5fCo1 Is the joke that it is eBay doing it?
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I'm pretty sure that the D&D movie is going to be a flop because they're going to go for some half-baked epic political fantasy of epic epicness that heavily features Drizzt and Elminster. The novel fans are going to be pissed because Drizzt eats a slice of mumbleberry pie when it was clearly established in book 9 of the Spider Queen War that he hates that and prefers razium cake. General moviegoers are going to be disinterested and actively bored because it's going to be a poo poo fantasy dimestore version of Game of Thrones and Lord of the Rings that doesn't make use of any of the interesting things about D&D. A good D&D movie would be something like a group of adventurers wandering about for gold and glory and raiding dungeons who stumble across something that will end the world or piss off an evil wizard. We're gonna get not Gondor in the form of Cormyr and Shadowdale vs not Sauron in the form of some chosen of Bane or some poo poo. Also, the few official mentions of the D&D movie I've seen bring up Warcraft, and they're going to wrongheadedly compete with it, confirming what I say above even more.
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Lightning Lord posted:I'm pretty sure that the D&D movie is going to be a flop because they're going to go for some half-baked epic political fantasy of epic epicness that heavily features Drizzt and Elminster. The novel fans are going to be pissed because Drizzt eats a slice of mumbleberry pie when it was clearly established in book 9 of the Spider Queen War that he hates that and prefers razium cake. General moviegoers are going to be disinterested and actively bored because it's going to be a poo poo fantasy dimestore version of Game of Thrones and Lord of the Rings that doesn't make use of any of the interesting things about D&D. A good D&D movie would be something like a group of adventurers wandering about for gold and glory and raiding dungeons who stumble across something that will end the world or piss off an evil wizard. We're gonna get not Gondor in the form of Cormyr and Shadowdale vs not Sauron in the form of some chosen of Bane or some poo poo. eeeh I don't know about Drizzt or Elminster. like, execs would want to cast some famous white guyas Drizzt and there's no way painting a white dude solid black would go over well. And that's assuming they could even make the drow not look kind of stupid on film. If they did Elminster they'd have to cut or revise a lot of his origins, like the period he was turned into a woman to teach him a lesson in humility. I think I mentioned it before but Dragonlance is really the big property they could adapt almost 1:1 onscreen and have it be palatable to movie audiences. it has all the epic adventuring and raiding dungeons and world-ending danger, like you mentioned. it has dragons. it's even handily divided up into an epic trilogy.
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PJOmega posted:Is the joke that it is eBay doing it? Yes. The joke is that for however fitting a pitch that is for people to get into D&D, it's not actually WOTC that's doing it.
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They should just do that comic that ended because there is no justice in the world.
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Nuns with Guns posted:I think I mentioned it before but Dragonlance is really the big property they could adapt almost 1:1 onscreen and have it be palatable to movie audiences. it has all the epic adventuring and raiding dungeons and world-ending danger, like you mentioned. it has dragons. it's even handily divided up into an epic trilogy. Well, they tried.
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Direct adapdation of Planescape Torment to the big screen. Part two of the trilogy is the Nameless One walking around a high-class brothel for two hours.
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D&D as an IP is awesome because it's more or less worthless. It had one or two moments of potential cultural re-emergence after it's glory years and completely pissed it away every time. Maybe it did inform large amounts of the present day fantasy genre, but that genre left it far behind. Nobody is fighting over the D&D license for their video games. It doubled down hard in printed media and we know how bright that future is looking. Relatively nobody gives a poo poo about the Forgotten Realms, and that's the MOST popular setting. The funniest thing to me will always be Bioware nearly making D&D a major name again with the Baldur's Gate series, being substantially less successful with Neverwinter Nights, and then kicking their rear end to the curb on realizing they can just use their own goddamn setting, and lo and behold it is a thousand times more popular and more successful then anything they did before. And even then, it's not because people actually care about it's setting. That's what D&D doesn't get - people don't loving care about your lush richly described fantasy world. They want character interaction and humanizing events and cultural touchstones they can connect on. Dragon Age isn't popular because people are really super deeply invested in the story of the Not-Orcs who are invading, it's popular because people want to bang the Iron Bull. Game of Thrones was popular because there was sex and violence and it was easy to tag a faction and go "I'M WITH THIS GROUP!" I cannot imagine the D&D movie managing to hit any of those points. It's going to be generic, boring, and utterly forgettable - at best. Also the idea of anyone looking at the fuckin' Warcraft movie and going "yes that's what we need to make" is absolutely amazing.
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The Crotch posted:Direct adapdation of Planescape Torment to the big screen. The pervy wardrobe gets a nod for best supporting actor.
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That's the thing, D&D's milkshake has been drank so many times it doesn't have a lot unique to provide other than name recognition. Which I wouldn't underestimate, but the fact that D&D hasn't had any memorable products outside of the RPG itself in well over twenty years is pretty amazing.
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Well, that's because it hasn't had to. D&D succeeds because it's D&D. It hasn't had an identity beyond "is D&D" since...well, since ever.
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Evil Mastermind posted:Well, that's because it hasn't had to. D&D succeeds because it's D&D. It hasn't had an identity beyond "is D&D" since...well, since ever. I think D&D's present state is a pretty good counterargument to that notion.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:That's the thing, D&D's milkshake has been drank so many times it doesn't have a lot unique to provide other than name recognition. Which I wouldn't underestimate, but the fact that D&D hasn't had any memorable products outside of the RPG itself in well over twenty years is pretty amazing. D&D's campaign settings would be cool places for video games or movies, but the unique ones like Dark Sun, Eberron, and Planescape don't resemble anything close to what the mainstream public thinks of when they hear about D&D, so I can get how executives would be uncomfortable banking the brand on them
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Has D&D run into brand identity issues like Kleenex and Band-Aid? It's a lot easier to say "Deen-dee" than "Pathfinder role-playing adventure game system," and if my friends say they're playing "D&D" I know what they actually mean is Pathfinder. Plus I don't think anyone outside this hobby realizes or cares that there's more than one flavor of "roll dice, pretend to be elf."
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They could pump out a pretty good Forgotten Realms movie, but meta series are in, so Spelljammer should be the franchise setting.
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moths posted:Plus I don't think anyone outside this hobby realizes or cares that there's more than one flavor of "roll dice, pretend to be elf." There are certainly parallels between people trying to come up with elaborate ploys to introduce "laypersons" into boardgames and convince them that there's more to it than Monopoly, as with introducing them to RPGs and convince them that there's more to it than D&D
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gradenko_2000 posted:There are certainly parallels between people trying to come up with elaborate ploys to introduce "laypersons" into boardgames and convince them that there's more to it than Monopoly, as with introducing them to RPGs and convince them that there's more to it than D&D The difference being that boardgames are pretty popular at the moment, and increasingly even complete randos have heard of something like Settlers of Catan.
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I think D&D being the origin and core of the hobby formed a barrier to people getting into RPGs as the hobby's gone on, because it requires a level of time and effort commitment around portraying a gnome that most people are, frankly, too sane to make.
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Nuns with Guns posted:D&D's campaign settings would be cool places for video games or movies, but the unique ones like Dark Sun, Eberron, and Planescape don't resemble anything close to what the mainstream public thinks of when they hear about D&D, so I can get how executives would be uncomfortable banking the brand on them They could just drop the D&D brand entirely. Like, do a movie about hardcases fighting slavery in a fantasy desert world, but never namedrop roleplaying games at all. I think the three settings you mention have all got enough style and substance to support that kind of approach.
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Nuns with Guns posted:eeeh I don't know about Drizzt or Elminster. like, execs would want to cast some famous white guyas Drizzt and there's no way painting a white dude solid black would go over well. And that's assuming they could even make the drow not look kind of stupid on film. If they did Elminster they'd have to cut or revise a lot of his origins, like the period he was turned into a woman to teach him a lesson in humility. They'll probably have Drizzt played by Doug Jones under a pound of prosthetics and makeup, and Elminster will just be not-Gandalf. ProfessorCirno posted:Also the idea of anyone looking at the fuckin' Warcraft movie and going "yes that's what we need to make" is absolutely amazing. Even if I think D&D has some nerdy cultural cachet where wearing one of those shirts with the Red Box art on it is cool instead of getting you swirlies, you couldn't be more right here. If they're seriously thinking "We gotta eat Warcraft's lunch" when going about making this thing it's going to be a loving abomination. I hope Warcraft flops too because look at it. People in the audience when I saw Star Wars were laughing themselves sick during the trailer. If it succeeds we're probably in for a generation of garbage. potatocubed posted:They could just drop the D&D brand entirely. Like, do a movie about hardcases fighting slavery in a fantasy desert world, but never namedrop roleplaying games at all. I think the three settings you mention have all got enough style and substance to support that kind of approach. The Big Hero 6 approach. "Fantasy Fury Road" might be all the elevator pitch you need to sell it to execs.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:I think D&D being the origin and core of the hobby formed a barrier to people getting into RPGs as the hobby's gone on, because it requires a level of time and effort commitment around portraying a gnome that most people are, frankly, too sane to make. Some acquaintances of mine have been running D&D regularly for "beginners" at local LAN parties and cons, and the process by which they try to get people interested in D&D/roleplaying is to start with 2-4 hours of 3.5/Pathfinder character generation. I participated once on a whim (I had an open spot on my con schedule) and the way they were throwing D&D at people was to present them with 10 kg of printouts of the SRD. I think you hit the nail on the head here; the amount of time and effort you'd have to devote to the minutiae of selecting Feats and gear just to get your first taste of D&D seems to have a really poor pay-off when what happens afterwards is a 3-hour game of technically arduous but not really difficult or interesting combat scenarios. (Meanwhile I run Call of Cthulhu with pregen characters for people who've never roleplayed and it takes maybe half an hour for everyone to get started on exploring the spooky mansion.  )
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TheTatteredKing posted:They should just do that comic that ended because there is no justice in the world. Or at least hire those writers to make the movie. Fell's Five was D&D, As She Is Played
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Nuns with Guns posted:eeeh I don't know about Drizzt or Elminster. like, execs would want to cast some famous white guyas Drizzt and there's no way painting a white dude solid black would go over well. And that's assuming they could even make the drow not look kind of stupid on film. If they did Elminster they'd have to cut or revise a lot of his origins, like the period he was turned into a woman to teach him a lesson in humility. Alien Rope Burn posted:That's the thing, D&D's milkshake has been drank so many times it doesn't have a lot unique to provide other than name recognition. Which I wouldn't underestimate, but the fact that D&D hasn't had any memorable products outside of the RPG itself in well over twenty years is pretty amazing. Lightning Lord posted:I'm pretty sure that the D&D movie is going to be a flop because they're going to go for some half-baked epic political fantasy of epic epicness that heavily features Drizzt and Elminster. The novel fans are going to be pissed because Drizzt eats a slice of mumbleberry pie when it was clearly established in book 9 of the Spider Queen War that he hates that and prefers razium cake. General moviegoers are going to be disinterested and actively bored because it's going to be a poo poo fantasy dimestore version of Game of Thrones and Lord of the Rings that doesn't make use of any of the interesting things about D&D. The hypothetical movie producers, if they have any sense, aren't going to give a gently caress about novel canon. As much money as those books have made, they don't have the audience of Harry Potter or The Hunger Games, i.e. big enough that faithfulness to the novels is going impact the movie's performance. But it's entirely possible that they won't have any sense, in which case "some half-baked epic political fantasy of epic epicness that heavily features Drizzt and Elminster" sounds likely, and that will definitely fail. The official Dungeons & Dragons movie flopped because, among other reasons, the fantasy world they lived in had no identity yet there were still long talky explanations of specific things just to drive the plot forward. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Jan 29, 2016 |
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D&D has just been handled in such a way that they had no idea at the time what it could be with due diligence and the kind of creative folks they were able to attract in terms of world building and the like---Spelljammer, Dark Sun, Birthright(there's your best shot at swinging for GoT), Planescape....so many could amount to such fine springboards, if only. The Gaming Industry distilled---so many elements brought together from the great classic disciplines, so little foresight especially at the critical phases to carry those applied classics forward while taking special care to be as globally fractured as possible for efficient toil and waste of talent. Hell, had luck and momentum not gone as they did, it all could've been sent to wander the lands eternally in obscurity despite everything like Tekumel. At least we've got The Dragon Kings Project as something of an independent separate spiritual successor to Dark Sun---though we'll be lucky to see the former gain as much meat on the bones as the latter unless they've got something else planned beyond the modest success of their original Kickstarter awhile back.
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Kai Tave posted:The difference being that boardgames are pretty popular at the moment, and increasingly even complete randos have heard of something like Settlers of Catan. LatwPIAT posted:Some acquaintances of mine have been running D&D regularly for "beginners" at local LAN parties and cons, and the process by which they try to get people interested in D&D/roleplaying is to start with 2-4 hours of 3.5/Pathfinder character generation. I participated once on a whim (I had an open spot on my con schedule) and the way they were throwing D&D at people was to present them with 10 kg of printouts of the SRD. I think you hit the nail on the head here; the amount of time and effort you'd have to devote to the minutiae of selecting Feats and gear just to get your first taste of D&D seems to have a really poor pay-off when what happens afterwards is a 3-hour game of technically arduous but not really difficult or interesting combat scenarios.
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