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The idea of Palestinians being citizens of Israel in any significant numbers is ludicrous and is only being propounded as an attempt to throw sand in the gears.
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# ? Jan 28, 2016 18:47 |
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Maoist Pussy posted:If you have lost but failed to surrender, then it should be no surprise when the conflict continues. Might does not equal right. Hth.
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# ? Jan 28, 2016 18:47 |
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Maoist Pussy posted:The idea of Palestinians being citizens of Israel in any significant numbers is ludicrous and is only being propounded as an attempt to throw sand in the gears. The idea that Israel can control the territory and every aspect of their lives while not granting them equal rights is known as 'apartheid'. And besides, Israel already has 2 million palestinian citizens, that's a rather significant number. What are you proposing?
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# ? Jan 28, 2016 18:53 |
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Maoist Pussy posted:The idea of Palestinians being citizens of Israel in any significant numbers is ludicrous and is only being propounded as an attempt to throw sand in the gears. Either they're foreigners and you're occupying their territory illegaly, or they're citizens of your country. Anything else is just an excuse to do some ethnic cleansing.
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# ? Jan 28, 2016 18:58 |
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emanresu tnuocca posted:The idea that Israel can control the territory and every aspect of their lives while not granting them equal rights is known as 'apartheid'. And besides, Israel already has 2 million palestinian citizens, that's a rather significant number. quote:in 1967 they were citizens of either Jordan or Egypt; This.
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# ? Jan 28, 2016 18:58 |
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Maoist Pussy posted:This. So Jordan and Egypt should have the territory back, then?
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# ? Jan 28, 2016 18:58 |
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lol no
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# ? Jan 28, 2016 19:04 |
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Fun activity for kids: read the universal declaration of human rights and count how many Israel violates. For example, article 1: Maoist Pussy posted:The idea of Palestinians being citizens of Israel in any significant numbers is ludicrous and is only being propounded as an attempt to throw sand in the gears. "All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights." They were born on the land where they live. If you claim this land belongs to Israel, that means that they are citizens of Israel. The only way in which you can deny this is by claiming that they are not entitled to the universal human rights, which you can only do if you claim that they are not, in fact, human. Baloogan posted:lol no lol ethnic cleansing lololol rofl genocide lulz
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# ? Jan 28, 2016 19:04 |
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Baloogan posted:lol no Maoist Pussy posted:Ahahahahaha. No. It's almost like we got a word for what happens when you take somebody's land and then push them off of it. We kinda frown on that sorta thing. Panzeh fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Jan 28, 2016 |
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Panzeh posted:So Jordan and Egypt should have the territory back, then? Ahahahahaha. No.
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# ? Jan 28, 2016 19:07 |
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So, you are advocating ethnic cleansing as not only a legitimate solution but in fact the only acceptable one? No reason to pussyfoot around the issue, let's all just be clear about our views concerning crimes against humanity. I for one would like to state that I am against ethnic cleansing, i think it's bad but then again I am a bit of a hippie when it comes to this sort of thing.
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# ? Jan 28, 2016 19:13 |
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No, just resettlement.
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# ? Jan 28, 2016 19:15 |
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Maoist Pussy posted:No, just resettlement. Madagascar makes sense, don't you think? Just to be more serious, that is literally the definition of ethnic cleansing.
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# ? Jan 28, 2016 19:16 |
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Ah ha. Well, to be fair it would be an improvement over what Israel did in 1948 but it's still ethnic cleansing.
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# ? Jan 28, 2016 19:17 |
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the trail of tears was legitimate and wise
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# ? Jan 28, 2016 19:18 |
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corn in the bible posted:the trail of tears was legitimate and wise Jackson did nothing wrong
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# ? Jan 28, 2016 19:19 |
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Panzeh posted:Madagascar makes sense, don't you think? Cleansing is good. I think I am going to go take a cleansing right now!
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# ? Jan 28, 2016 19:22 |
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# ? Jan 28, 2016 19:25 |
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Maoist Pussy posted:Cleansing is good. I think I am going to go take a cleansing right now! Make sure to cleanse your immediate family as well.
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# ? Jan 28, 2016 19:37 |
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I am aware that it is a terrifying subject for goons.
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# ? Jan 28, 2016 19:40 |
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Maoist Pussy posted:If you have lost but failed to surrender, then it should be no surprise when the conflict continues. The civil war for rule of Mandatory Palestine ended long ago with the establishment of the country and government of Israel. This does not mean that private landowners lost their rights to live there, it just means they are under the control of a different government. The fact that territory may change hands after a war does not mean that all the existing inhabitants are obligated to leave - it just means they pay taxes to a different government. Expulsion of the previous inhabitants of conquered land is typically regarded as a crime against humanity. Modern international law and precedents are quite clear on this, generally: you don't want to be responsible for the people, don't seize control over the land in the first place, because the people who live there come with it.
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# ? Jan 28, 2016 19:46 |
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Modern international law means jack-poo poo when it presumes to prohibit something that every country knows is a practical necessity.
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# ? Jan 28, 2016 19:49 |
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Maoist Pussy posted:Modern international law means jack-poo poo when it presumes to prohibit something that every country knows is a practical necessity. Purging your population from those of unwanted ethnicity is a practical necessity, you say. Wonderful. At this point I have to call Poe's Law.
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# ? Jan 28, 2016 20:40 |
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Maoist Pussy posted:I am aware that it is a terrifying subject for goons. Deliberate and cold-blooded crimes against humanity is indeed a terrifying subject. And who considers the gradual annexation of land for the purpose of racial and religious hegemony to be a 'practical purpose'? Even of the ardent supporters of Israeli foreign policy that I've talked to in real life, none of them considered the settlements to be legal, necessary or in any way valid.
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# ? Jan 28, 2016 21:48 |
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You don't have to consider them valid when other people are doing the heavy-lifting for you. You just have to wait it out, and you get a nation of your own with contiguous borders.
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# ? Jan 28, 2016 23:02 |
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So your position is that Egypt and Jordan have an obligation to let Palestinians be "resettled," but Israel has no obligation to stop ethnically cleansing them? Why do Egypt and Jordan have to observe human rights if Israel gets to ignore them?
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# ? Jan 28, 2016 23:35 |
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US restates labeling rules on Israeli products from West Bank Thanks Obama (unironically).
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# ? Jan 28, 2016 23:47 |
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Kajeesus posted:So your position is that Egypt and Jordan have an obligation to let Palestinians be "resettled," but Israel has no obligation to stop ethnically cleansing them? Why do Egypt and Jordan have to observe human rights if Israel gets to ignore them? You are the one operating under a human rights narrative, not me. Resettled people are, in practical terms, going to do best when resettled to neighboring states with identical language, religion and culture.
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# ? Jan 28, 2016 23:55 |
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Maoist Pussy posted:You are the one operating under a human rights narrative, not me. Resettled people are, in practical terms, going to do best when resettled to neighboring states with identical language, religion and culture. I agree, Israel should be forcibly moved away from the predominantly Islamic region of the Middle East
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# ? Jan 29, 2016 00:11 |
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quote:Canada's PM forgets Jews in statement on Holocaust quote:MK ramps up battle against far-left NGOs
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# ? Jan 29, 2016 00:25 |
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Maoist Pussy posted:That is what is known as a legal fiction. You sound like a sovereign citizen. "Sure, everyone in the world may recognise the law as working in a particular and common sense way and although that may be based in the most fundamental of laws, somehow I'll find the magic phrase which changes everything and convinces you all you're wrong. I do not consent!" Please spoiler and give a trigger warning in future. Main Paineframe posted:New proposed law would allow courts to dismantle any NGO for physically or verbally attacking the IDF or any of its active soldiers. I'm assuming this is one of those far right "Here's a law that won't actually ever be passed through the knessett, just to throw some red meat to the right-wing extremist base" type laws that seems to crop up every now and again. Hopefully someone can confirm because this is very hosed up.
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# ? Jan 29, 2016 00:54 |
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corn in the bible posted:I agree, Israel should be forcibly moved away from the predominantly Islamic region of the Middle East Counterpoint: the predominantly Islamic region of the Middle East should be returned to the Arabian peninsula from whence it came. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Maoist Pussy posted:Counterpoint: the predominantly Islamic region of the Middle East should be returned to the Arabian peninsula from whence it came. Let's all go back to the Horn of Africa, where homo sapiens sapiens evolved. Everything else would be in defiance of international law.
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Maoist Pussy posted:Counterpoint: the predominantly Islamic region of the Middle East should be returned to the Arabian peninsula from whence it came. If those civilians wanted to live they shouldn't have been born there!
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# ? Jan 29, 2016 05:23 |
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ungulateman posted:Let's all go back to the Horn of Africa, where homo sapiens sapiens evolved. Everything else would be in defiance of international law. Actually, most white people have some percentage of Australopithecus in them. Africans are the "purest" race. Is that irony or just funny? Anyway, gently caress racists.
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# ? Jan 29, 2016 09:20 |
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Don't you mean Neanderthals? Australopithecus is an ancestor to the entire Homo genus.
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# ? Jan 29, 2016 09:33 |
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Main Paineframe posted:I said Zionist organizations, so why are you suggesting Jewish organizations that have little to do with Zionism? Pretty sure both AIPAC and Hillel support the existence of a Jewish state, so yeah, they're Zionist organizations. Main Paineframe posted:Zionist organizations often intentionally act to cast and encourage such suspicions, in order to stoke antisemitism Now that we've got that out of the way, let's go back to how you were going to tell us how antisemitism is caused by those nasty Zionists who stir it up intentionally? And before you get all weepy about how I'm making insinuations about your perfectly above board arguments, let me help you by being explicit: The claim that Jews are to blame for antisemitism is absolutely a well-known antisemitic canard.
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# ? Jan 29, 2016 10:05 |
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You know at a certain point when someone says "ethnic cleansing is good" we can just collectively roll our eyes and move on with the discussion, he's either a troll or a massive bigot (or both). Continuing the Im Tirzu shitstorm the great ginger hope MK Stav Shaffir has publicly called to pass legislation that bans the organization, further cementing the fact that the Israeli labor party is also full of idiots.
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# ? Jan 29, 2016 10:08 |
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emanresu tnuocca posted:You know at a certain point when someone says "ethnic cleansing is good" we can just collectively roll our eyes and move on with the discussion, he's either a troll or a massive bigot (or both). Alternatively, when someone uses a word that implies mass murder to actually describe 'resettling landless people', you can assume he is being disingenuous. Also when he uses an insult implying racial hatred to anyone who disagrees with him.
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# ? Jan 29, 2016 10:31 |
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Ethnic cleansing implies ethnic cleansing, what you are proposing is ethnic cleansing. Your usage of the term 'landless people' is very 19th century zionist, very good. I guess you weren't present in this thread the last time I was called a genocide apologist but I actually distinguish between ethnic cleansing and all forms of mass murder and genocide, so you might be barking up the wrong tree. And I'm sorry but I have little qualms about calling someone who unreservedly calls for ethnic cleansing a racist cause well.. you are?
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