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MariusLecter: Sep 5, 2009; NI MUERTE NI MIEDO

Doctor Butts posted:

This is probably why Milo is so scared of losing his checkmark.

Only reason I know about Milo is that he regularly harasses a woman I follow on twitter. She does editing and sound for movies and apparently she's a feminazi who spreads lies and hate about gamergate.

# ? Jan 28, 2016 19:33

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# ? Jun 7, 2024 12:39

fart blood: Sep 13, 2008; by VideoGames

STAC Goat posted:

Hey, at least they tried to call him on the birther poo poo and why he seems to think it matters for Obama and not Cruz. He avoided the question and they let it go, but still.

Ugh, typical liberal media for ya! :mad:

# ? Jan 28, 2016 19:34

Pander: Oct 9, 2007; Fear is the glue that holds society together. It's what makes people suppress their worst impulses. Fear is power.

And at the end of fear, oblivion.

Doctor Butts posted:

This is probably why Milo is so scared of losing his checkmark.

Any chance we could make the argument to Twitter that Walsh advocates violence/terrorism against PP and get him Twitter banned too?

# ? Jan 28, 2016 19:35

mr. mephistopheles: Dec 2, 2009

Goatman Sacks posted:

Loesch isn't really fully established. She originally tied her horse to the Breitbart cocaine comedy hour, but he dead. Now she's trying to be Glenn Beck's toadie, but his network is collapsing.

I mean yeah, Crowder is the parasite of the symbiote that cleans the belly of the apex predator. He is where he belongs.

# ? Jan 28, 2016 19:36

Jurgan: May 8, 2007; Just pour it directly into your gaping mouth-hole you decadent slut

Unzip and Attack posted:

Those are God's will, not some floozy's.

As opposed to cancer, which_____________

# ? Jan 28, 2016 19:36

Doctor Butts: May 21, 2002

Pander posted:

Any chance we could make the argument to Twitter that Walsh advocates violence/terrorism against PP and get him Twitter banned too?

You'd probably have to research the remarks that likely got Chucky banned and see if Walsh's remarks were as incendiary.

# ? Jan 28, 2016 19:37

FuzzySkinner: May 23, 2012

KomradeX posted:

So AJA had some video of Cruz in college where he's taping about how he would wavy to role the world or whatever his huge ego desires. And I kind of realized that Cruz and hell Trump as well might as well be Greg Stillson from The Dead Zone. Than I was thinking that owing to the year that it came out is Greg Stillson an allusion to Ronald Reagan?

Trump....while I think he could potentially destroy the US economy? I don't know, I don't get any sleepless nights in regards to him blowing up the world. We'd survive his presidency, albeit we'd probably be limping along for 4 years.

He's an sociopath, but doesn't seem all that religious.

Cruz....I legitimately think would start lobbing nukes at various countries and usher in the end of human civilization. He's a dangerous, scary man. He's the worst of all worlds. There's not a single redeeming political quality to that man.

I want his career ended ASAP. I want him irrelevant as Sarah Palin.

# ? Jan 28, 2016 20:05

ToxicSlurpee: Nov 5, 2003; -=SEND HELP=-; Pillbug

FuzzySkinner posted:

I want his career ended ASAP. I want him irrelevant as Sarah Palin.

His days are numbered. He isn't going to win the presidency and has burned so many bridges his entire party hates him. Even if he wins re-election (highly like because Texas) nobody is willing to work with him anymore. He's a darling of the Tea Party and the farthest religious right but pretty much nobody else. He doesn't have a ton of power and his influence is deflating.

The GOP really did put themselves in a lovely situation. Cruz is exactly what a significant chunk of their base wants right now but literally everybody else wants absolutely nothing to do with somebody who would happily burn the whole thing down if he didn't get exactly his way. There is no way Cruz ever becomes president.

# ? Jan 28, 2016 20:13

fart blood: Sep 13, 2008; by VideoGames

Front page of CNN is a banner that has this headline:

"Trump taps right's anger over Fox
Network has endured attacks that it's not conservative enough"

I...what?! :psyduck:

# ? Jan 28, 2016 20:42

Jurgan: May 8, 2007; Just pour it directly into your gaping mouth-hole you decadent slut

fart blood posted:

Front page of CNN is a banner that has this headline:

"Trump taps right's anger over Fox
Network has endured attacks that it's not conservative enough"

I...what?!

You're adorable.

FuzzySkinner posted:

Trump....while I think he could potentially destroy the US economy? I don't know, I don't get any sleepless nights in regards to him blowing up the world. We'd survive his presidency, albeit we'd probably be limping along for 4 years.

He's an sociopath, but doesn't seem all that religious.

Cruz....I legitimately think would start lobbing nukes at various countries and usher in the end of human civilization. He's a dangerous, scary man. He's the worst of all worlds. There's not a single redeeming political quality to that man.

I want his career ended ASAP. I want him irrelevant as Sarah Palin.

The main danger from Trump is what he's doing to the political process. If he actually got elected, he wouldn't be near as bad as Cruz.

# ? Jan 28, 2016 20:45

Wraith of J.O.I.: Jan 25, 2012

Sorry sorry, my last Walsh post for the day. His new blog post, highlighting his ignorance, having never ventured outside the echo chamber. Something to remind yourself at the start and end of each paragraph: Matt supports Ted loving Cruz.

quote:

America Is Falling Apart And It�s Your Fault

When deciding who to blame for the current state of affairs in our country, we always run through a familiar list of shadowy villains: the �system,� the �establishment,� politicians, lobbyists, the schools, the media, etc. These are fine suspects in their own right, but I find it ridiculous that, somehow, we skip right over the first and most dastardly culprit: ourselves.

We never blame us, do we? We always get off the hook. All of the misery and misfortune in our culture have been hoist upon us from Washington, D.C. and Hollywood and Ivory Towers, and none of it from us, we claim. We�re victims. We had no say in any of this at all, according to us.

Well, at the risk of alienating literally every single person reading this, I�d like to suggest that you are an adult and a voter, and this is your fault. And mine. And your mother�s. And your neighbor Jim�s. And all of our accomplices who generally make up the club known as �We The People.�

When deciding who to blame for the current state of affairs in our country, we always run through a familiar list of shadowy villains: the �system,� the �establishment,� politicians, lobbyists, the schools, the media, etc. These are fine suspects in their own right, but I find it ridiculous that, somehow, we skip right over the first and most dastardly culprit: ourselves.

We never blame us, do we? We always get off the hook. All of the misery and misfortune in our culture have been hoist upon us from Washington, D.C. and Hollywood and Ivory Towers, and none of it from us, we claim. We�re victims. We had no say in any of this at all, according to us.

Here�s what I know: If you and me and your mother and your neighbor Jim and the rest of them were prudent, rational, resolute, wise, well-read, morally courageous and intellectually engaged, we wouldn�t be in this fix. What�s more, we wouldn�t have the same sort of politicians because we wouldn�t vote for those sorts of politicians, and we wouldn�t have the same sort of media because we wouldn�t watch that sort of media. Right on down the line like dominoes, everything would change if we changed. Everything.

But there is no accountability. We all say we want accountability, but what we really mean is we want everyone else to be accountable. Very few people will actually hold themselves accountable for anything. Our Republic crumbles while we all sit around pretending we�re victims of a culture we�re actively creating and politicians we actively vote into office. We put torches to our own home and wonder why it�s on fire.

And then, surveying the destruction we wrought upon ourselves, we weep like damsels in distress, crying out for a white knight to save us. Inevitably, a charlatan in a suit of armor comes along and promises to do just that. We faint and fall into his arms, and he proceeds to immediately betray us. Then we weep again for another white knight to save us from the last one, and another comes along, and he betrays us, and we weep again, and another one comes, and so on and so on and so on and so on unto infinity.

In the midst of all of this, nobody ever says: �Hey American people, STOP IT YOU FOOLS.� Instead, even the people who know better continue making patronizing excuses for us. They pontificate about how the �blue collar workers� and the �middle class� are feeling quite sad and angry at the moment, and we can�t very well be expected to take charge of our lives and make better decisions when we�re feeling this way.

Nonsense. It�s all nonsense.

Any notion that we�re victims of some mysterious outside force rather than of ourselves should be laid to rest because of this election season. After everything we�ve been through as a nation, suffering the incompetence, corruptions, and failures of one ruling regime after another, look at what we�re doing when given the opportunity to go in a different direction: flocking to Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton.

Some of us support other candidates, but, if polls are any indication, something close to a majority are threatening to vote for one of these three. We could well be looking at a Trump-Clinton or even Trump-Sanders showdown for president. And whose fault will that be?

Ours. Such an election would be a searing indictment not of Washington, D.C. or �the establishment� or any other vague entity, but of us. We the people.

We vote for petty bullies, crooks, and charlatans. We vote for them. We select them. Our politics are a reflection of us. Just like the deterioration of the family, the divorce rate, fatherless homes, the moral bankruptcy of our culture, the decline of faith, collective apathy, ignorance and intellectual laziness are manifestation of our choices, so is the political system. None of this was hoisted upon us by dark overlords or mystical sorcerers. We have made choices, we have done things, we have decided to be a certain way, and that way has proven poisonous to the future of our country.

So whose fault is it when we form cults of devotion to populist con artists like Trump or Sanders? Whose fault is it when we treat politics like middle school girls treat a One Direction concert? Whose fault is it when we refuse to think? Who�s to blame when we make important decisions based on emotion rather than principle? Who�s responsible when a person�s only rationale for voting for a particular candidate is that candidate�s warm smile or motivational campaign slogan or entertaining showmanship?

If you listen to most people, the answer is anyone but the people doing these things.

Indeed, when discussing the Trump phenomenon with other non-Trump supporters, the conversation often becomes so nonsensical that you�d think I was actually talking to a Trump supporter. Usually it goes like this:

Me: �Man, I really can�t stand how Donald Trump is a tyrant and fraud but his supporters follow him blindly.�

Other person: �Yeah but you can�t blame his followers. This is the result of a corrupt D.C. establishment. People are angry!�

Me: �OK, but why are they supporting an unapologetically corrupt man if they�re tired of corruption?�

Other person: �This is happening because of the system.�

Me: �How is the system forcing people to vote for a candidate who will perpetuate what they don�t like about the system? There are other options. Why don�t they try someone who at least has a chance of not being an egomaniacal crook?�

Other person: �People are angry!�

Me: �Yeah, you said that. So why are they choosing more of what makes them angry?�

Other person: �Look, you have to understand, the ruling class brought this on itself.�

Me: �HOW DOES THAT EXCUSE PEOPLE WHO ACTIVELY AND PURPOSEFULLY SUPPORT A BLATANT CHARLATAN?�

Other person. ��People are angry.�

And eventually the conversation ends, not because we reached a conclusion but because I have a brain aneurysm.

People are certainly angry, but anger only excuses ludicrous behavior when you�re a toddler or insane. If I walk into the room and see my daughter writhing around in the corner chewing on a shoe or something, it would make sense if my wife explained, �Oh, she�s just angry because I told her she can�t have a cookie.� She�s two. When two-year-olds are angry, they�re expected to communicate it in ways that make no sense and may in fact only exacerbate their original frustrations. But if I walk into the room and see an adult in the corner heaping praise on Donald Trump, the anger excuse is utterly preposterous. They might as well be chewing on a shoe. They�re grown ups. They should know better.

Besides, what�s shallowly buried in this �don�t blame the voters who support bad candidates, blame the system� stuff is the implication that, essentially, people are incontinent morons who cannot be held responsible for their own actions. Weak-kneed apologists who agree that Trump/Sanders/Clinton/whoever is atrocious but insist that their supporters can�t be criticized, are claiming to be smarter than those supporters. When they say, �Yes, I see that this candidate is an insidious despot but you can�t blame the people who don�t see it,� what they�re really saying is, �Yes, I see that this candidate is an insidious despot but you can�t blame the people who don�t see it because they�re stupid.�

So while I�m accusing the American public of wreaking havoc upon their own country, I�m not actually the one insulting the public. I do not believe that people are, by and large, stupid. And if people are stupid, I don�t believe I�m among the small minority of smart people. My access to information and my capacity to understand that information is about on par with everyone else. Yet, while I must claim responsibility for my share of this country�s decline, I�m at least not intent on voting for a socialist, a reality TV game show host, or a criminal.

Why is that? Do I have mental capabilities that exceed those who support these reprobates?

No, I don�t think so.

If a lack of intelligence were at the core of our nation�s problems, it might be true that our dear leaders in government, media, and education are solely to blame because they�re the smart ones taking advantage of a bunch of drooling imbeciles. But I don�t believe that to be the case. I believe at the core of our nation�s problems � especially our electoral problems, but also everything beyond that � are a collection of common vices, not mental deficiencies: laziness, apathy, greed, pride, envy, hatred, etc.

Our sin is our undoing. I�m as irritated with �the establishment� as you are � or at least I would be if I knew what that phrase meant � but �the establishment,� whatever it is, isn�t responsible for your sloth and your selfishness. Although nobody will acknowledge it, there is indeed a profound selfishness in the person who interjects himself into the democratic process yet refuses to think deeply, evaluate all the evidence, listen to opposing arguments, and scrutinize the principles, character, and integrity of the candidate he supports. To plug your ears and put on your blinders and plunge determinedly into the voting booth, having spent months aggressively refusing to apply any serious and considered thought to your decision, is an act of supreme self-centeredness. Even more so in the case of the people who vote for the politicians who promise to give them money appropriated from their fellow citizens. That�s greed and self-indulgence, not mere gullibility. In fact, these people are anything but gullible. They know exactly what they�re doing.

Ignorance, especially, can no longer be the stock explanation. We all carry around little devices that grant us access to all of the information in the world. The sum total of human knowledge is contained tidily in our pockets. We may choose to use this godlike tool to watch porn and take pictures of our own faces, but the fact remains that none of us have an excuse to be ill-informed. We continue to make reckless and shortsighted decisions as voters not because we lack information, but because we�ve seen the information and don�t care, or perhaps because we don�t care about seeing the information. In both cases, again, the fault is ours and ours alone.

We�re living in the country that we made for ourselves, though I suppose there are some who remain truly blameless. Children, first of all. We�re giving this society to children who�ve done nothing to deserve such a punishment. Beyond them, there may well be a small minority of people who�ve been truly engaged and thoughtful citizens, selfless community members, great parents and spouses, and have all around done everything they possibly could to create a better world. But I know these folks are not in the majority because if they were, we wouldn�t be having this conversation.

You might be in this group, but you�re probably not. And I�m not. I have my own flaws as a man and a citizen, and I don�t want anyone to tell me they aren�t flaws, or they aren�t my fault, or I can�t be blamed for them because I�m a middle class worker fed up with politics as usual. I don�t want to be pat on the head, given a lollipop, and assured that I�m a victim of everything and everyone. I want to be blamed when I am to blame, because to blame someone else is to rob me of my free will.

That said, my flaws notwithstanding, I�m not at all tempted towards the same trap as Sanders fans and Trumplings and Obamabots. I�ve no inclination to mindlessly fawn over a politician. I�ve never in my life taken it personally or become violently angry because someone criticized a candidate I support. I�ve never been a �fan� of a politician. I may find one I can tolerate, but I always remain a fair weather supporter. If the weather turns ugly because of the politician�s own ineptitude or dishonesty, I�ll ditch him on the side of the road without hesitation and look for someone else.

I don�t view my relationship with a politician like I view my relationship with my wife. I�ll vote for someone in the primary, but I�m not bound to him for a lifetime. I haven�t sworn my allegiance to him in sickness and health. He�ll be useful so long as he upholds the Constitution and conducts himself honorably. The moment he stops doing that, he�ll no longer be of any us to me at all. Politicians are utterly disposable and temporary. Actually, they ought to be quite a bit more temporary than they are.

The cultists and Kool-Aid drinkers on both sides of the aisle have a very serious flaw, and this flaw � their propensity towards blind allegiance to political figures � makes them dangerous. In fact, it makes them far more dangerous than the political figures themselves. After all, the worst thing about having Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton as president is living among people who would choose to have Donald Trump or Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton as president.

Our bad choices and our flaws and our sins have brought us here politically, culturally, and in every other sense. That�s the truth. So if you want things in this country to improve, stop whining about the system and look in the mirror. We aren�t the victims, we�re the cause. If America is ever going to be �Great Again,� it has to start with a little personal accountability.

# ? Jan 28, 2016 20:46

Morroque: Mar 6, 2013

fart blood posted:

Front page of CNN is a banner that has this headline:

"Trump taps right's anger over Fox
Network has endured attacks that it's not conservative enough"

I...what?!

Compaction cycle.

# ? Jan 28, 2016 20:47

mr. mephistopheles: Dec 2, 2009

Limbaugh just said "you know I have a very prominent gut, and my gut is telling me it's not over" in reference to Trump I think, but hahahaha.

# ? Jan 28, 2016 20:56

FuzzySkinner: May 23, 2012

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

Sorry sorry, my last Walsh post for the day. His new blog post, highlighting his ignorance, having never ventured outside the echo chamber. Something to remind yourself at the start and end of each paragraph: Matt supports Ted loving Cruz.

The thing that has destroyed "Families" in this country has nothing to do with sex, drugs and rock n'roll.

Rather it has more so to do with the lack of economic opportunities many Americans face and as a result they find themselves losing in a rigged game.

There was a very good documentary that "Frontline" did tackling this problem. Pretty much what ended up causing a divorce was the fact that the father was facing severe unemployment as the result of his union factory job being shipped overseas. There's a loving heroin epidemic in my neck of the woods. You know what likely caused it? Lack of economic opportunities for youth.

The problem is never tackled though by these idiots. In fact it's them and their flawed philosophy that is causing said problem in the first place.They keep selling "BOOTSTRAPS" while the upper class keeps finding ways to cut wages and benefits from normal, hard working americans.

I'm getting really tired being lectured by people that have caused a great deal of problems in this country.

Jurgan posted:

The main danger from Trump is what he's doing to the political process. If he actually got elected, he wouldn't be near as bad as Cruz.

Trump is Ronald Reagan II.

He's not as "dumb" as we all think he is. He knows that his base is full of racist idiots. So what you're seeing right now is him playing to said base and winning them over with ease.

I don't like the man, but I can at least argue at times he (much like Rand Paul) has "Broken clock right twice a day" syndrome. His comments on trade, Iraq, healthcare (allegedly he's for single payer, though he could be full of poo poo), and mocking the koch brothers are at least "things". I cannot say the same for pretty much everyone else in the GOP field.

I don't think he's as sincere about his comments on muslims or hispanics. I think he's saying those things in a calculated way because he knows his idiot base will eat them up. Guess what? They are.

I'm in the Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton camp firmly at this point. But I'd rather have the risk of Trump being president over a good portion of the GOP field. (excluding Kasich).

# ? Jan 28, 2016 21:08

N. Senada: May 17, 2011; My kidneys are busted

FuzzySkinner posted:

I'm in the Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton camp firmly at this point. But I'd rather have the risk of Trump being president over a good portion of the GOP field. (excluding Kasich).

As a fellow white guy, same

# ? Jan 28, 2016 21:50

nachos: Jun 27, 2004; Wario Chalmers! WAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Why are Matt Walsh's blog posts so goddamn long

# ? Jan 28, 2016 21:55

Elephant Ambush: Nov 13, 2012; ...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?; Nap Ghost

nachos posted:

Why are Matt Walsh's blog posts so goddamn long

He is mentally ill.

Also please seek help for your ADHD. Reading a lot of words shouldn't be hard or a bad thing.

Unless it's blog posts from an insane person.

# ? Jan 28, 2016 21:56

apatheticman: May 13, 2003; Wedge Regret

Jurgan posted:

As opposed to cancer, which_____________

Effects men

# ? Jan 28, 2016 22:12

Thump!: Nov 25, 2007; Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!

nachos posted:

Why are Matt Walsh's blog posts so goddamn long

He's a pretentious shitfucker who has a far too high opinion of himself.

# ? Jan 28, 2016 22:15

fart blood: Sep 13, 2008; by VideoGames

Jurgan posted:

You're adorable.

It just blows my mind...what do these people want?!

# ? Jan 28, 2016 22:47

beatlegs: Mar 11, 2001

FuzzySkinner posted:

I'm in the Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton camp firmly at this point. But I'd rather have the risk of Trump being president over a good portion of the GOP field. (excluding Kasich).

Any Republican in the white house would mean we're hosed. They'd control everything.

# ? Jan 28, 2016 22:52

Unzip and Attack: Mar 3, 2008; USPOL May

Jurgan posted:

As opposed to cancer, which_____________

God's Plan� is mysterious and unknowable unless it supports my hatred for ________. At that point it's Objective Truth and if you don't agree with it you're a nihilist.

# ? Jan 28, 2016 22:55

Dead Cosmonaut: Nov 14, 2015; by FactsAreUseless

Trump is unironically a fascist. As prophetical as all the bullshit Walsh and the media are peddling, they're sort of right. People like Trump don't get this close unless something is wrong. It's the moral and ideological obligation of anyone in this thread to prevent him from getting into office.

e: And don't go off comparing him to Ronald Reagan. For all of his chucklefuck tough guy foreign policy chat, he was firmly in the establishment's grasp the entire time. He had a guy who was a former director for the CIA as his VP pick.

# ? Jan 28, 2016 22:57

Intel&Sebastian: Oct 20, 2002; colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!

Rick Perlstein, of Nixonland fame, dropped "ethnic cleansing" on Trump in a Slate interview recently in reference to his deportation plans.

It's not a fringe idea to say he's a fascist or whatever other more clear word you want to use for racist, populist strongman with no sense of dignity and a lot of scary plans for the populace.

# ? Jan 28, 2016 23:16

Magres: Jul 14, 2011

fart blood posted:

It just blows my mind...what do these people want?!

They dont know

Theyre scared and angry and have no idea what they want, other than someone to tell them "I'll make it better. Don't ask how I SAID I'LL MAKE IT BETTER SO I WILL" and to have someone to blame their problems on.

# ? Jan 28, 2016 23:19

FuzzySkinner: May 23, 2012

Dead Cosmonaut posted:

Trump is unironically a fascist. As prophetical as all the bullshit Walsh and the media are peddling, they're sort of right. People like Trump don't get this close unless something is wrong. It's the moral and ideological obligation of anyone in this thread to prevent him from getting into office.

e: And don't go off comparing him to Ronald Reagan. For all of his chucklefuck tough guy foreign policy chat, he was firmly in the establishment's grasp the entire time. He had a guy who was a former director for the CIA as his VP pick.

oh I'm not doubting that for a second.

Like I said, I very much said that my vote is firmly for whomever wins the democratic nomination.

beatlegs posted:

Any Republican in the white house would mean we're hosed. They'd control everything.

Yes. The democrats need to take office in order to ensure the next supreme court nominees are not GOP.

I'm just saying. I want Ted Cruz's political career to be down to shilling on Fox News. The sooner that happens? The better.

# ? Jan 28, 2016 23:32

mr. mephistopheles: Dec 2, 2009

That's giving them too little credit. They want peace through homogeneity. They want a country of heterosexual conservative white Christians and for everyone who isn't that to either die or gently caress off somewhere far away and keep to themselves. These ideas are socially unpalatable so they obfuscate with increasingly more complicated mazes of rhetorical bullshit that make their motives seem pure and morally righteous because in the fantasy narrative that is their lives it is impossible for them to be the "bad guy" or even possess any of the qualities that are associated with that archetype.

# ? Jan 28, 2016 23:35

Epic High Five: Jun 5, 2004

Fertility clinics both create and destroy a shitload of viable embryos, that's killing babies AND playing god, but you never hear anybody go on about that. A lot of private practices will also perform them but it's a lot more expensive and you need insurance. Status? Still not picketed and shot up.

That's why people say it's a war on women or class warfare.

# ? Jan 28, 2016 23:47

PhazonLink: Jul 17, 2010

Pander posted:

The Walshes and Crowders are the RW talking head equivalent of girls looking for sugar daddies. They want a Hannity-senpai to notice them and give them lots of guest visits so they can write a book and collect that sweet sweet wingnut welfare.

Reminder , Crowder insulting Hannity-senpai is what got him kicked off Fox News after his 1st TV appearance.

# ? Jan 28, 2016 23:49

ToxicSlurpee: Nov 5, 2003; -=SEND HELP=-; Pillbug

Epic High Five posted:

Fertility clinics both create and destroy a shitload of viable embryos, that's killing babies AND playing god, but you never hear anybody go on about that. A lot of private practices will also perform them but it's a lot more expensive and you need insurance. Status? Still not picketed and shot up.

That's why people say it's a war on women or class warfare.

Planned Parenthood is also huge. They have...I think over 700 clinics or so which makes it a convenient rallying cry. I think they may even be the biggest reproductive health organization in general. Everybody knows who they are so refusing to shut the gently caress up about them reaches a lot of people.

# ? Jan 28, 2016 23:50

Despera: Jun 6, 2011

I love the conservative school of thought, that if we all bothered to do rational thinking we also would be conservatives.

# ? Jan 28, 2016 23:57

an skeleton: Apr 23, 2012; scowls @ u

FuzzySkinner posted:

The thing that has destroyed "Families" in this country has nothing to do with sex, drugs and rock n'roll.

Rather it has more so to do with the lack of economic opportunities many Americans face and as a result they find themselves losing in a rigged game.

There was a very good documentary that "Frontline" did tackling this problem. Pretty much what ended up causing a divorce was the fact that the father was facing severe unemployment as the result of his union factory job being shipped overseas. There's a loving heroin epidemic in my neck of the woods. You know what likely caused it? Lack of economic opportunities for youth.

The problem is never tackled though by these idiots. In fact it's them and their flawed philosophy that is causing said problem in the first place.They keep selling "BOOTSTRAPS" while the upper class keeps finding ways to cut wages and benefits from normal, hard working americans.

I'm getting really tired being lectured by people that have caused a great deal of problems in this country.

Trump is Ronald Reagan II.

He's not as "dumb" as we all think he is. He knows that his base is full of racist idiots. So what you're seeing right now is him playing to said base and winning them over with ease.

I don't like the man, but I can at least argue at times he (much like Rand Paul) has "Broken clock right twice a day" syndrome. His comments on trade, Iraq, healthcare (allegedly he's for single payer, though he could be full of poo poo), and mocking the koch brothers are at least "things". I cannot say the same for pretty much everyone else in the GOP field.

I don't think he's as sincere about his comments on muslims or hispanics. I think he's saying those things in a calculated way because he knows his idiot base will eat them up. Guess what? They are.

I'm in the Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton camp firmly at this point. But I'd rather have the risk of Trump being president over a good portion of the GOP field. (excluding Kasich).

Agreed. Except on the Kasich thing. If I had to have a repub, I'd take Trump (for the reasons you've stated) or Paul. Kasich just seems like a slightly-watered down version of the rest of them -- at least Paul would look out for civil liberties (maybe)

# ? Jan 29, 2016 00:07

Tender Bender: Sep 17, 2004

beatlegs posted:

Any Republican in the white house would mean we're hosed. They'd control everything.

Seriously. I know everyone says this about their political opponents all the time... But republicans are really well positioned to gently caress up the country irreparably. Social safety nets, worker's rights, abortion, healthcare, efforts to stop destroying the planet, they can gently caress up all of that very quickly. Not to mention turning the supreme court staunchly conservative for decades.

# ? Jan 29, 2016 00:45

FMguru: Sep 10, 2003; peed on;
sexually

mr. mephistopheles posted:

That's giving them too little credit. They want peace through homogeneity. They want a country of heterosexual conservative white Christians and for everyone who isn't that to either die or gently caress off somewhere far away and keep to themselves. These ideas are socially unpalatable so they obfuscate with increasingly more complicated mazes of rhetorical bullshit that make their motives seem pure and morally righteous because in the fantasy narrative that is their lives it is impossible for them to be the "bad guy" or even possess any of the qualities that are associated with that archetype.

Yep.

My favorite aspect of Trumpism is the amount of support he's getting from evangelical Christians and various "family values" types. The man has been married three times, fucks models on the reg, and can't name more than three books of the Bible, but he seems like he'll give a good kicking to homos and messicans and towelheads, and it turns out that's what actually matters to these people. Really shows what these people are really about.

# ? Jan 29, 2016 00:51

Rhesus Pieces: Jun 27, 2005

FMguru posted:

Yep.

My favorite aspect of Trumpism is the amount of support he's getting from evangelical Christians and various "family values" types. The man has been married three times, fucks models on the reg, and can't name more than three books of the Bible, but he seems like he'll give a good kicking to homos and messicans and towelheads, and it turns out that's what actually matters to these people. Really shows what these people are really about.

Yeah, a lot of people have been showing their true colors lately and it's been refreshing if not totally surprising. Trump's "Mexican rapists" comment, stated out loud, was seen by so many people as a green light to skip all the social niceties and just let their worst impulses take over.

# ? Jan 29, 2016 01:06

Nckdictator: Sep 8, 2006; Just..someone

FMguru posted:

Yep.

My favorite aspect of Trumpism is the amount of support he's getting from evangelical Christians and various "family values" types. The man has been married three times, fucks models on the reg, and can't name more than three books of the Bible, but he seems like he'll give a good kicking to homos and messicans and towelheads, and it turns out that's what actually matters to these people. Really shows what these people are really about.

'Eh, there is a slight backlash in Evangelical circles, even among the sort of people would would normally vote straight Republican.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/jerry-falwell-jr-endorses-trump-218238#ixzz3yOMRjy2Y

quote:

Jerry Falwell Jr.�s endorsement of Donald Trump on Tuesday was swiftly met with a backlash from other Christian conservatives sounding the alarm about what they see as a dangerous candidate with questionable morals.

While the official backing of Trump wasn�t a big surprise � Falwell had heaped praise on Trump last week when he spoke at Liberty University � it came during a fraught time, as many are waking up to the real possibility that Trump could win Iowa next week and embark on a glide path to the nomination.

John Stemberger, president of the Florida Family Policy Council, invoked Falwell�s dad, the founder of Liberty University, in his warning, saying the elder Falwell would be aghast at the Republican poll leader.

�The late Dr. Jerry Falwell Sr. would be rolling over in his grave if he knew the son who bore his name had endorsed the most immoral and ungodly man to ever run for President of the United States,� Stemberger said in a statement provided to POLITICO. �It is one thing to allow the free exchange of ideas, even bad ideas, among college students on a Christian campus. It is quite another to give a glowing endorsement-like introduction calling Donald Trump ... This in no way represents the legacy of Dr. Jerry Falwell, Sr.�

Penny Nance, CEO and president of Concerned Women for America, a conservative coalition that describes itself as promoting Biblical values, said she �strongly� disagrees with the endorsement.

Nance, who graduated from Liberty and currently has a daughter there, told POLITICO that she loves the school and respects Falwell, but said, �I have deep concerns about Donald Trump�s commitment to life and his respect for women.�

She signed on to an open letter from a number of social conservative leaders addressed to Iowa voters on Tuesday that pleaded, �As pro-life women leaders from Iowa and across the nation, we urge Republican caucus-goers and voters to support anyone but Donald Trump.

Nance told POLITICO that while Christianity is about forgiveness and while they are always happy for people to switch their views from pro-abortion rights to anti-abortion rights, Trump�s lack of explanation on certain views concerns her.

�Ronald Reagan changed his mind on abortion. We appreciate and want people to change their minds if they�re not pro-life but unfortunately when asked deeper questions he has been unable and unwilling to specify some really key issues like judges,� Nance said. She pointed to the fact that Trump said his that his sister, who is a senior judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 3rd Circuit, would be a �phenomenal� choice for the Supreme Court, with Nance noting that �she�s extremely pro-abortion.�

Falwell�s endorsement of Trump came as he gains traction with evangelical voters, a crucial constituency in Iowa, despite his shifting record on abortion rights, and his bombastic statements about his bible collection. Trump, who is an avowed Presbyterian, has made more of a showing in recent months of attending church and playing up his religious views.

There are signs it�s paying off. A new NBC News/Survey Monkey weekly online tracking poll out Tuesday shows that Trump has 37 percent of the support of evangelicals, nearly double Texas Sen. Ted Cruz's 20 percent.

Falwell, in a statement on Tuesday, spoke effusively of Trump. �I am proud to offer my endorsement of Donald J. Trump for President of the United States. He is a successful executive and entrepreneur, a wonderful father and a man who I believe can lead our country to greatness again.�

It followed the glowing words Falwell delivered last week at Lliberty. When introducing Trump at the event, Falwell said that the school did not endorse candidates and pointed to speakers from both sides of the aisle who had appeared. But he then heaped on the praise. �In my opinion, Donald Trump lives a life of loving and helping others as Jesus taught in the great commandment,� he said.

�He cannot be bought, he's not a puppet on a string like many other candidates ... who have wealthy donors as their puppet masters,� he said. �And that is a key reason why so many voters are attracted to him.�

Trump warmly embraced the endorsement. �It is truly an honor to receive Jerry�s endorsement. Not only is he a high quality person, with a wonderful family, whom I have great respect for � I also consider him a very good friend and his support means so much to me,� he said in a statement.

But others responded with great concern. Prominent evangelical leader Russell Moore started his warnings last week, sending out a series of tweets condemning Falwell's comments when he introduced Trump.

"Trading in the gospel of Jesus Christ for political power is not liberty but slavery," one tweet said. "Evangelicals can love a golden calf, as long as Aaron promises to make Mexico pay for it," another read.

On Tuesday he took to social media again to make his point, retweeting a tweet from Jewish magazine Commentary editor John Podhoretz that said, "I'm working on a theory-we're here b/c we're two generations into cable era. Before then, reception was lousy, so you had to read a little." Moore followed with a tweet of his own directed at Podhoretz in which he commented, "exactly."

And even while Trump was boasting about the support of Falwell, he was busy alienating another who has thrown his support behind Cruz. Trump dedicated a good portion of his Twitter energy on Tuesday to Bob Vander Plaats, the CEO of the social conservative organization The Family Leader.

"Why doesn't phony @bobvanderplaats tell his followers all the times he asked for him and his family to stay at my hotels-didn't like paying," Trump tweeted, following with,"@bobvanderplaats begged me to do an event while asking organizers for $100,000 for himself�a bad guy!" a couple hours later.

Vander Plaats was asked about the tweets by Wolf Blitzer on CNN Tuesday.

�That�s Trump being Trump, his friendship comes with strings," Vander Plaats said. �He was very insistent to me and my wife in regards to a couple times we went to New York. Make sure you stay at my place, I�ll put you up and all that. But what bothers him is I�m not willing to give him my endorsement over that. �

�I still consider Donald Trump a friend because my friendship doesn�t come with strings,� he added, saying that the attacks were a sign Trump was "desperate" because he "sees he's probably going to lose Iowa.� Vander Plaats wouldn't commit to voting for Trump if he is the Republican nominee.

# ? Jan 29, 2016 01:10

Intel&Sebastian: Oct 20, 2002; colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!

There's a very large difference between opposing someone and feeling bad about eventually having to support someone in front of a reporter.

# ? Jan 29, 2016 01:15

Intel&Sebastian: Oct 20, 2002; colonel...
i'm trying to sneak around
but i'm dummy thicc
and the clap of my ass cheeks
keeps alerting the guards!

And you can trust me because ill be doing it for Hillary in november

# ? Jan 29, 2016 01:17

VitalSigns: Sep 3, 2011

quote:

�He cannot be bought, he's not a puppet on a string like many other candidates ... who have wealthy donors as their puppet masters,� he said. �And that is a key reason why so many voters are attracted to him.�

I've seen this argument for Trump a lot and it's so bizarre and interesting to me.

If Trump were donating a bunch of money to another candidate he'd be an evil puppetmaster pulling the strings on a politician who is willing to sell out America. But if the rich dude just runs for office so he can directly make the laws he wants to see then he's incorruptible!

It's so odd. For any law you could pay a president to sign, it would be way easier to just sign it yourself if you ARE the president.

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# ? Jun 7, 2024 12:39

Epic High Five: Jun 5, 2004

VitalSigns posted:

I've seen this argument for Trump a lot and it's so bizarre and interesting to me.

If Trump were donating a bunch of money to another candidate he'd be an evil puppetmaster pulling the strings on a politician who is willing to sell out America. But if the rich dude just runs for office so he can directly make the laws he wants to see then he's incorruptible!

It's so odd. For any law you could pay a president to sign, it would be way easier to just sign it yourself if you ARE the president.

He's not bought, he's the one that does the buying!

Like that's better somehow

# ? Jan 29, 2016 02:17

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