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So have the last guys been arrested or are we still just talking about SovCits in general?
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Pretty sure when the feds say "Free to leave" they don't mean amnesty, which is going to be hilariously heartbreaking when the hammer comes down on them.
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ToastyPotato posted:Pretty sure when the feds say "Free to leave" they don't mean amnesty, which is going to be hilariously heartbreaking when the hammer comes down on them. Probably not amnesty since they'll be put on watch lists for the rest of their lives, but it sounds like they're letting the people who haven't made specific threats on camera or have been overtly in charge or have outstanding warrants go home. This is pretty much the FBI right now since they've never really been interested in going after the smaller fish unless there is an airtight case already in place against them or it leads to bigger fish.
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Who What Now posted:So have the last guys been arrested or are we still just talking about SovCits in general? Mostly just chatting about them, Ammon is using some language that is a bit sovcit-ish in his press statement. Last handful are headed towards giving up, I think.
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nm posted:He also likes em young ha so thats why he isnt a prosecutor any more. I figured he just wanted to make more money. Nevermind, go nuts guy.
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Kazak_Hstan posted:ha so thats why he isnt a prosecutor any more. I figured he just wanted to make more money. "The government can't control me" and "I want to sleep with teenagers" have about the highest correlation of anything ever
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So there's 4 people left at the refuge now? Of course I miss all the live streams and prank calls when the poo poo finally went down. ...did they leave the dildos behind?
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theflyingorc posted:"The government can't control me" and "I want to sleep with teenagers" have about the highest correlation of anything ever Isn't there a pretty large segment of pedophiles involved in libertarian / sovcit circles because they want to see the age of consent lowered or even eliminated?
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Kazak_Hstan posted:ha so thats why he isnt a prosecutor any more. I figured he just wanted to make more money. Someone posted the police report in this thread somewhere. It is hilarious and involves myspace stalking.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:If bundy says "I want you to put this statement out" and refuses to relent, does the lawyer have to do so? No, he does not. A criminal defense attorney retains control of matters of strategy. That is, if a client insists that the lawyer cite a certain case in a motion to suppress, or whatever, the lawyer does not have to do that. Same for things like lines of questioning on direct / cross. If / when Ammon tells him to quiz the FBI SAC on what exactly different parts of the con-sti-tu-tion mean, he doesn't have to do that either. What a criminal defense attorney does not have discretion on, are things that implicate fundamental rights. For instance, the defense attorney has to grant the client's wish to go to trial, take a plea (or, for that matter, a defense lawyer is required to inform the client of a proposed plea, whether he thinks his client will take it or not), and whether to testify at trial. But things like "you go out there on those court house steps, and you tell the MEDIA that the judge is an ADMIRAL AND A human being," no the lawyer does not have to do that. That's when you tell your client to fire you and go get a lawyer they actually want, and the judge laughs and says "no, you're not withdrawing until he has another lawyer, because I don't want to deal with an out of control pro se defendant." It gets dicey when your client makes it clear he is going to perjure himself and insists he is going to testify. You can't tell him he can't testify, and you can't ask him question you know he will tell lies in response to because of your ethical obligation of candor to the court. So you basically put him on the stand and say "ok client, tell the jury your story." This is of course after you move to withdraw, and when the judge asks why you say you cannot say, because of course you cannot say "well here are the specific lies my client told me he is going to tell you all," so instead has to default to "I cannot meet my ethical obligations in this case." And the judge again denies the motion because he doesn't want an unrepresented client. For the sake of the kiddy diddling defense attorney, i hope he got a really big retainer because Ammon Bundy will be a terrible client. I guess it could wind up working out for him if Ammon decides to roll on a bunch of people, but right now he's the biggest fish and you don't trade sharks for tuna.
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Takoluka posted:I hope we woke people up to the Constitution. What I learned more is that the FBI is a terrific federal body and should receive more funding, particularly to enable it to investigate and pursue right wing terrorist groups.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Isn't there a pretty large segment of pedophiles involved in libertarian / sovcit circles because they want to see the age of consent lowered or even eliminated? Two annoying libertarians in law school made that argument to me. I don't think enough of them do to paint the whole bunch with the label, but I've heard it more than once so
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Perfectly Safe posted:What I learned more is that the FBI is a terrific federal body and should receive more funding, particularly to enable it to investigate and pursue right wing terrorist groups. Man do I have some bad news for you. http://www.wired.com/2012/08/dhs/ Kazak_Hstan posted:Two annoying libertarians in law school made that argument to me. I don't think enough of them do to paint the whole bunch with the label, but I've heard it more than once so I wasn't saying most libertarian / sovcit people are pedophiles, just that the movement attracts pedophiles in large numbers because of their stance on the age of consent.
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Yeah, the "your rules don't apply to me crowd" tend to be people who want to do things the rules prohibit, so they tend to be in favor of some things that society more or less by definition disapproves of.
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lol @ everyone itt jerking off the FBI. I mean, they are easily one of the most incompetent federal law enforcment agencies historically.
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cravius posted:lol @ everyone itt jerking off the FBI. I mean, they are easily one of the most incompetent federal law enforcment agencies historically. 96.4% of the people they go after would disagree with you there.
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cravius posted:lol @ everyone itt jerking off the FBI. I mean, they are easily one of the most incompetent federal law enforcment agencies historically. You calling Fox Mulder incompetent? 
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They just took down the White ISIS, though.
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MariusLecter posted:You calling Fox Mulder incompetent? How many cases was he actually able to bring to trial?
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As a Millennial I posted:They just took down the White ISIS, though. Ranch Davidiots, please.
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Stultus Maximus posted:How many cases was he actually able to bring to trial? Do you smoke?
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cravius posted:lol @ everyone itt jerking off the FBI. I mean, they are easily one of the most incompetent federal law enforcment agencies historically. no, no they really aren't. Yes, they've had high profile mistakes. But on the whole, they're incredible
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A Winner is Jew posted:Isn't there a pretty large segment of pedophiles involved in libertarian / sovcit circles because they want to see the age of consent lowered or even eliminated? Reddit's a huge  defender. Or they were. Maybe the leadership is finally of the mindset that things like /r/jailbait were in fact really awful things for admins to allow and defend.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Pretty much. If you're being made to show ID to the FBI then even if you aren't getting arrested you're still getting added to a bunch of watchlists and if you are found loving around at any future poo poo like this they are going to drop the hammer on you. I mean that they're literally going to go back and arrest all of these people for their actions on the refuge. At this point the feds appear to be collecting charges and information sufficient to (if they really want to) apply RICO. "go home" doesn't mean "we won't arrest you for all of this". nm posted:He also likes em young Emphasis mine: quote:C. MICHAEL ARNOLD 
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cravius posted:lol @ everyone itt jerking off the FBI. I mean, they are easily one of the most incompetent federal law enforcment agencies historically. Which federal law enforcement agencies would you credit as being most competent?
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A Winner is Jew posted:No, he's a loving idiot that can't even manage a 1 KDR on an FPS game. The one true measure of someone's personal worth and intelligence. Evil Fluffy posted:I think I missed something, why is that guy the only one being charged? Are they the one who was on film openly threatening to murder the feds or what? Probably he has some kind of history that the others don't. The first people to get arrested were people who had outstanding prior warrants, don't forget.
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cravius posted:lol @ everyone itt jerking off the FBI. I mean, they are easily one of the most incompetent federal law enforcment agencies historically. Um, name one better?
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Svanja posted:Lol What the hell. Have the Patriots hit the forums? I can tell I have Boston traumatic stress disorder because I assumed this was something about deflategate
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Kazak_Hstan posted:No, he does not. A criminal defense attorney retains control of matters of strategy. That is, if a client insists that the lawyer cite a certain case in a motion to suppress, or whatever, the lawyer does not have to do that. Same for things like lines of questioning on direct / cross. If / when Ammon tells him to quiz the FBI SAC on what exactly different parts of the con-sti-tu-tion mean, he doesn't have to do that either. I'm kinda wishing that the lawyer was obligated to do this, because it would be funny as gently caress.
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Grem posted:Um, name one better? NIST Police.
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Main Paineframe posted:The one true measure of someone's personal worth and intelligence. Yeah? I've seen enough from Black Ops to world of tanks, your stats directly correlate to whether or not you are a mouth breathing moron.
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Evil Fluffy posted:I think I missed something, why is that guy the only one being charged? Are they the one who was on film openly threatening to murder the feds or what? Yes, he wasn't just camping yesterday. On a note completely unrelated to the difficult and somewhat confusing ethical quandary that the remaining occupiers have been put in - 3 of you are ok but we're arresting #4 - the gentlemen currently in federal custody are unlikely to make bail if the occupation at the refuge is still going on. The detention hearing is tomorrow. Evil Fluffy posted:Considering he's their source for a lot of what's being used to charge Bundy and co that's probably already a thing. He's either going to be seen as a plant or outright traitor. I just kinda assumed that, in his first interview, Pete would lock eyes with the feds and make it crystal loving clear that he would tell them absolutely anything. I can't be alone in this. So yeah, if Pete gets out, then he can expect plenty of empty death threats from people with a grade school command of the english language.
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Main Paineframe posted:Probably he has some kind of history that the others don't. The first people to get arrested were people who had outstanding prior warrants, don't forget.
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nm posted:Someone posted the police report in this thread somewhere. hah, you're not wrong. quote:"[City Prosecutor] said he thought, for Michael Arnold to hit on a defendant the second day on the job was a breach of trust ..."
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Saw the interview on NPR mentioned earlier. NPR have a link of it up yet? Searched OPB's site and didn't find anything specific about the interview.
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http://www.justice.gov/usao-md/pr/former-nist-police-officer-sentenced-attempting-manufacture-methamphetamine-causing-0 Like everyone else here I had to google NIST. The subhead we for that press release is worth the click.
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A Winner is Jew posted:96.4% of the people they go after would disagree with you there. That statistic doesn't mean what you think it means. It means, of people charged, that many were convicted - but that just means that when they don't have enough evidence they don't charge in the first place.
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