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Grem posted:NIST also handles what like a tenth of the workload the FBI does? NIST are the guys who manage standards of various sorts, like weights, measurements and timekeeping. For instance time.gov is the official time of the United States and they run that server.
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Kazak_Hstan posted:No, he does not. A criminal defense attorney retains control of matters of strategy. That is, if a client insists that the lawyer cite a certain case in a motion to suppress, or whatever, the lawyer does not have to do that. Same for things like lines of questioning on direct / cross. If / when Ammon tells him to quiz the FBI SAC on what exactly different parts of the con-sti-tu-tion mean, he doesn't have to do that either.
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4 people left. 1 has an outstanding warrant and is loving insane so he will probably go down shooting, don't know about the rest.
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"An Admiral and a human being" is my favorite 1980s Navy romance movie.
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Abner Cadaver II posted:"An Admiral and a human being" is my favorite 1980s Navy romance movie. Not to be confused with the 1980's Navy romantic movie "An Airman and a human being".
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Of the four people left, I'm aware of the screaming guy with the warrant (Sean Anderson), his wife, and David Fry. Do we have any details on the fourth guy?
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As a Millennial I posted:Of the four people left, I'm aware of the screaming guy with the warrant (Sean Anderson), his wife, and David Fry. Do we have any details on the fourth guy? A, John James Rambo. Supposed Vietnam vet and green beret. Records sealed by Raegan.
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Grem posted:Um, name one better? DEA
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sparatuvs posted:4 people left. 1 has an outstanding warrant and is loving insane so he will probably go down shooting, don't know about the rest. What, Tubby Tubberson? The guy's an utter coward, he's got his wife and unborn child there and he's neither insisted that she go nor given himself up to ensure that she's safe. There's only one thing that he'll be firing off, and it's not rounds.
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Perfectly Safe posted:What, Tubby Tubberson? The guy's an utter coward, he's got his wife and unborn child there and he's neither insisted that she go nor given himself up to ensure that she's safe. There's only one thing that he'll be firing off, and it's not rounds. Goes by the name Hambo.
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I feel really bad for whatever public defender(s) draw the short straw and have to defend Ryan Bundy and the rest. They are going to be trying to pull all sorts of SovCit BS and a couple might even insist on defending themselves pro se. I feel like whoever draws Pete Santilli will be the lucky one though, as I'm certain that Pete is singing like a canary and is all about cutting a plea deal. If that happens I doubt it will be a particularly good bargain for Pete though, he might be offered nothing more than a more comfortable concrete box to spend the rest of his life in Comedy Opti9n; Peye's broadcasts are so damming that the FBI doesn't see any need to cut any deals, so they just throw the book at all of them and call it a day.
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As a Millennial I posted:Of the four people left, I'm aware of the screaming guy with the warrant (Sean Anderson), his wife, and David Fry. Do we have any details on the fourth guy? An OPB reporter says his name is Jeff Banta. Sean won't go to jail for the life of his pregnant wife, oh my god. Lycus fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Jan 28, 2016 |
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Prester Jane posted:I feel really bad for whatever public defender(s) draw the short straw and have to defend Ryan Bundy and the rest. They are going to be trying to pull all sorts of SovCit BS and a couple might even insist on defending themselves pro se. So if the guy cooperating is getting life, what do you anticipate the sentences for the rest of them to be?
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1337JiveTurkey posted:NIST are the guys who manage standards of various sorts, like weights, measurements and timekeeping. For instance time.gov is the official time of the United States and they run that server. They also have a police force for some reason  DEA...the war on drugs has been going pretty great!
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Prester Jane posted:I feel really bad for whatever public defender(s) draw the short straw and have to defend Ryan Bundy and the rest. They are going to be trying to pull all sorts of SovCit BS and a couple might even insist on defending themselves pro se. none of them have been charged with crimes that would come close to life in prison, and while the various crimes they have committed could add up to quite a while if served consecutively, they won't be
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Prester Jane posted:Comedy Opti9n; Peye's broadcasts are so damming that the FBI doesn't see any need to cut any deals, so they just throw the book at all of them and call it a day.
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Prester Jane posted:I feel really bad for whatever public defender(s) draw the short straw and have to defend Ryan Bundy and the rest. They are going to be trying to pull all sorts of SovCit BS and a couple might even insist on defending themselves pro se. Pete's case is going to be the most interesting because we might get to see just how far Freedom of the Press will stretch. Surely not as far as he thinks, but it sounds like that's the road he's taking all the way to the end.
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Grem posted:They also have a police force for some reason They execute their investigations in a more effective manner. HTH friend!
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I wish I had more free time, I'd be editing some of the streams audio into scenes from The Wire  sooooo many opportunities for a good "guy from interstellar watches x" style vids.
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Grem posted:Um, name one better? USPIS 
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Grem posted:Pete's case is going to be the most interesting because we might get to see just how far Freedom of the Press will stretch. Surely not as far as he thinks, but it sounds like that's the road he's taking all the way to the end. Yeah, I think he'd have had a better chance had he not been instructing Cooper on what to do on the phone just before he was arrested. That really was a moment when he was demonstrably all the way inside the group and in a position of authority.
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Perfectly Safe posted:What, Tubby Tubberson? The guy's an utter coward, he's got his wife and unborn child there and he's neither insisted that she go nor given himself up to ensure that she's safe. There's only one thing that he'll be firing off, and it's not rounds. The guy who called for everyone to rise up and kill anyone who tried to stop them coming to the refuge?
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sparatuvs posted:The guy who called for everyone to rise up and kill anyone who tried to stop them coming to the refuge? Formerly. Currently Tubby "We were just camping. We didn't hurt nobody" Tubberson.
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Perfectly Safe posted:So yeah, if Pete gets out, then he can expect plenty of empty death threats from people with a grade school command of the english language. Optimist.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Not to be confused with the 1980's Navy romantic movie "An Airman and a human being". Please be top gun please be top gun please be top gu yessssss
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Grem posted:Pete's case is going to be the most interesting because we might get to see just how far Freedom of the Press will stretch. Surely not as far as he thinks, but it sounds like that's the road he's taking all the way to the end. The SCOTUS would 9-0 rule against Pete if he could appeal enough to reach them. He was very much an active part of the occupation and not someone who was there to report. While I'm sure the FBI wants to thank him for producing tons of video evidence they can use to prosecute the Bundy bros and others it doesn't absolve him of his very clear involvement or his attempts to be a leader in the activity.
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sparatuvs posted:The guy who called for everyone to rise up and kill anyone who tried to stop them coming to the refuge? Yes, we're talking about the same guy. The guy who today is pretending that they're just camping because things have got a tiny, tiny bit more real. The extraordinarily cowardly guy. As it turns out, there are rather a lot of people in the militia movement who have constructed tough guy personae for themselves that crumble under the least bit of pressure.
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"Airmen" are in the USAF, Navy plane drivers are "aviators." That's literally the only thing I know about the military.
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A Winner is Jew posted:Not to be confused with the 1980's Navy romantic movie "An Airman and a human being". Homoerotic Volleyball and Some Planes (1986)
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As a Millennial I posted:"Airmen" are in the USAF, Navy plane drivers are "aviators." That's literally the only thing I know about the military. Which means that you're still better informed than III% of those yeehawdists.
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Perfectly Safe posted:Yes, we're talking about the same guy. The guy who today is pretending that they're just camping because things have got a tiny, tiny bit more real. The extraordinarily cowardly guy. I just want to reiterate that Tubby Tubberson is the best part of this entire shitshow, will be the part that most people remember, and is really the embodiment of the entire movement. Maybe only 5% are actually willing to die for the cause like Tarp Bro, the rest are just bloviating cowards. I just can't get over how quickly he changed his tune once he realized the calvary wasn't coming and there was no way for him to win. Because the calvary is just as chickenshit as he is. Every idiot patriot talks a big game on Facebook, but none of them lifted a finger when they actually had the chance to 'revolt' or whatever.
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Grem posted:Pete's case is going to be the most interesting because we might get to see just how far Freedom of the Press will stretch. Surely not as far as he thinks, but it sounds like that's the road he's taking all the way to the end.
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I oppose life in prison for all crimes, and I think it's a travesty if any of these people get anything close to it. Some goons whining earlier about the max sentence for the initial charge being six years need somekind of perspective alignment. Six years is an insanely long time in loving prison and is around the max time anyone would spend in prison for anything in more civilized countries. Maybe people find it a "slap On the wrist" when other sentences are loving insanities of decades, but no one sits in federal prison for six years and thinks how easy they got off. I despise these yokels as much as anyone and view them as domestic terrorists. Still, they deserve human and sensible sentences which this country doesn't do in its retardation. Vahakyla fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Jan 28, 2016 |
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cravius posted:So if the guy cooperating is getting life, what do you anticipate the sentences for the rest of them to be? IANAL so I am just taking a swing in the dark here. I don't expect Pete to get a literal life sentence, but at 47 years old a 25-30 year sentence is pretty much a life sentence. As for the others, hard to say and I think that really depends on just what went down at the refuge that we don't know about yet. On top of the obvious stuff like standing around with guns on federal property, a bunch of them harassed locals and made threats, they destroyed an rear end load of public property. They almost certainly damaged Native American archaeological sights. (One of the fences they tore down to build a road was specifically to keep Malheur workers from walking through/driving over several identifies sites) They brought explosives onto the compound and I expect that at least one rear end in a top hat tried to make an IED. They hacked into government computers and filmed themselves doing it. There are almost certainly numerous illegal firearms/modifications/mils url supplies that only came out of their hiding place because their owners thought this was the start of the rebellion they had been saving them for. And there are almost certainly other crimes that we haven't even thought of that they committed while they were at the refuge. I expect some of the guys in their 30's might see daylight again, but Ammon/Ryan are probably going away forever. On top of that, there is a very good chance that their SovCit shenanigans will probably piss off the judge/sabotage whatever defense they might have had. Ammon has already poo poo in the punch bowl when he called his wife and told her that tarpman had been executed while surrendering with his hands up. (Which is causing so much outrage/heightened security concerns that the FBI is currently mulling over releasing the video footage, something they normally would not do.) In short the FBI is very likely to bring the hammer down on this one. Not only are these guys criminals, but they have done a bunch of the poo poo that particularly pissed off the Feds.
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Vahakyla posted:I oppose life in prison for all crimes, and I think it's a travesty if any of these people get anything close to it. It could be, that for some people, the purpose of life is to serve as a warning to others.
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That's right. We get tough on crime. ...literally no one on the outside goes "oh only six years? Worth it, my turn"
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Vahakyla posted:That's right. We get tough on crime. Tell us more about the sort of light sentence you'd have given someone like McVeigh.  (Don't do this, because we don't care)
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