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oh my god they did it, they loving did it they acknowledged how creepy Hawkman was and then shoved him out a figurative airlock This is now the best show on television. Plus, Jackson is actually showing character now! Granted it's "busts on Stein non-stop" but that's enough in my book!
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I am going to be legit disapointed if they bring back Hawkman. Partly because it cheapens death in a show that already has two characters who got miracle ressurected (if you count Ray) and two because Carter is a useless uncharasmatic rear end in a top hat and scenes with him and Hawkgirl have been the worst part of the 4 whole episodes they have shared together.
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Jan 29, 2016 05:24
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The guy playing Hawkman was billed as a guest role, so he won't be coming back. Maybe we'll see him again in past lives for an episode or two, but pulling him out the timeline is a bad move because all those other iterations are doomed to be killed by Savage. Anyways I'm glad. It means they consider Kendra to be the Hawk they care about developing and getting rid of Carter means that can actually happen, because she's no longer held back by the terrible eternal lovers storyline. This second half of the pilot was far better than the first half.
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Jan 29, 2016 05:30
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lotus circle posted:The guy playing Hawkman was billed as a guest role, so he won't be coming back. Maybe we'll see him again in past lives for an episode or two, but pulling him out the timeline is a bad move because all those other iterations are doomed to be killed by Savage. It's extra better because Hawkgirl is really cool and no one cares about Hawkman. Literally no one. Like they didn't even bother with him on JL/JLU, they just went "she's an alien deal with it" and the character was a thousand times better.
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Jan 29, 2016 05:32
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Also now Crisco can get in on the rebound action. Unless... he's also Hawkman 
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Jan 29, 2016 05:33
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Chokes McGee posted:Also now Crisco can get in on the rebound action. In JLU they made Hawkman an internet troll, so it could still happen! It's too bad Cisco and Laurel are gonna be a couple 
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Jan 29, 2016 05:36
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Golden Glider kissed him first, that means he's hers now because that's how courtship works on my CW tv shows.
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Jan 29, 2016 05:42
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Okay so can we all take a moment to give some much needed appreciation to White Canary knocking a man out with a giant bong? Seriously, it's only the second episode and the entire team is already clicking.  I can't come up with the team I like the most but anything with Snart or Sarah is a pretty safe bet.
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Jan 29, 2016 05:44
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So if Hawkman is dead twice in 1975, how does that affect his resurrection? *cut to Flash/Arrow crossover episode* "Shaira, we are destined to be together!" "No Shaira, WE are destined to be together!"
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Jan 29, 2016 05:45
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I'm sure that tracking shot with Atom seemed so much cooler in their heads than it looked on TV because it sure didn't look good. Once again the Rogues were great as was Stein and everyone else was just kind of there. Hawkman getting the gently caress off the show was a good move, hopefully Firestorm isn't far behind.
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Jan 29, 2016 05:45
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They should've made Hawkman the villain because everyone in the audience hates him and doesn't care about immortal murder hobo Vandal Savage.
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Kammat posted:BTW, here's actual 70's Victor Garber Goddamn, he wasn't lying when he said he had a huge afro in his 20's in the interview! Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Jan 29, 2016 |
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Jan 29, 2016 06:41
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Rhyno posted:I said it when he first appeared and I will say it again, Tiny Ray is the goddamned best. Now in convenient Action Figure form! (god drat that was a cheap-rear end goofy prop  )Pretty much everything else was on-point, or at the very least improved from episode 1. Jackson got a small amount of character, Vandal Savage was... slightly more threatening. Hawkguy got recognized as a creep and then died. Everything I could ask for.
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Jan 29, 2016 07:02
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That was much, much stronger. Still not sure any of the individual pieces are bouncing off of each other effectively and the cast hasn't gelled yet. But I was entertained and creepy dude got shanked. Savage is still hilariously weak as a central villain with the screen presence of a frightened mouse.
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Jan 29, 2016 08:40
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The black market fight was really fun. Stein is the god drat best. Sara is both hot and owns. I love when she jacked the weed. "Aww you think I'm," "Don't finish that sentence" The Prison Break twins own
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I may have emitted a high-pitched giggle and punched the air and said "Oh thank GOD" when Carter died. Thank you, show, for giving that plotline the finger it deserved. I'll forgive the Jefferson and Stein stuff completely as character development they didn't get a chance to pay off in the pilot, though I still feel it's a little sketchy character development for 2016. With the ~problematic~ stuff out of the way... Holy gently caress is this fun. I love the big glitzy shooty wide-angle comic-panel action scenes. I love the Malcontents rogueing it up in the past, embarrassing one another with their younger moments and trying not to admit to smoking a ton of pot. I love that superheroes on TV in 2016 smoked weed together. It's legal in my state and you're damned right I joined them. I love the bald bluffs and even the dumb cartoony villain for being cartoony. This is fun and funny and goofy and proud of it, and it's just what we need right now.
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:I would very much like it if every episode starts with them getting a new hawkman only for the episode to end with him dying. Oh my God, you killed Carter! You bastards!
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Jan 29, 2016 09:55
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Okay, so the Hawks are fighting Savage, leaving the rest of the people to sit around. HAVE SOME GOONS!
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Chokes McGee posted:Okay so can we all take a moment to give some much needed appreciation to White Canary knocking a man out with a giant bong? Yeah, that was pretty great. On Twitter and FB, it's pretty apparent that Caity Lotz is just a big goofy nerd and is having a blast filming this. It really shows in her scenes. Also Ray
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Jan 29, 2016 10:58
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CAPTAIN CAPSLOCK posted:I would very much like it if every episode starts with them getting a new hawkman only for the episode to end with him dying. Hawkpeople stuff didn't bother me as much as many of you, but in my head this is the funniest, best idea, and I wish it was real.
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Normally I'd be rolling my eyes at the idea of cheering over a character death, but my god, Hawkman was that poorly conceived. What should've been a playfully romantic mentorship instead turned into a creepy, patronizing mess, even after Hawkgirl called it out as such. Because of this, as a galvanizing moment that pushes the team to work together, it feels empty, as does that tragic beat of Hawkgirl finally remembering everything moments after his death. On the other hand though, now that all that bullshit's out of the way, the show's more likely to recover and get to the poo poo it actually knows how to do well.
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Jan 29, 2016 11:30
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There's a wanted poster of Jonah Hex in the "Study"
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Chokes McGee posted:Okay so can we all take a moment to give some much needed appreciation to White Canary knocking a man out with a giant bong? Canary is also able to knock bad guys down with a sword without cutting them. Must've learned that from the League of Assassins. Really. she is great, already better than the sob sister she was on Arrow, and I look forward to her being a give-no-fucks badass in period costume every week.  Legends could have Sara and the team meeting John Constantine in the 80s in England. Oh the possibilities..
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She's using batons, not swords.Kesper North posted:I'll forgive the Jefferson and Stein stuff completely as character development they didn't get a chance to pay off in the pilot, though I still feel it's a little sketchy character development for 2016. This was still the pilot actually.
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Jan 29, 2016 14:38
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Pocket Atom was pretty awesome.
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Digital Jedi posted:Pocket Atom was pretty awesome. They're going to homage that one episode of JLU by having Atom spend an episode riding around in White Canary's cleavage.
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Xelkelvos posted:If either of them were really clever, they'd prepare trusts or caches or something for themselves when they revive, all across the world since they're quasi-immortal. That way they too could build up an arsenal when they inevitably come up against Savage and don't have to start from essentially zero in terms of everything but fighting ability. Doing the math on 4000 years / 200 lives, it sounds like they're not making it past their early 20s often - at 25 (Ciara Renee's age) they might even be older than their average lifespan at this point. They only seem to spend a couple of years as active adults each cycle. So it might be hard to accumulate much in the way of assets, even assuming they can find them in future lives reliably. TyrantWD posted:That seemed to be the case when Supergirls' ratings were in free fall, but it has stabilized at a level that makes it the highest rated comicbook show on TV this season. I can see CBS holding holding off until the show really needs a rating bump. CBS has a lot higher of standards than CW though. EDIT: Just checked, Supergirl is apparently also well-performing by CBS standards. Jackson Taus fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Jan 29, 2016 |
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I liked the first half. I loved the second half. Everyone was firing on all cylinders. I didn't really dislike Hawkman, he just was average compared to some far better actors. Glad they hung a lantern on the creepy bits at least. I'm guessing since he died in 75 his soul reincarnates back when, allowing there to be another Hawkman when it comes time to become a Justice League in the nebulous future beyond all the shows. lotus circle posted:The guy playing Hawkman was billed as a guest role, so he won't be coming back. So is Vandal Savage. It's possible they'll pull a fakeout, though, and defeat Savage early season and introduce a bigger bad guy.
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I know he's already committed to another show on another network, but I bet Damian Lewis would make a great Per Degaton, if they need a time traveling dictator to counter Rip. Low low costume requirements too, just give him a black tunic, black pants, red gloves, and make him say "PFAUGH!" a lot.
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Aphrodite posted:She's using batons, not swords. It's actually her bo staff but it splits into batons for maximum bad guy bonking.
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Chokes McGee posted:It's actually her bo staff but it splits into batons for maximum bad guy bonking. Also useful for bad girl boinking.
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Kesper North posted:Also useful for bad girl boinking. Bong girl conking
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I have a weird feeling that Hawkman will be back. He's a pretty high tier DC character to get killed off like that on a spinoff miniseries show. Also that's about the most explict weed-is-not-a-big-deal message I can recall seeing on network TV.
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Binary Badger posted:I know he's already committed to another show on another network, but I bet Damian Lewis would make a great Per Degaton, if they need a time traveling dictator to counter Rip. There's definitely more than enough villains that are either very long lived or have done Time Travel that can be used. Additionally, there's quite a bit of room to change up a pre-existing character so they can fit a necessary position.
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Mortanis posted:So is Vandal Savage. It's possible they'll pull a fakeout, though, and defeat Savage early season and introduce a bigger bad guy. This is my hope. Now that Hawkman is gone (hopefully for good), Savage is the weakest part of the show. He doesn't come across as menacing or interesting. His entire performance just doesn't work. Having Darhk cameo just underscored how much better of villain Arrow has compared to LOT. http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/ratings-legends-of-tomorrow-you-me-and-the-apocalypse-1201691975/ Ratings for episode 2 are up. Down 10% off the premier which is considered really good as the average is closer to 30% drop. So the prospects for another season got a lot brighter. I dont know fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Jan 29, 2016 |
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Jan 29, 2016 19:29
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They finally did the impossible. They made me like and appreciate Sara Lance being on screen
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hamsystem posted:Bong girl conking
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Jan 29, 2016 19:32
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Binary Logic posted:
Though, Matt Ryan is in his thirties. In 2016. The main possibility is that DCTV Constantine is between the ages of 1 and 9 in the 1980's.
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Ultimately savage needs a "enforcer team" to throw against the heroes. I guess the big question is whom can they use? <crosses fingers for secret six.> 
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