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Met posted:How has lowsec changed over the past few years? Last I played in 2013 it was considered an empty waste. Its an empty waste where they can use supers now to crush the little mans
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What are you guys doing to make isk in null for new folks? People are talking about elite 5-alt carrier ratting but that poo poo takes a billion years to train into as far as I can tell. It seemed similar in highsec with everyone saying to bling out a Tengu.
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Hi I'm thinking of doing Eve things again, but I appear to be in some kind of limbo state on the forums likely due to my previous state of being CEO of a terrible corporation. This time I'm simplifying my life and just joining GW proper (I have had a few characters in there in the past), but I think a piece of me (most likely the groin) is still associated with that corp account. This means I cannot use my SOMETHINGAWFUL.COM account until those previous APIs are cleared out. I am literally looking for the batphone right now and hope not to lose my previous gf.com posting account that has stored up many good posts (none are good but I take full responsibility for that).
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Jan 29, 2016 06:21
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OldPueblo posted:Hi I'm thinking of doing Eve things again, but I appear to be in some kind of limbo state on the forums likely due to my previous state of being CEO of a terrible corporation. This time I'm simplifying my life and just joining GW proper (I have had a few characters in there in the past), but I think a piece of me (most likely the groin) is still associated with that corp account. This means I cannot use my SOMETHINGAWFUL.COM account until those previous APIs are cleared out. I am literally looking for the batphone right now and hope not to lose my previous gf.com posting account that has stored up many good posts (none are good but I take full responsibility for that). People on jabber seem quite excited about this, so I'm sure someone who can actually help you will be in touch. edit: People are saying you should email newbies@goonfleet.com because the auth team monitors it. Kesper North fucked around with this message at 06:34 on Jan 29, 2016 |
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Jan 29, 2016 06:25
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Kaedric posted:What are you guys doing to make isk in null for new folks? People are talking about elite 5-alt carrier ratting but that poo poo takes a billion years to train into as far as I can tell. It seemed similar in highsec with everyone saying to bling out a Tengu. Get yourself into an afk drone boat so you dont need to suffer the tedium of ratting, if that sounds awful or is too skill intensive offer to salvage sites other ratters are doing you can make a fair bit of isk playing garbage man and collecting module and melting down scrap. Alternatively you can hunt down deadspace combat sites and sell the bookmark for 50% of the profit to a site running service. If I remember right you are not in gsf and winging it with some friends, in that case I recommend either shacking up near a mission hub lvl4 missions are pretty good isk or giving faction warfare a shot since that will let you pvp and make isk around the same area ish. fake edit: Holy poo poo OldPueblo is coming back 
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OldPueblo posted:Hi I'm thinking of doing Eve things again, but I appear to be in some kind of limbo state on the forums likely due to my previous state of being CEO of a terrible corporation. This time I'm simplifying my life and just joining GW proper (I have had a few characters in there in the past), but I think a piece of me (most likely the groin) is still associated with that corp account. This means I cannot use my SOMETHINGAWFUL.COM account until those previous APIs are cleared out. I am literally looking for the batphone right now and hope not to lose my previous gf.com posting account that has stored up many good posts (none are good but I take full responsibility for that). save yourself and dont, instead
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Jan 29, 2016 06:34
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FruitNYogurtParfait posted:save yourself and dont, instead This. Also Hi OldPueblo CEO of my heart.
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Jan 29, 2016 06:40
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FruitNYogurtParfait posted:save yourself and dont, instead Counter-point, I don't like myself right now. This seems a fitting punishment.
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Jan 29, 2016 06:41
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OldPueblo posted:Counter-point, I don't like myself right now. This seems a fitting punishment. self loathing only runs so deep and eve isnt flagellation its waterboarding, you wont feel properly punished just violated
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Jan 29, 2016 06:43
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I get deadtear wanting to keep us from the horror of bad posting, but it's not right to keep us from good things like oldpueblo coming back.
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Jan 29, 2016 07:14
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koreban posted:I get deadtear wanting to keep us from the horror of bad posting, but it's not right to keep us from good things like oldpueblo coming back. You are asking deadtear to be the better man and refrain from his bitter oracles. This is not a thing.
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Jan 29, 2016 07:24
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OldPueblo posted:Hi I'm thinking of doing Eve things again They were trying to figure out whether to shoot you or not in deklein intel.
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Jan 29, 2016 07:24
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Kaedric posted:What are you guys doing to make isk in null for new folks? People are talking about elite 5-alt carrier ratting but that poo poo takes a billion years to train into as far as I can tell. It seemed similar in highsec with everyone saying to bling out a Tengu. In my youth I did rally points in a drake
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Jan 29, 2016 07:26
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Kaedric posted:What are you guys doing to make isk in null for new folks? People are talking about elite 5-alt carrier ratting but that poo poo takes a billion years to train into as far as I can tell. It seemed similar in highsec with everyone saying to bling out a Tengu. Salvaging or ratting in a myrm/vni depending on your skills
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Jan 29, 2016 07:42
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It's between a long time since I played but lowsec was boring as poo poo as far as I remember.
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Jan 29, 2016 07:46
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vulturesrow posted:It's between a long time since I played but lowsec was boring as poo poo as far as I remember. There are lots of activity in some of the lowsec regions, black rise for example. Some medium sized alliances live there and run lvl5 missions or scanned anomalies. And FW people allow this lowsec regions stay populated and full of frags.
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Jan 29, 2016 07:56
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koreban posted:I get deadtear wanting to keep us from the horror of bad posting, but it's not right to keep us from good things like oldpueblo coming back.
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Jan 29, 2016 09:04
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FruitNYogurtParfait posted:I'm trying to save him not the rest of you edit: Man, that pun was just poor quality. I do have some pride, you know.
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Jan 29, 2016 09:44
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Jan 29, 2016 09:51
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Kimsemus posted:Lowsec is the last vestige of true nomadic, violent PVP and shifting allegiances and nomadic warfare, and I'd like to keep it that way. I'm sorry, are you being serious here? Lowsec pvp is theatre. It has no meaning outside of itself, and hardly what i'd call violent pvp. The only risk you take is the risk you bet. You're anteing up into the pot. Null at least has the option of the casino security guys working you over in the alley and taking all your poo poo if you fuckup.
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Kimsemus posted:You've never been able to because lowsec was originally designed to be a mechanical stepping stone between high and null, but it has different rules, which encourages a completely different style of play and fighting. The use of HG slave pods as a norm in fits is just one of these things, but fights tend to be fought in point range in a lot of cases, and the use of blap dreads and other caps for hit and run and tactical benefit is widespread. Fleets typically have a much heavier emphasis on support ships in doctrines as well. Kimsemus posted:6 months, but yeah that's basically what we do, just temp blue and fight nullsec. I just think the viceroy program is stupid and the people that fall for it are even more stupid. It's like you pay a portion of your income to have someone from null come help you, when we just dock up and wait for the batphone to leave then take whatever we're hitting anyway. So how exactly does this "fighting nullsec" thing work if you regularly and reliably batphone both PL and NC at the same time? Do they somehow not count as nullsec entities anymore or is it just that you are too weak individually without these specific nullsec entities? In fact, "shifting allegiances" seems to mean "whoever we can batphone to make sure we can win this fight against whoever we are fighting", which in regards to the "Lowsec Voltron" either suggests that none of the regular intra-lowsec fights actually matter or that you have a severe case of communal amnesia that lets you put aside your no doubt substantial, important and overall very real differences if somebody threatens "your playstyle" (which, in translation, simply means your dominion over everybody even weaker). edit: Or does "nomadic" PvP now mean pretty much the same thing as "we are playing Counterstrike or a MOBA, where nothing that happened in a previous round matters, and where teams are reset for each new match"? That would explain the NC/PL thing. Hollow Talk fucked around with this message at 11:48 on Jan 29, 2016 |
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Jan 29, 2016 11:38
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Man I came back a week ago after 3 years and now Old Pueblo is back. Pretty rad.
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Kesper North posted:edit: Man, that pun was just poor quality. I do have some pride, you know. Its probably just gas.
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Kimsemus posted:DHSJ and Pred's other friends are being hellburned now due in no small part to his bending the knee to the CFC, and allowing an outside entity to attempt to influence our political system. lmbo source your quotes
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Jan 29, 2016 13:24
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Cannon_Fodder posted:Those new carriers look ridiculous. yeah, the whole idea of a, "spaceship," has been thrown out the window .
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Jan 29, 2016 13:33
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Vendictus Prime posted:yeah, the whole idea of a, "spaceship," has been thrown out the window . I think the design is refreshing. Instead of new semi-sleek we-want-to-look-badass models, they just made big platforms that look like my deformed penis.
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Hollow Talk posted:So how exactly does this "fighting nullsec" thing work if you regularly and reliably batphone both PL and NC at the same time? Do they somehow not count as nullsec entities anymore or is it just that you are too weak individually without these specific nullsec entities? In fact, "shifting allegiances" seems to mean "whoever we can batphone to make sure we can win this fight against whoever we are fighting", which in regards to the "Lowsec Voltron" either suggests that none of the regular intra-lowsec fights actually matter or that you have a severe case of communal amnesia that lets you put aside your no doubt substantial, important and overall very real differences if somebody threatens "your playstyle" (which, in translation, simply means your dominion over everybody even weaker). This whole then why did you call x if your so and so! argument is dumb as gently caress when the publords do it to the imperium alliances don't drag it into this thread. It's eve people will do whatever it takes to win a fight this goes for both sides , arbitrarily limiting yourself based on imaginary rules your enemy thinks up is like 50% of the reason I can't stand Reddit. edit: phone posting auto corrects 
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Cannon_Fodder posted:Those new carriers look ridiculous. Couldn't resist and made a thing.  
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Zasze posted:This whole then why did you call x if your so and so! argument is dumb as gently caress when the publords due it to the imperium alliances don't drag it into this thread. It's eve people will do whatever it takes to win a fight this goes for both sides , arbitrarily limiting yourself based on imaginary rules your enemy thinks up is like 50% of the reason I can't stand Reddit. The whole point is that the idea of "nomadic elite pvp lowsec entities" is a farce, because they are not all that nomadic (it's hard to be actually nomadic if you have to defend your moon empire and if you do not have absolute capital supremacy, as is the case with both NC and PL). Since they do not own actual space, however, they get to be "nomadic" in the sense that you cannot actually take their space, which also means they get to choose their engagements; thus, they can choose when to engage, which lets them choose which fight they can win, which they then take. They are "elite pvp" in the sense that they win most of the fights they take, which does not say a whole lot if you are free to choose fights. The Imperial Blob(tm) is another version of a similar underlying idea, namely that if you need that objective, you will get that objective, but at least we don't pretend to be Sun Tzu incarnate. The only people who cannot really choose who to fight are smaller nullsec groups who are actually serious about holding their space, because they will lose it if they avoid fights too often; this description works for Provi, for example, who are neither nomadic nor counted as "elite pvp", because everybody can show up and poke at them, knowing that they will have to (and tend to) react at some point. By all means, Lowsec should keep doing whatever it is they are doing, but they could drop a whole lot of pretense. And my point about NC/PL batphones still stands. It's a bit silly to call this the "Lowsec Voltron" and generate yourself as this independent powerhouse if the Northern Lowsec alliances combined bring fewer ships than NC and PL combined can shuffle through a wormhole. 
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When people say "nomadic pvp groups" I don't really think of alliances like Snuff and Shadow so much as the guys living in Thera or the small-scale roaming corps and alliances that live in lowsec near to busy 0.0 regions and use wormholes to hit other parts of nullsec if the locals don't respond when poked.
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LemonDrizzle posted:When people say "nomadic pvp groups" I don't really think of alliances like Snuff and Shadow so much as the guys living in Thera or the small-scale roaming corps and alliances that live in lowsec near to busy 0.0 regions and use wormholes to hit other parts of nullsec if the locals don't respond when poked. I tend to agree, but we learned further up that Shadow Cartel and the other groups (Project.Mayhem, Snuffed Out, Psychotic Tendencies.) are the "last vestige of true nomadic, violent PVP and shifting allegiances and nomadic warfare", so I guess we are both wrong!
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My ishtar has a kill mark now. Don't hot drop in a Prospect into a full anom, I don't kill the tackle frigs for a reason. https://beta.eve-kill.net/kill/51674749/ To bad the one falcon that made it into the cyno didn't get killed.
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Uziduke posted:My ishtar has a kill mark now. They are ex-SMA, too, who left amidst many a reddit-cheer. It's as close as you will get to legally shooting SMA at the moment. 
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Zasze posted:This whole then why did you call x if your so and so! argument is dumb as gently caress when the publords due it to the imperium alliances don't drag it into this thread. It's eve people will do whatever it takes to win a fight this goes for both sides , arbitrarily limiting yourself based on imaginary rules your enemy thinks up is like 50% of the reason I can't stand Reddit. The difference here is that we don't dress it up as some kind of ~~elite pvp~~ bullshit.
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Hollow Talk posted:So how exactly does this "fighting nullsec" thing work if you regularly and reliably batphone both PL and NC at the same time? Do they somehow not count as nullsec entities anymore or is it just that you are too weak individually without these specific nullsec entities? In fact, "shifting allegiances" seems to mean "whoever we can batphone to make sure we can win this fight against whoever we are fighting", which in regards to the "Lowsec Voltron" either suggests that none of the regular intra-lowsec fights actually matter or that you have a severe case of communal amnesia that lets you put aside your no doubt substantial, important and overall very real differences if somebody threatens "your playstyle" (which, in translation, simply means your dominion over everybody even weaker). In all the time I've been there, SC has never batphoned NC or PL. PL has shown up during fights, and most of the time they perish (Or we simply don't engage them). I'm sure other lowsec entities probably have at some point. There are absolutely weaker entities who will if they can, but in my time there, Snuff/Tissue and SC hasn't called upon a nullsec entitiy to interfere with our war, but I can say as bitter as the last one was, we immediately went to batphoning each other against cfc fleets. If that is what you mean by communal amnesia, we've demonstrated it more than once. Ego aside, you couldn't reliably invade us any more than we can invade anywhere in nullsec. Co2 and other alliances have tried, consistently, to either third party fleets or have been batphoned by pred and others, and also consistently just get blue balled. https://zkillboard.com/br/68355/ Is a good example of Did He Say Jump batphoning elements of the CFC, dying anyway before the null fleet got there, and us just docking up waiting for the null fleet to leave before we took their tower anyway. I'm not saying that happens every time, but that is what happens, and will happen, most of the time. As for the intra-lowsec fights not mattering, the last major war we had, we shifted some hundred or so money moons between four alliances in a war, it very much mattered. We lost a bunch of moons in one region, took a bunch in another one, and that's more or less how our ghetto sov shifted. You just don't see it on an influence map. The nomadic part comes in where, like now, we're in the Bleak Lands making GBS threads on DHSJ for someone else, and now we're leaving to go fight another group. I hope that clears it up, just my perspective. CainFortea posted:The difference here is that we don't dress it up as some kind of ~~elite pvp~~ bullshit. I really don't think I did that at all. Even though statements along the lines of "well we could take your poo poo if we wanted to" that other people have made are loving retarded. I'm not discounting the power the cfc wields, and I'm not saying we're somehow better or more honorable or other stupid poo poo like that, I'm simply saying that lowsec is a different way of playing the game and I don't want to see it homogenized with null. That's all. Kimsemus fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Jan 29, 2016 |
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Another Corp is leaving GSF. Is this the end for goonswarm federation? Not really nobody likes this one anyway
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Kimsemus posted:we shifted some hundred or so money moons between four alliances in a war, it very much mattered. We lost a bunch of moons in one region, took a bunch in another one, and that's more or less how our ghetto sov shifted I was led to believe that strong black lowsec alliances dont need no moons because they dont have srp as it is a crutch for weak and bad players and their members are independently wealthy.
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ScreamingLlama posted:Oh for gently caress's sake, enough with the highsec nerf bullshit. What are the newbros supposed to do while their skills train? HS missions are for exactly that reason. Yes, there are pubbie shitlords abusing the mission system but guess what? That's theirs and CCP's business, not yours. If you don't do missions on the reg, it's not your concern. the highsec missions that newbies can actually complete don't pay piss, and they can get into a competent nullsec ratting ship just as fast as they can get into a L4 ship (the first point where highsec income is actually worth doing), and they can get into a fw ship even faster for better money. so way to be stupid i guess.
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crew posted:I was led to believe that strong black lowsec alliances dont need no moons because they dont have srp as it is a crutch for weak and bad players and their members are independently wealthy. Oh god no I don't know what people would do without SRP. We definitely try to SRP everything and I think a lot of people are dependent on it.
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