Eve Online 2016: Actually It's Called Eve-ophilia

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vyst: Aug 25, 2009

Kimsemus posted:

Oh god no I don't know what people would do without SRP. We definitely try to SRP everything and I think a lot of people are dependent on it.

This is the problem hth

# ? Jan 29, 2016 17:42

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vyst posted:

Another Corp is leaving GSF. Is this the end for goonswarm federation?

Not really nobody likes this one anyway

rip goonfleet

# ? Jan 29, 2016 17:43

Azuth0667: Sep 20, 2011; By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

ScreamingLlama posted:

Oh for gently caress's sake, enough with the highsec nerf bullshit. What are the newbros supposed to do while their skills train? HS missions are for exactly that reason. Yes, there are pubbie shitlords abusing the mission system but guess what? That's theirs and CCP's business, not yours. If you don't do missions on the reg, it's not your concern.

You are one of those pubbie shitlordes l3-4 missions need to have their income nerfed and l1-2 missions need to have their income buffed. It's funny how all the dumb highsec pubbies come out in droves to defend something because of the newbies when it doesn't help newbies at all. The same can be applied to all of highsec pve.

# ? Jan 29, 2016 17:44

Siets: Sep 19, 2006; by FactsAreUseless

Glory of Arioch posted:

at this point ccp isn't really motivated to touch this poo poo so the best way to get it nerfed is to get goons doing it

so https://docs.google.com/document/d/1knVqZEH8qFY0eT44nMEFwcKd3t4PbgcZeuv58SVUxsI/pub here have fun, enjoy a pubbie guide to blitzing burner missions

you can turn around and do this poo poo in npc pure blind for a much greater reward too

So, just for my own clarification, is the goal of goonrushing this basically to make ISK faucet numbers in the database go up enough where CCP is forced to at least acknowledge the issue? Because, while I hate missioning and hate highsec, if it leads to an eventual highsec nerf I can be on board with that.

# ? Jan 29, 2016 17:46

MorsAnima: Nov 29, 2010; I just feel completely shit on. These changes won't make a cat in hell's difference.

Kimsemus posted:

Oh god no I don't know what people would do without SRP. We definitely try to SRP everything and I think a lot of people are dependent on it.

sponsor me into SC. have nyx, will use for isk. that's basically your entrance reqs right

# ? Jan 29, 2016 18:03

Libluini: May 18, 2012; I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

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darth cookie posted:

You were doing them wrong. When done correctly via blitzing they equal or exceed null carrier ratting (unless you multi box them), while under the protection of concord.

Every time someone says you can do lots of money by doing things "correctly" and all sub-optimal options are wrong, I silently translate "correctly" as "like a retard" in my head.

As in, when done like a retard via blitzing they equal or exceed null carrier ratting

CainFortea posted:

I'm sorry, are you being serious here?

Lowsec pvp is theatre. It has no meaning outside of itself, and hardly what i'd call violent pvp. The only risk you take is the risk you bet. You're anteing up into the pot.

Null at least has the option of the casino security guys working you over in the alley and taking all your poo poo if you fuckup.

Isn't all PVP theatre? You essentially only risk what you are willing to undock. And I got worked over in a lot of shady LowSec-alleys over the years, so I guess your second sentence is just plain wrong.

Azuth0667 posted:

You are one of those pubbie shitlordes l3-4 missions need to have their income nerfed and l1-2 missions need to have their income buffed. It's funny how all the dumb highsec pubbies come out in droves to defend something because of the newbies when it doesn't help newbies at all. The same can be applied to all of highsec pve.

Now that's certainly true! As a newbie, I learned fast to see lvl. 1-2 missions as sources to get standings and not much else. Lvl. 3 missions felt a lot less silly, but that's mostly because you can do them fast enough you can make almost the same money as with lvl. 4 missions, simply because some of those take so much loving time.

Burner missions of course dashed this almost balance between levels 3 and 4 into pieces again.

If I were asked how to balance missions, I'd make burner missions slightly less challenging and tone down LP- and ISK-payout somewhat. Let's say 25%. Normal lvl.4 missions should get adjusted downward a bit more mildly, but at least the missions with massive bounty payouts should get 10% less ISK and LP.

Lvl. 3 missions don't really need a balance, except maybe some easier versions of burner missions so newbies can try them out without investing tons of money and skill-points first.

Lvl. 2 mission payout can just be flat-out doubled and lvl. 1 missions are so low you could probably triple them and newbies would barely notice the bump in their wallet.

Libluini fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Jan 29, 2016

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Libluini posted:

Every time someone says you can do lots of money by doing things "correctly" and all sub-optimal options are wrong, I silently translate "correctly" as "like a retard" in my head.

As in, when done like a retard via blitzing they equal or exceed null carrier ratting

whats wrong with your brain that you equate (in this case) "doing things in a manner that gives you the most possible reward for time spent" with retarded

# ? Jan 29, 2016 18:18

Siets: Sep 19, 2006; by FactsAreUseless

FruitNYogurtParfait posted:

whats wrong with your brain that you equate (in this case) "doing things in a manner that gives you the most possible reward for time spent" with retarded

Was also wondering this. That statement makes zero sense. :v:

# ? Jan 29, 2016 18:24

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Siets posted:

So, just for my own clarification, is the goal of goonrushing this basically to make ISK faucet numbers in the database go up enough where CCP is forced to at least acknowledge the issue? Because, while I hate missioning and hate highsec, if it leads to an eventual highsec nerf I can be on board with that.

it's less that the faucet numbers would do it so much as it would be us specifically doing it

# ? Jan 29, 2016 18:40

Hollow Talk: Feb 2, 2014

vyst posted:

Another Corp is leaving GSF. Is this the end for goonswarm federation?

Not really nobody likes this one anyway

Is it Waffe? It's Waffe, isn't it? :f5:

# ? Jan 29, 2016 18:46

DisgracelandUSA: Aug 11, 2011; Yeah, I gets down with the homies

Siets posted:

Was also wondering this. That statement makes zero sense.

P. Sure he means doing things "correctly" means taking them to their logical extreme, like using 5 accounts and three staged carriers to run L5s or multiboxing 5 or 10 Ishtars, is retarded. Because not only are you playing this terrible game, you're playing this terrible game hard.

# ? Jan 29, 2016 18:46

Libluini: May 18, 2012; I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

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FruitNYogurtParfait posted:

whats wrong with your brain that you equate (in this case) "doing things in a manner that gives you the most possible reward for time spent" with retarded

Because I don't.

I consider having fun the reward and money is a tool to help out fun. Doing things effectively is maybe fun for some people, but not for me. :shrug:

Hell, if I could get off on doing things like a robot, I'd not play EVE at all. Playing EVE Online is basically a highly illogical decision already and playing it in a manner to give you the most monopoly money for time spent is just dumb. That's like living in an insane asylum and letting your daily life revolve around finding ways to upset the wardens in the most effective manner to get the most drugs injected for your time.

Sorry, that's my opinion, deal with it.

DisgracelandUSA posted:

P. Sure he means doing things "correctly" means taking them to their logical extreme, like using 5 accounts and three staged carriers to run L5s or multiboxing 5 or 10 Ishtars, is retarded. Because not only are you playing this terrible game, you're playing this terrible game hard.

Also this.

# ? Jan 29, 2016 18:48

Kimsemus: Dec 4, 2013; by Reene; Toilet Rascal

MorsAnima posted:

sponsor me into SC. have nyx, will use for isk. that's basically your entrance reqs right

Pretty sure you have SC confused with PL?

# ? Jan 29, 2016 18:51

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Libluini posted:

Because I don't.

I consider having fun the reward and money is a tool to help out fun. Doing things effectively is maybe fun for some people, but not for me.

Hell, if I could get off on doing things like a robot, I'd not play EVE at all. Playing EVE Online is basically a highly illogical decision already and playing it in a manner to give you the most monopoly money for time spent is just dumb. That's like living in an insane asylum and letting your daily life revolve around finding ways to upset the wardens in the most effective manner to get the most drugs injected for your time.

Sorry, that's my opinion, deal with it.

Also this.

Every opinion you have is stupid jesus christ. stick to talking about cosmos items because at least that's niche enough nobody else will notice how ignorant you are about, well, everything

Also, you're doing the thing where you try to have it both ways with declaring something as a fact then backing down with LOL IT'S MY OPINION DEAL WITH IT

# ? Jan 29, 2016 18:57

MorsAnima: Nov 29, 2010; I just feel completely shit on. These changes won't make a cat in hell's difference.

Kimsemus posted:

Pretty sure you have SC confused with PL?

Actually considered joining Horde for immunity from pee ell.

# ? Jan 29, 2016 18:58

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people play game differently than me in ways they either find enjoyable or at least in ways to minimize doing the poo poo they dont like so they can do the poo poo they do like UGH HOW RETARDED

# ? Jan 29, 2016 19:01

Libluini: May 18, 2012; I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...; Grimey Drawer

FruitNYogurtParfait posted:

Every opinion you have is stupid jesus christ. stick to talking about cosmos items because at least that's niche enough nobody else will notice how ignorant you are about, well, everything

Also, you're doing the thing where you try to have it both ways with declaring something as a fact then backing down with LOL IT'S MY OPINION DEAL WITH IT

To be fair, I also consider your opinions pants-shittingly retarded, so I guess this goes both ways. :shrug:

# ? Jan 29, 2016 19:03

Libluini: May 18, 2012; I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...; Grimey Drawer

FruitNYogurtParfait posted:

people play game differently than me in ways they either find enjoyable or at least in ways to minimize doing the poo poo they dont like so they can do the poo poo they do like UGH HOW RETARDED

# ? Jan 29, 2016 19:04

eonwe: Aug 11, 2008; Lipstick Apathy

eve is tearing us apart

# ? Jan 29, 2016 19:06

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Could someone from CD do a political primer on the southwest and southeast of eve please? I'm trying to figure out where to go be annoying and kill cynos. I need to play video games again. The most annoying stuff that sticks out will be my choice.

# ? Jan 29, 2016 19:10

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Eonwe posted:

eve is tearing us apart

is it tearing apart if things were never joined to begin with

# ? Jan 29, 2016 19:14

Siets: Sep 19, 2006; by FactsAreUseless

Glory of Arioch posted:

it's less that the faucet numbers would do it so much as it would be us specifically doing it

Gotcha. So what you're saying is I'd want to be cherry picking burners and then obnoxiously posting images of my fat wallet gains to the pubbies on Eve-O from my Goonwaffe main's account in order to have maximum impact? :v:

# ? Jan 29, 2016 19:16

Kimsemus: Dec 4, 2013; by Reene; Toilet Rascal

Libluini posted:

To be fair, I also consider your opinions pants-shittingly retarded, so I guess this goes both ways.

It's only funny because fruitnyogurt is consistently one of the voices of reason in this thread. :v:

# ? Jan 29, 2016 19:17

working mom: Jul 8, 2015

Eonwe posted:

eve is tearing us apart

We should probably stop playing

# ? Jan 29, 2016 19:20

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Siets posted:

Gotcha. So what you're saying is I'd want to be cherry picking burners and then obnoxiously posting images of my fat wallet gains to the pubbies on Eve-O from my Goonwaffe main's account in order to have maximum impact?

nah, just doing them is enough

# ? Jan 29, 2016 19:22

vyst: Aug 25, 2009

Kimsemus posted:

It's only funny because fruitnyogurt is consistently one of the voices of reason in this thread.

I wouldn't go that far.

# ? Jan 29, 2016 19:23

Siets: Sep 19, 2006; by FactsAreUseless

Glory of Arioch posted:

nah, just doing them is enough

CCP devs hate goons that much huh?

# ? Jan 29, 2016 19:24

CommonShore: Jun 6, 2014; A true renaissance man

I'm thinking about doing burner blitzing but I don't quite understand the document you posted because I know nothing about these missions at all, so the info is contextless. Are they available from any L4 agent? Do I have to have a separate burner boat ready for every possible burner mission? I also imagine it would be a good idea to use a non-alliance character for this as well.

# ? Jan 29, 2016 19:25