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Flannelette posted:There might already be a thing like this but why isn't there a filter in one of the doom or build engine ports that emulates an analogue display that they were made for like 80/90's console emulators do? Right now you can either have very sharp pixels or mush them with a standard filter but you can't make them look like a 640/480 crt monitor so dithered effects never quite look right. Because those filters emulate a mediocre 70s or horrible 80s TV run over rf or composite. Doom never looked like that because your VGA monitor was connected over a very low signal noise connection to a nice and pretty flat if not entirely flat CRT display. Quite simply it looked sharper than it does on modern lcds, due to lack of scaling issues! Doom does not have dithering effects that rely on smudgy pixel rendering either, dunno where you got that idea?
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Jan 30, 2016 05:30
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Flannelette posted:There might already be a thing like this but why isn't there a filter in one of the doom or build engine ports that emulates an analogue display that they were made for like 80/90's console emulators do? Right now you can either have very sharp pixels or mush them with a standard filter but you can't make them look like a 640/480 crt monitor so dithered effects never quite look right. Not quite what you're looking for but there is this Reshade setting to make it look like you're monitor is running through VHS or something. http://reshade.me/forum/shader-presentation/1258-vhs-shader I have no idea how to use it though. Your post reminded me of a work in progress mod on the ZDoom Projects page. http://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=49483
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Jan 30, 2016 05:35
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fishmech posted:Because those filters emulate a mediocre 70s or horrible 80s TV run over rf or composite. Chocolate Doom's virtual 320×200 looks plenty sharp at 1600×1200 on my IPS monitor. I doubt a CRT could do better.
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Jan 30, 2016 05:43
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Arivia posted:That said, never bet on Duke because why the gently caress would you ever trust a self-centered misogynistic idiot? The games are fun tho
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Jan 30, 2016 05:44
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SilentW posted:I'm super down! What Mods are you trying to run? DoomRL Arsenal is my main jam and it's probably never going to worth with Zandronum due to its love of the very latest DECORATE features. We can do something else, though.
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Jan 30, 2016 05:53
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Woolie Wool posted:Super8 is getting a new lighting model, which appears from the screenshots to restore the overbrights missing from the current builds, which means that aside from the colors lighting will be vanilla accurate again. At the very least, the screenshot of start.bsp is much more brightly lit than the same scene in super8 v238, and the HUD indicates that it's using the stock palette so it's not cheating. Looks purty. Also this week (? maybe) AD will get a patch for playing it on software-renderer engines.
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Jan 30, 2016 06:11
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Arivia posted:Nah, there's 3 at least playable Build games in the form of Duke Nukem 3D, Shadow Warrior, and Blood. There's more Build games than that, like Redneck Rampage and TekWar. You come into Duke's house, on his 20th 3D birthday, and you cast these absurd allegations. For one, Duke is very smart. He finds lots of keycards in hard to reach areas and has solved puzzles involving numerous buttons. Duke loves the women, and the women love Duke, he saves the women from the evil aliens. And he throws money only at women who are into that sort of thing. I can't even fathom what went through your mind when you said these horrific slanderous views. Look inward for the truth, you must find the Duke within yourself to bet on. Always bet on Duke.
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Jan 30, 2016 06:21
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Heavy Metal posted:You come into Duke's house, on his 20th 3D birthday, and you cast these absurd allegations. For one, Duke is very smart. He finds lots of keycards in hard to reach areas and has solved puzzles involving numerous buttons. Duke loves the women, and the women love Duke, he saves the women from the evil aliens. And he throws money only at women who are into that sort of thing. I can't even fathom what went through your mind when you said these horrific slanderous views. Look inward for the truth, you must find the Duke within yourself to bet on. Always bet on Duke. I didn't know Trump played Duke.
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Jan 30, 2016 06:25
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site posted:I didn't know Trump played Duke. I don't get this reference, but I did hear Jon St John turned Trump down which is a fun bit of news. I was thinking more of a deep Eastern philosophy on Duke vibe. Or maybe Yoda. Bet on Duke you will.
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Jan 30, 2016 06:29
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Woolie Wool posted:Chocolate Doom's virtual 320×200 looks plenty sharp at 1600×1200 on my IPS monitor.
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Jan 30, 2016 06:38
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Linguica posted:As you know, Bob, 1600x1200 is actually the smallest resolution where Chocolate Doom's rendering is perfectly flawless, because Doom's intended 5:6 pixel ratio requires each game-screen pixel to be 5 monitor pixels wide (so 320x5 = 1600) and 6 pixels tall (200*6 = 1200) Each of those pixels represents one bet, all of which are placed on Duke at any given time.
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Jan 30, 2016 06:44
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Doomier than Doom
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Jan 30, 2016 07:03
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fishmech posted:Because those filters emulate a mediocre 70s or horrible 80s TV run over rf or composite. It wasn't like RF or comp but on my old monitor the pixels definitely bled into each other and I always thought that was how it was supposed to look?
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Jan 30, 2016 07:38
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Analog monitors didn't have "pixels" per se, they had individual phosphor dots (or lines, for a Trinitron type display) illuminated by an electron beam shining through a grille. You could liken each phosphor dot to a LCD screen sub-element but this is an poor comparison since each logical pixel onscreen generally did not precisely map to exactly 3 phosphors. Instead each pixel was illuminated by whichever phosphor dots just happened to be on that little bit of the screen. This was further complicated by the width of the electron beam itself causing blooming, phosphors actually stimulating their neighbors for a slight secondary glow, etc. Once I went through the math to determine what sort of resolution on a LCD display you would need to do a passable job of recreating the display of a cheapo mid-90s 15" CRT by simulating all the phosphor dots, and it was on the order of like... 10000x7500 or something.
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Jan 30, 2016 07:53
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Ok and the poor focusing of the electron gun (by magnets right?) is what made our monitor all soft looking? I did get a better monitor but that was after 3d games so I've only seen 2.5 games on that old monitor and LCD ones (and the monochrome monitor we had before that, orange doom is the best doom).
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Jan 30, 2016 08:14
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I played Doom for the very first time on green monochrome monitor, and no sound. It was quite an experience, I wish I could emulate this environment somehow. DOSBox SVN has some custom shaders, wonder if any could do the trick.
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Jan 30, 2016 09:43
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Woolie Wool posted:Nope! Shadow Warrior's Wanton Destruction deserves a mention. Probably the strongest level-set outside of Duke's shareware episode.
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Jan 30, 2016 10:20
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Narcissus1916 posted:Shadow Warrior's Wanton Destruction deserves a mention. Probably the strongest level-set outside of Duke's shareware episode. I remember not really enjoying Wanton Destruction. I thought that the level design was lazy and poorly done in places (that plane level was neat, but it was really frustrating) , and the enemy replacements were really annoying. It's been a while since I've played it, though. Also, WoolieWool, when you say that Shadow Warrior had bad game design, what exactly do you mean? I agree with you on your other points about it, but I'm curious what parts of it were poorly designed. Max Wilco fucked around with this message at 11:22 on Jan 30, 2016 |
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Jan 30, 2016 11:17
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Retroarch includes Dosbox and has a bunch of advanced CRT shaders, like screen distortion and color bleed. You can edit the shaders for a more subtle look. I vaguely remember not being able to get Dosbox to work right within Retroarch, but that was two or thee years ago.
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Jan 30, 2016 11:24
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Max Wilco posted:Also, WoolieWool, when you say that Shadow Warrior had bad game design, what exactly do you mean? I agree with you on your other points about it, but I'm curious what parts of it were poorly designed. Totally unsolicited opinion, but it's hard as balls and not in a good way. Enemies can mostly kill you in a hot second, a lot of it is hitscan damage or running around a corner into a couple of suicide bomb guys who rush you before you know what is happening, and your best weapons are all explosives that ideally you want to be popping out of cover, firing, and popping back into cover, which gives the game something of the feel of Gears of War at Mach 10. There's also some really dumb puzzles.
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Jan 30, 2016 13:53
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'Design' is a subjective opinion - the game gives you more than enough explosive and high power weaponry to saturate a room with firepower before anything can kill you (let's not pretend Blood's cultists aren't 10x worse than the Ninjas in the hitscan department) You die quickly but enemies have a tiny pool of health themselves. I thought the game itself is better than Duke (better weapons and more interesting enemies) but suffered from having very little modding capability and a relatively constricted tileset compared to Duke's so whilst it's good at making industrial facilities and nature areas, Duke's texture set has a greater variety of sprites and textures that can be used for anything. it's a shame because SW allows for some crazy stuff when building levels but it was much harder to use than Duke.
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Jan 30, 2016 15:06
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Flannelette posted:It wasn't like RF or comp but on my old monitor the pixels definitely bled into each other and I always thought that was how it was supposed to look? This typically means your old monitor had deteriorated over time, if it was noticeable enough that you expected everything to be blurred even at a low resolution. Now of course if you were using very high resolution, then the limitations of VGA signaling could result in very annoying amounts of blur.
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Jan 30, 2016 16:33
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Yeah I don't see anything "bad" about Shadow Warrior's design at all, it's just so different than what we were used to at the time. Most FPSes in the 90's (or even today) were balanced around the lower-tier weapons like SMGs, pistols, shotguns, etc., but Shadow Warrior placed emphasis on high explosives. You get a ton of super-powerful weapons and go up against super-powerful enemies, who are usually more common than the lower-tier thugs. You also get a fairly "unbalanced" grenade launcher that can bounce shots around corners and over walls, and you're kind of expected to use it to cheat. I remember a mini-boss that I killed by firing the grenade launcher up over the top of a wall until it died.
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laserghost posted:I played Doom for the very first time on green monochrome monitor, and no sound. It was quite an experience, I wish I could emulate this environment somehow. DOSBox SVN has some custom shaders, wonder if any could do the trick. This reminded me of an awesome video wherein we discover that Quake can be played on an oscilloscope.
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Linguica posted:As you know, Bob, 1600x1200 is actually the smallest resolution where Chocolate Doom's rendering is perfectly flawless, because Doom's intended 5:6 pixel ratio requires each game-screen pixel to be 5 monitor pixels wide (so 320x5 = 1600) and 6 pixels tall (200*6 = 1200) More proof that "1080p" is dumb and 16:10 monitors are superior. 
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Jan 30, 2016 19:21
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Rappaport posted:This reminded me of an awesome video wherein we discover that Quake can be played on an oscilloscope. I have two analog scopes with X-Y mode so I should compile this and give it a try.
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Jan 30, 2016 19:53
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Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person that prefers Shadow Warrior to Blood. 
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Jan 30, 2016 21:06
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closeted republican posted:Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person that prefers Shadow Warrior to Blood. Don't worry, Caleb can fix you.
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Jan 30, 2016 21:08
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closeted republican posted:Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person that prefers Shadow Warrior to Blood. It's you; you're the one who wants-a some Wang.
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Jan 30, 2016 21:35
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At least no one tries to defend Redneck Rampage. Well, the soundtrack was really good.
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Jan 30, 2016 22:23
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closeted republican posted:Sometimes I feel like I'm the only person that prefers Shadow Warrior to Blood. Hello, new friend! Let us frolic in the meadow with our superior opinions and leave the rabble to enjoy their bad games. 
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Jan 30, 2016 22:25
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Blood is also way too goddamn difficult. Even on the lowest difficulty it regularly beat me senseless.
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Jan 30, 2016 22:26
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Blood's zombie enemies are annoying, not good when they're the most used enemies in the game. Ammo is few and far between for anything that makes short work of the zombies, so you're better off saving it for more powerful enemies. Also Blood's voice acting is loving silly.
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Jan 30, 2016 22:28
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At least Shadow Warrior got a proper remake (and an upcoming sequel with coop), Blood got... Blood 2.
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Jan 30, 2016 22:33
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Narcissus1916 posted:Blood is also way too goddamn difficult. Even on the lowest difficulty it regularly beat me senseless. This is a bug. The enemy damage inverts the difficulty levels on a reload or something.
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Jan 30, 2016 22:39
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Is there any way to fix that? Other than just going for the 4th difficulty and reload so it becomes the... 2nd? I always played in normal mode wich gets untouched from what I know, still, really hosed up.
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Jan 30, 2016 22:42
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Woolie Wool posted:
1600x1200 is 4:3 though, although a 1920x1200 monitor could do the same thing with some black bars at the sides.
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Nition posted:More proof that "1080p" is dumb and 16:10 monitors are superior. 1600x1200 is 4:3 though, although a 1920x1200 monitor could do the same thing with some black bars at the sides. [/quote] 1920x1200 is 16:10.
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