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Pope Mobile posted:That means there are going to be more hiring announcements with better hiring criteria, right? RIGHT?  I think that they really just don't give a gently caress. Management likes to play it fast and loose in a job where we're supposed to be ready for and able to handle the poo poo hitting the fan at any moment. When we barely have enough people to open all of our sectors I like to throw out the "What are we going to do if someone sets Chicago Center on fire again?" to get the FLM to vacate the area.
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I play it fast and loose too; I can totally be a member of the Federal Aviation Administration!
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Pope Mobile posted:I play it fast and loose too; I can totally be a member of the Federal Aviation Administration! Anyone can. The question is...do you really want to?
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 : "Sunwing zero two five, say normal speed in the climb." : "Normal speed in the climb, Sunwing zero two five.":  I got the tape, too. It was too good not to save. The next sector tried to get her to do it again, but the other member of the flight crew didn't let her talk on the radio, after that.
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MrYenko posted:
 There's always one. I remember there being quite a few incorrect readbacks/callbacks/etc during flight school over at DAB. There was a pretty funny moment during my internship at ZSE while plugged in with a controller."Southwest twenty four thirty seven..." (don't remember the flight number) *5 second pass* "Yeeeeesssssss?" Sounded like this guy from the simpsons. D-side immediately busted up laughing. Really was the pilot's response that made it.
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MrYenko posted:
Much like anyone that has to deal with Sunwing in any way, I'm very sorry for you. Somehow it doesn't surprise me that their pilots are as incompetent as every other aspect of their operation.
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I had a pilot call me out for broadcasting on guard the other day. The thing was, he was broadcasting on my frequency, 121.15. I kindly informed him of this and didn't hear anything from him again
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Zochness posted:I had a pilot call me out for broadcasting on guard the other day. The thing was, he was broadcasting on my frequency, 121.15. I kindly informed him of this and didn't hear anything from him again That's badass
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Zochness posted:I had a pilot call me out for broadcasting on guard the other day. The thing was, he was broadcasting on my frequency, 121.15. I kindly informed him of this and didn't hear anything from him again "You're following a Pilatus 12 miles ahead." "...roger".
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I dream of one day calling overtaking Piaggio traffic to a Citation.
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MrYenko posted:I dream of one day calling overtaking Piaggio traffic to a Citation. You could have been the woman a few months ago who scolded me to slow down due to my 60 knot overtake on the 737 ahead of me. I was in a Beech 99 (pretty much, older King air)
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In news of the weird, Delta just released a study regarding what they think of ATC privatization
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Our government has become so dysfunctional that NATCA supports the privatization bill that was introduced today. What a loving world.
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There's no way that'll happen, right? Right?
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LOL if you think Congress can pass a healthy, clean bill that actually results in positive change in the ATC organization, in safety, or in efficiency. What we'll actually get is a bill written in its entirety by Lockheed-Martin's best lawyers.
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I don't think anything is going to actually happen, I just think it's pretty sad that our union thinks privatization is in our best interests because of how hosed up the government is.
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MrYenko posted:LOL if you think Congress can pass a healthy, clean bill that actually results in positive change in the ATC organization, in safety, or in efficiency. What we'll actually get is a bill written in its entirety by Lockheed-Martin's best lawyers. Ladies and gentleman, he has arrived. Welcome to the club man. I will literally die DIE laughing if the same poo poo that happened to FSS happens to ATC.
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Tommy 2.0 posted:Ladies and gentleman, he has arrived. Welcome to the club man. I will literally die DIE laughing if the same poo poo that happened to FSS happens to ATC.  The number of times I've had airplanes trying to airfile come back and file with me recently is ridiculous. gently caress LockMart.
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MrYenko posted:
Let me help you with that sound file: https://clyp.it/jhqi533m The gap at :05 seconds was my favorite part, as you hear our collective brains explode.
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I was going to post it, but got to the soundcloud registration page and  .
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TangoFox posted:Let me help you with that sound file: Oh this is great. A+ would listen again.
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It sounds to me like she thought she was being instructed to resume normal speed. I can't hear anything in her tone of voice to indicate that she was joking around. I guess anything's possible but I don't think it was intentional.
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I agree, but it's much better to imagine that she was playing with us.
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Well a lot of people live under a rock, so the latest announcement of NATCA supporting this bill was likely a BIG SURPRISE to a bunch of people. Even though NATCA has been stating this position for years.
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The Ferret King posted:Well a lot of people live under a rock, so the latest announcement of NATCA supporting this bill was likely a BIG SURPRISE to a bunch of people. Even though NATCA has been stating this position for years. I've heard a decent amount of "the last shutdown/furlough proved that they have to fund us so..." which is just double .
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I'm a union rep for our facility. Paul has been pushing this position for at least 2 years, and gave a speech last year at the Aero Club that basically highlights his intentions. I sent it out to my BUE's then, and everyone ignored me - now everyone seems really interested in it.
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Whats with YYZ approach control responding with "roger" after every readback? "Goon 1234 turn right heading 330 and maintain 4'000" "Heading 330 down to 4,000 goon1234" "roger" After literally every single readback.
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There's a NATCA dinner on Tuesday and Rinaldi is supposed to be there. I wonder what he's going to say about this.
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KodiakRS posted:Whats with YYZ approach control responding with "roger" after every readback? Vocal tic? Every controller has something they do that everyone else looks at them sideways for. I tend to say good afternoon to airplanes despite it being 6am, for instance.
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MrYenko posted:Every controller has something they do that everyone else looks at them sideways for. I tend to say good afternoon to airplanes despite it being 6am, for instance. My morning/afternoon/evening isn't even remotely consistent. On the controller rogering everything, I'll often say thanks or something after a readback because there have been a lot of times when I don't say anything and the pilot wants me to verify it as if silence was not what they expected to get.
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I've read that it is a requirement for Canadian ATC to have the last word with a "roger." Couldn't find a reference though. I don't know what Canada's ATC order is or where to find it.
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MrYenko posted:I tend to say good afternoon to airplanes despite it being 6am, for instance. Always "morning". My rationale- it's morning on half of the planet. Just round up. The same argument works for "afternoon/evening" if you prefer.
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KodiakRS posted:Whats with YYZ approach control responding with "roger" after every readback? I did this my first time in training, and I've seen multiple trainees throughout the years do it. They get it smacked out of their head (literal in my case) and stop normally. As for what TFK said about Canadian controllers? I have no idea how true that is.
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I've never flown IFR in Canada, but for VFR flights we always acknowledged instructions with the last three letters of our registration, never "roger." I've never flown in the US but I assume it's the same, no?
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Yes, but what they're saying is that Canadian controllers always close the loop again with "Roger." So even if you, as a pilot, acknowledge something they said, they STILL come back and say "Roger." There is a joke that you can get them into an infinite loop by rogering their roger (sounds dirty).
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The Ferret King posted:Yes, but what they're saying is that Canadian controllers always close the loop again with "Roger." So even if you, as a pilot, acknowledge something they said, they STILL come back and say "Roger." I'm gonna try this next week when we fly into Vancouver BC 
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The Ferret King posted:There is a joke that you can get them into an infinite loop by rogering their roger (sounds dirty). I think that's called docking. WHY THE ACTUAL gently caress DO I KNOW THAT
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The Ferret King posted:Yes, but what they're saying is that Canadian controllers always close the loop again with "Roger." So even if you, as a pilot, acknowledge something they said, they STILL come back and say "Roger." Do they, though (according to regulation)? It must be an IFR-only thing if it's not a controller-specific thing, because I've never heard it even after reading back a hold short. Now I'm curious...
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