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It's not at all about being unable to handle the idea of a feminine looking male. It's that instead of giving him a male model with soft feature, they gave him a female model. It's a weird design choice and the fact that literally everyone who looks at that picture can tell that it looks more female than male doesn't mean everyone is sexist or whatever weird agenda is being pushed here. It's an observation. Ramza is a boy, that was never under debate when I played Tactics, but now that he's in Dissidia he looks like Agrias.
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SonicRulez posted:It's not at all about being unable to handle the idea of a feminine looking male. It's that instead of giving him a male model with soft feature, they gave him a female model. It's a weird design choice and the fact that literally everyone who looks at that picture can tell that it looks more female than male doesn't mean everyone is sexist or whatever weird agenda is being pushed here. It's an observation. Ramza is a boy, that was never under debate when I played Tactics, but now that he's in Dissidia he looks like Agrias. i thought Ramza was a girl when i first played tactics granted i was 8 and didn't read poo poo. no agenda being pushed here just making observations!!!
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Jan 30, 2016 18:58
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It's not a female model, just fyi
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SonicRulez posted:It's not at all about being unable to handle the idea of a feminine looking male. It's that instead of giving him a male model with soft feature, they gave him a female model. It's a weird design choice and the fact that literally everyone who looks at that picture can tell that it looks more female than male doesn't mean everyone is sexist or whatever weird agenda is being pushed here. It's an observation. Ramza is a boy, that was never under debate when I played Tactics, but now that he's in Dissidia he looks like Agrias.
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Can't believe how clearly one can differentiate between Ramza's labia majora and minora on his model. hosed up how female it is.
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zedprime posted:While you are on a roll, do you have any observations on Kuja? Asscape thongs make him look more imposing.
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zedprime posted:While you are on a roll, do you have any observations on Kuja? Kuja is actually this thing done right! Kuja has stereotypically female characteristics like his thin waist and his clothes and how often he's prone to prancing about. Despite all of that, Kuja still looks like a dude. That's the distinction to be made. Ramza doesn't look like a feminine guy in that screenshot, he looks like a girl. Contrast to Kuja whose gender I have never been confused about. Same for Genesis or Riku from Kingdom Hearts or any of the other "All Final Fantasy guys look like chicks lol".
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Baal posted:If they have a chaos char from Tactics I would say Delita is shoo in, yes. Delita or Weigraf would be the chaos character. Probably Weigraf since it'd be a better fit and he very much wants to murder the hell out of Ramza. It also means he gets to turn in to Belias as part of whatever super attack ability he'd have. Delita wouldn't have anything that interesting to work with. Belias is also the last Ultimate fight that was used for the FFT event in FFRK.  e: Dissidia Ramza is basically Taylor Hanson.
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They are not using hard character motivations for character choices otherwise they never would've added Gabranth, Shantotto, or even Jecht for that matter. It's about character popularity and what works for the game especially since this is an arcade game first and won't have a story mode until the console version in like 2017 or 18. I mean it's possible Wiegraf makes it in, but Delita works for an opposing character to Ramza and people seem to talk about him a lot more in general.
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Jan 30, 2016 19:07
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Tidus' hard character motivation for Yuna
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Baal posted:They are not using hard character motivations for character choices otherwise they never would've added Gabranth, Shantotto, or even Jecht for that matter. It's about character popularity and what works for the game especially since this is an arcade game first and won't have a story mode until the console version in like 2017 or 18. I thought hard character motivation is exactly why they added Jecht instead of Seymour. They felt Seymour was more Yuna's villain and they weren't going to add Yuna over Tidus. So with Tidus came Jecht. Gabranth and Shantotto weren't subject to this since they were the only representatives from their Fantasy in the original Dissidia.
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It's almost as though removing these characters entirely from the situations that normally drive them would change their motivations.
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SonicRulez posted:I thought hard character motivation is exactly why they added Jecht instead of Seymour. They felt Seymour was more Yuna's villain and they weren't going to add Yuna over Tidus. So with Tidus came Jecht. Gabranth and Shantotto weren't subject to this since they were the only representatives from their Fantasy in the original Dissidia. My point is fan favorites and promoting new games gets in over who is possibly thematically appropriate since even in Dissidia's story mode character motivations got changed a lot for the sake of the story the game was trying to tell.
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I'm just relieved Ramza doesn't look like Gackt. Still wish they had gone with the spiky armor.
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It'll be an alternate costume for him when the game is done and they have time to make those.
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If we go by Tactics Ogre definitions then Delita would be Lawful and Ramza would be Chaos/Neutral
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Dissidia wish list Seifer (I would actually be ok with like half of VIII's party members being in Dissidia because they're cool + have more interesting weapons than most FF characters but most people would probably hate that) Steiner/Freya Sazh Balthier Paine??? (an X-2 character would be cool if they made the garment grid/dressphere thing a part of their moveset) Help Im Alive fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Jan 30, 2016 |
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I'm curious who 13's Chaos rep would be. A Ruin-spamming Dysley? Caius, technically not being from the game be damned? Joke option Yaag Rosch, the Man Who Died Thrice? Actually Cid might work if not for the name, and even that won't be an issue if they're throwing out the plot.
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Terper posted:If we go by Tactics Ogre definitions then Delita would be Lawful and Ramza would be Chaos/Neutral Dissidia needs Tactics Ogres characters. We could have Lans and Lans. 
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Sabin and his attacks are mostly comprised of suplexing large things on people.
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Terper posted:Delita ... Neutral Delita does have a depressing ending so this checks out.
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Edward or Galuf as a Bard would be pretty awesome. e: he could inflict disorienting status effects.
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Arrrthritis posted:Edward or Galuf as a Bard would be pretty awesome. Galuf should be a Geomancer. They should also add Montblanc.
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AlphaKretin posted:I'm curious who 13's Chaos rep would be. A Ruin-spamming Dysley? Caius, technically not being from the game be damned? Joke option Yaag Rosch, the Man Who Died Thrice? I'd say Caius is most likely followed by Cid and LR Snow Dysley would be neat tho
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AlphaKretin posted:I'm curious who 13's Chaos rep would be. A Ruin-spamming Dysley? Caius, technically not being from the game be damned? Joke option Yaag Rosch, the Man Who Died Thrice? God or bust, man. Though that could be a huuuuge spoiler for those who weren't into the trilogy. But yeah, Caius and Evil Snow. Also Brynhildr maybe.
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Baal posted:My point is fan favorites and promoting new games gets in over who is possibly thematically appropriate since even in Dissidia's story mode character motivations got changed a lot for the sake of the story the game was trying to tell. I don't really see that. Kain got into Duodecim, but he's a thematically appropriate foil for Cecil. Especially with the story they wanted to tell with him. Balthier didn't get in despite being far and away the fan favorite from FFXII. Same for Fran. The only proper example I can think of for a fan favorite getting in over a character with a proper relationship to the rest is Gilgamesh.
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E:^^^ Nomura wanted Kain in from the original Dissidia IIRC. It's about them, not fans. We love Gilgamesh but he was put in for being a recurring character.widespread posted:God or bust, man. Though that could be a huuuuge spoiler for those who weren't into the trilogy. But yeah, Caius and Evil Snow. Also Brynhildr maybe. Dissidia doesn't seem to have qualms with spoilers, what with every stage in the PSP games being the final dungeon and the presence of Cloud of Darkness and Ultimecia, but from what I've seen I don't think the Big B would be a particularly good option for a normal-sized humanoid fighting game fighter.
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SonicRulez posted:I don't really see that. Kain got into Duodecim, but he's a thematically appropriate foil for Cecil. Especially with the story they wanted to tell with him. Balthier didn't get in despite being far and away the fan favorite from FFXII. Same for Fran. The only proper example I can think of for a fan favorite getting in over a character with a proper relationship to the rest is Gilgamesh. Kain is one of the most popular FFIV characters and Vaan is the face of FFXII. Like the entire Duodecim cast is fan favorites except Feral Chaos obviously
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Say, didn't Nomura want Sazh in 012? 
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AlphaKretin posted:E:^^^ Nomura wanted Kain in from the original Dissidia IIRC. It's about them, not fans. We love Gilgamesh but he was put in for being a recurring character. Point. Though the main badguy could pretty much be one of them AI controlled bosses. Or the loving tutorial levels since GOTTA HAVE LIGHTNIN' TEACH YA HOW TO PLAY. So safe choices would definitely be Caius/Evil Snow. But my choice goes to Brynhildr.
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How many characters are currently known? I could've sworn SE said they're planning on having like 50 characters for the endgame product.
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Tae posted:How many characters are currently known? I could've sworn SE said they're planning on having like 50 characters for the endgame product. A representative from each mainline game (except XV) plus Ramza so 15 right now. Electric Phantasm fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Jan 30, 2016 |
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Tae posted:How many characters are currently known? I could've sworn SE said they're planning on having like 50 characters for the endgame product. 15 currently - Warrior of Light, Firion, Onion Knight, Cecil, Bartz, Terra, Cloud, Squall, Zidane, Tidus, Shantoto, Lightning, Y'solta (spelling?) and Ramza. [e]: Beaten. Pesky Splinter fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Jan 30, 2016 |
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AlphaKretin posted:I'm curious who 13's Chaos rep would be. A Ruin-spamming Dysley? Caius, technically not being from the game be damned? Joke option Yaag Rosch, the Man Who Died Thrice? Superjoke option Jihl Nabaat
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Josuke Higashikata posted:Sabin and his attacks are mostly comprised of suplexing large things on people. Sazh and Sabin, then Dissidia will be good again.
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I picked up FF Explorers today and it seems cute and fun, but it's super easy. Maybe it's because I went back and the monsters are tuned early on for a white mage to slowly beat them to death? Things dying in one Explosive Fist combo is a bit much though. Still, as someone who never liked the plodding nature of MH, I do really like how Reesonance makes you rush around.
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AlphaKretin posted:I'm curious who 13's Chaos rep would be. A Ruin-spamming Dysley? Caius, technically not being from the game be damned? Joke option Yaag Rosch, the Man Who Died Thrice? Obviously it will be Jihl, the character so awful she got casually killed by the real villain and was never spoken of again. And yet she was still given her own lovely DLC fight for the sequel. Rosch at least had a personality. Anyway, XIII Reps in order of likeliness: Caius >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Barthandelus >>>>> everyone else It wouldn't make any real sense, thematically. Caius and Lightning have pretty much no connection. But the dude is more popular than pretty much any other FFXIII-verse character. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Jan 30, 2016 |
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