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Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

FogHelmut posted:

So then Sonarr is like a Sickbeard/Sabnzbd?

The big difference between Sonarr and Sickbeard is that Sonarr automatically handles issues retrying failed downloads.

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Ixian
Oct 9, 2001

Many machines on Ix....new machines
Pillbug
The other big difference is Sonarr is better than Sickbeard in just about every aspect and is still being actively developed.

TheScott2K
Oct 26, 2003

I'm just saying, there's a nonzero chance Trump has a really toad penis.
I'd like to be IRL friends with whoever bought me this title

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


if I'm looking to stream Netflix, Amazon Prime, HBO, maybe football, and watch Blu-Ray/DVD discs -- what are the advantages of a Roku + cheap blu-ray player vs. a Blu-ray player that also has apps?

I'm looking for a setup cheaper than a XBone or PS4, with minimal number of cords to plug in, that handles the above streaming and disc watching. Stuff is getting plugged into a HDTV that has HDMI audio out back to my speaker setup. Not sure what to go for ... thoughts?

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

pmchem posted:

if I'm looking to stream Netflix, Amazon Prime, HBO, maybe football, and watch Blu-Ray/DVD discs -- what are the advantages of a Roku + cheap blu-ray player vs. a Blu-ray player that also has apps?

I'm looking for a setup cheaper than a XBone or PS4, with minimal number of cords to plug in, that handles the above streaming and disc watching. Stuff is getting plugged into a HDTV that has HDMI audio out back to my speaker setup. Not sure what to go for ... thoughts?

If you're looking to stream Amazon Prime you're going to need a Fire Stick or Fire TV. Unless there's a haxor way around it, they're the only streaming devices that currently support Amazon video.

WithoutTheFezOn
Aug 28, 2005
Oh no

Medullah posted:

If you're looking to stream Amazon Prime you're going to need a Fire Stick or Fire TV. Unless there's a haxor way around it, they're the only streaming devices that currently support Amazon video.
No, that's not right. Roku has had an Amazon Video app for many years.

As for pmchem's question, the little experience I've had with app-enabled blu ray players shows the apps are generally crappy and hardly ever get updated.

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

WithoutTheFezOn posted:

No, that's not right. Roku has had an Amazon Video app for many years.

As for pmchem's question, the little experience I've had with app-enabled blu ray players shows the apps are generally crappy and hardly ever get updated.

Ah cool, thought they turned all those off with the Fire launch.

But yeah - another vote for not relying on Blu-Ray apps. I have one where the Netflix app has literally never been updated.

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


man I wish Apple or Roku or someone would just release a box that integrated a blu-ray player into their streaming device. I'm replacing a dead 360 that was never used for gaming. So the consensus is Roku + blu-ray player, which I guess will be ~$100-$150 cheaper than buying a xbone or ps4?

Roku or anything similar have issues with comcast? Like, I know you can't stream HBO on ps4's with comcast because of a sony/comcast feud.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


More than just the Fire and Roku have Amazon.

Both my Sony blu-ray player and TV have amazon apps. Most smart TVs have Amazon apps. There's also all the consoles as well. When you really get down to it, Play Movies has far less device compatibility than Amazon.

Silly Burrito
Nov 27, 2007

SET A COURSE FOR
THE FLAVOR QUADRANT

bull3964 posted:

More than just the Fire and Roku have Amazon.

Both my Sony blu-ray player and TV have amazon apps. Most smart TVs have Amazon apps. There's also all the consoles as well. When you really get down to it, Play Movies has far less device compatibility than Amazon.

But do they all support Amazon Prime? I remember a while back, maybe it was my TiVo, but for the longest time it wouldn't play Prime videos.

Ixian
Oct 9, 2001

Many machines on Ix....new machines
Pillbug
They don't. Prime support is pretty spotty across "Smart" TVs and the like.

General rule of thumb I stick to pretty much echos what others just posted - avoid apps built in to Smart TVs, BD Players, etc. They are functional but more often then not slow, don't support the full feature set/etc., and are often several generations behind what you would find with a decent dedicated streaming device. That is a polite way of saying they are poo poo, really.

No one single device covers all the bases today. The Roku is your best bet for single device coverage overall unless you are really in to the Apple ecosystem (in which case just get the new Apple TV). Roku's app framework doesn't allow for the fastest/best looking apps but it is functional and has Amazon, Netflix, most of the premium TV services like HBO, etc.

FireTV/Stick are also decent, though personally I think the way Amazon handles their own content on those sucks since they try to sprinkle it around the interface instead of sticking everything in a central app.

My personal favorite, and what I use, is the Shield TV - it is really fast, Android apps generally look good and respond well, and it does a great job of running Kodi as well. However it doesn't have Amazon video/Prime (though it could, that is just Amazon being lovely).

Since the new Apple TV is confirmed to get Prime video in the near future, the ultimate combo would be a Shield + Apple TV with a universal remote to switch between them - then you'd have access to all the major ecosystems (and for apps on both platforms, you could pick the one you like best). I am not saying this is an ideal situation, but it is what it is.

Call Me Charlie
Dec 3, 2005

by Smythe

pmchem posted:

man I wish Apple or Roku or someone would just release a box that integrated a blu-ray player into their streaming device. I'm replacing a dead 360 that was never used for gaming. So the consensus is Roku + blu-ray player, which I guess will be ~$100-$150 cheaper than buying a xbone or ps4?

Roku or anything similar have issues with comcast? Like, I know you can't stream HBO on ps4's with comcast because of a sony/comcast feud.

This Sony BDPS6500 Blu-Ray player is under $100 and has Amazon Prime support plus a bunch of other apps. You could give it a go and see if you need to augment it with a Roku later.

Honestly, the interface doesn't look that bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WU_KP-pepA

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


Call Me Charlie posted:

This Sony BDPS6500 Blu-Ray player is under $100 and has Amazon Prime support plus a bunch of other apps. You could give it a go and see if you need to augment it with a Roku later.

Honestly, the interface doesn't look that bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WU_KP-pepA

yeah, I actually marked the 3500 (cheaper variant, no 3D or 4K support -- which I don't need for now) on amazon last night and may order it. See how it goes, order Roku or some kind of new xbox lite if/when needed. Cheap player so not much investment.

Call Me Charlie
Dec 3, 2005

by Smythe

pmchem posted:

yeah, I actually marked the 3500 (cheaper variant, no 3D or 4K support -- which I don't need for now) on amazon last night and may order it. See how it goes, order Roku or some kind of new xbox lite if/when needed. Cheap player so not much investment.

The S6500 has a dual core processor so you may want to keep that in mind if you're looking for it to be your streaming box (but I can't find any hard numbers so who knows how much of a performance jump it is)

quote:

A powerful Dual Core Processor ensures fast, lag-free performance. Web pages load more quickly, movies and media such as YouTube™ videos stream faster, and playback appears noticeably smoother. Even navigation is quicker and more responsive, so you can enjoy a frustration-free entertainment experience.

http://www.sony.com/electronics/blu-ray-disc-players/bdp-s6500/specifications

Call Me Charlie fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Feb 1, 2016

pmchem
Jan 22, 2010


hmm, annoyingly I just saw that the blu-ray players do not support HBO Now or HBO Go. And ps4/xbone don't support HBO Now. It's looking increasingly difficult to do a one-device solution.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


Silly Burrito posted:

But do they all support Amazon Prime? I remember a while back, maybe it was my TiVo, but for the longest time it wouldn't play Prime videos.

Most I have seen have, yes.

Meydey
Dec 31, 2005
So...Comcast success story:
Previously had the Blast Plus package which came to $110/month. Decided to ditch TV and see if I could get a deal on Internet only so went in store with my equipment already boxed up.
Blast plus had Performance internet (75mb) which gave me speeds around 59down/6up. Wanted to stay around that range and was quoted $74.95. My wife was with me and said that was too much, lets try Quest dsl.
I said Ok, and started to walk when the rep said that he could close my account and reopen under my wifes name as a new customer. I was skeptical but he offered Blast Pro for $59.99...so I said yes.
Did the signup under my wifes name, moved the modem over, put a request in to port the email address over.
By the time we got home, the modem was back online, and first speedtest was 143down/12up. I am still waiting for them to gently caress up the bill or something but I am actually happy with the service now.

Meydey fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Feb 10, 2016

Blackchamber
Jan 25, 2005

Meydey posted:

So...Comcast success story:
Previously had the Blast Plus package which came to $110/month. Decided to ditch TV and see if I could get a deal on Internet only so went in store with my equipment already boxed up.
Blast plus had Performance internet (75mb) which gave me speeds around 59down/6up. Wanted to stay around that range and was quoted $74.95. My wife was with me and said that was too much, lets try Quest dsl.
I said Ok, and started to walk when the rep said that he could close my account and reopen under my wifes name as a new customer. I was skeptical but he offered Blast Pro for $59.99...so I said yes.
Did the signup under my wifes name, moved the modem over, put a request in to port the email address over.
By the time we got home, the modem was back online, and first speedtest was 143down/12up. I am still waiting for them to gently caress up the bill or something but I am actually happy with the service now.

I've been doing something similar for the last 3 or 4 years. I call up and cancel service when my current promotion is over, rotate to a different email, and then sign up for new service. Same name, same payment info, sometimes same address (or I move), different email. I've had trouble in the past with bad cable lines that were cut by some neighbor digging up a flowerbed and so on that I just opt for the tech installs now, and the last time the guy who came out was more than happy to give me a 'new customer' install discount and which made it free. All this has led me to believe that they don't track anyones information in any meaningful way or because it looks good to the CEOs that they have X amount of 'new customers' each year that they just don't care.

EDIT: so yeah nothing to be skeptical about. When the promo runs out next year don't bother making a show of bringing back the equipment (you shouldnt be renting that anyways) and all that car salesman walk away tactics, just cancel and reopen in your name. Flip flop flip flop.

Blackchamber fucked around with this message at 13:03 on Feb 10, 2016

Meydey
Dec 31, 2005
Yeah, the boxes I had to bring back were the digital receivers for tv.
I am just surprised by how easy they made it to kind of scam the system. I have been in that house for 18 years, so its not like the address was new or anything.
Still expect them to gently caress up the bill or something though.

BigFactory
Sep 17, 2002

Meydey posted:

Yeah, the boxes I had to bring back were the digital receivers for tv.
I am just surprised by how easy they made it to kind of scam the system. I have been in that house for 18 years, so its not like the address was new or anything.
Still expect them to gently caress up the bill or something though.

You're running the less offensive scam here.

Ixian
Oct 9, 2001

Many machines on Ix....new machines
Pillbug

Meydey posted:

Yeah, the boxes I had to bring back were the digital receivers for tv.
I am just surprised by how easy they made it to kind of scam the system. I have been in that house for 18 years, so its not like the address was new or anything.
Still expect them to gently caress up the bill or something though.

It's not a scam, it's the business model. I'm serious.

Product price modeling is an area of modern business that MBA math whizzes have taken to extremes. One important tenant is you never, ever want to lower the floor of your base price model, particularly for service businesses (retail products have a similar method throughout their calculated lifespan, which is why you don't see "permanent" price reductions on things like game consoles; instead you get cheap bundles, new sku's, or holiday discounts).

For a cable company, lowering the base price overall is untenable - in their eyes that will just start a race to the bottom (and chances are it would). So instead you get all manner of 12 to 24 month promotions, etc.

However they hate losing customers even worse. This method - really threatening to cancel, maybe even going through it - helps stem that. It's no scam - a lot of cable companies actually have it as part of the plan to offer you a promotional rate (often tied to something else, like a renewed commitment) if it gets to that point. They aren't going to advertise it because if it were easy everyone would simply do it when their promo pricing expired.

I'm not saying this is a good thing or even that it makes any sense whatsoever, it's just how the business has evolved.

Tyson Tomko
May 8, 2005

The Problem Solver.

Blackchamber posted:

...I've had trouble in the past with bad cable lines that were cut by some neighbor digging up a flowerbed and so on that I just opt for the tech installs now...

I've got Mediacom cable in Illinois. When I bought my house about 6 years ago they said they'd have to run new cable underground due to crappy line results (all lines in my subdivision are underground and it owns) and so they did. About a year later, one day my Internet crashed and crashed hard. The lights on the modem pretty well said "drat something major is wrong, I have 0 connection" and what do you know my neighbor was out there with a backhoe widening his ditch.

Seeing some orange cable remnants all but sealed the deal so I gave Mediacom a call. I fully expected to be charged at least a visit for this, because it wasn't technically their fault at all, but nope dude came out and ran a new cable free of charge. The only downside was the cable didn't get buried (by one of those chainsaw looking trench digging backhoe dealios, you know what I mean) for another 3 weeks so there was a cable layed across my yard for a while. 3 weeks later it was buried, and once again no charge!

It's not everyday I get to brag about an ISP but I will brag about these guys, they have taken care of me. More recently we were able to get a big discount on our internet package so here's story number 2. I've been with then since the mid 2000s and yet I was happy paying them a bunch per month for decent service. Then one day I heard about a friend having a really cheap rate compared to mine, and thought hey I'll give them a call and see if I can get a discount.

So I call them, they said you need to speak with our loyalty department, they transfer me. Guy says "sorry we can't do this over the phone, we'll email one of our retention specialists and get back with you" yet they never did. So I call again that weekend, get to same department, and I explain what they told me last time. This newer lady (super nice too) was all "say what? I can do that for you over the phone now if you want, I don't mind" so in a matter of 5 minute she cut 60% off my bill and said it'll stay that way until I change my package, woohoo!

They removed every line item from my bill I've been told previously could not be removed, like "high speed internet access" and even though they'd already removed my $5 modem rental fee, she took ANOTHER 5 dollars off and said they should have done that before too. Whether that modem part was right or not I'm not sure, but you can bet your rear end I'm fine with not paying extra. I was all prepared to say I was switching and everything but the process was so easy! So I highly recommend simply calling and asking for a discount if you haven't already.

So the point I'm trying to make kind of agrees with the post above me. They can afford to give people like me discounts willy nilly just because so many people are 100% fine with paying extremely bloated fees and probably not even aware of it.

-- Just realized I never said any dollar amounts. Went from paying $65+ a month for a decent internet package to paying $30.95 a month for a decent internet package with an additional upload boost. Wrap it up I'll take it!

Tyson Tomko fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Feb 10, 2016

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

FYI, Cheese NIPS are not the same as Cheez ITS

pmchem posted:

yeah, I actually marked the 3500 (cheaper variant, no 3D or 4K support -- which I don't need for now) on amazon last night and may order it. See how it goes, order Roku or some kind of new xbox lite if/when needed. Cheap player so not much investment.

I have a much older sony bluray player with "apps" that I really don't like. Slow UI, the apps themselves were pretty terrible, etc. It basically only supported amazon and netflix and whatever garbage thing sony has.

If they're outfitting them with dual-core CPUs now that might help the slowness, but probably not the UI.


pmchem posted:

man I wish Apple or Roku or someone would just release a box that integrated a blu-ray player into their streaming device. I'm replacing a dead 360 that was never used for gaming. So the consensus is Roku + blu-ray player, which I guess will be ~$100-$150 cheaper than buying a xbone or ps4?

Roku or anything similar have issues with comcast? Like, I know you can't stream HBO on ps4's with comcast because of a sony/comcast feud.

Blu-ray is going to be its own beast. The app-based streamers aren't going to do it because it jacks up the cost, development/certification/etc., and the future they envision doesn't involve plastic disks anyway so why bother. Consoles probably come closest on this but as noted xbone/ps4 don't have HBO now, just HBO go.

jabro
Mar 25, 2003

July Mock Draft 2014

1st PLACE
RUNNER-UP
got the knowshon


You guys go through a lot of trouble where a 10 minute phone call would have done it. When I was with DirecTV I would just call every year and get free Sunday Ticket and my $110 package dropped to $60. Don't even talk to the first tech. Just ask for retention and be done.

DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?

jabro posted:

You guys go through a lot of trouble where a 10 minute phone call would have done it. When I was with DirecTV I would just call every year and get free Sunday Ticket and my $110 package dropped to $60. Don't even talk to the first tech. Just ask for retention and be done.

The whole point of this discussion is outlining that it doesn't work like that anymore. How long ago was this?

Meydey
Dec 31, 2005

jabro posted:

You guys go through a lot of trouble where a 10 minute phone call would have done it. When I was with DirecTV I would just call every year and get free Sunday Ticket and my $110 package dropped to $60. Don't even talk to the first tech. Just ask for retention and be done.

Well, I did have equipment to drop off. Plus the new Comcast stores are halfway decent. I was able to watch the screen as he configured our new account. Even got to point out in the device list for my account the difference between a Motorola 6121 and a Zoom 5341J. He wanted the MAC for the Zoom and claimed he never noticed the model number column. It has only taken me 4 years to get the drat 6121 off my equipment list.

Also, my wife made fun of the fact that the demo tv in the Comcast store was pixelating...just like at home!

EconOutlines
Jul 3, 2004

I have "Blast" through Comcast and pay $49.99 a month for 100/10. My promotional period was at $35 and then they tried to jack it up to $75 a month.

I find blasting them on Twitter is effective. They hate negative press, especially via social media.

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS
I have a reminder to call and cancel Comcast once every 6 months. About 4 years ago I got a really cool Comcast rep on the phone when I was legitimately going to cancel and cut the cord. He told me that it's a win win situation when they lower a rate in retentions - They have the authorization to offer any promotion that is currently available to new customers to customers who are thinking of cancelling their subscription without any type of management approval, and they actually get credit themselves for a "successful retention" when they do so. So you get a cheaper price, they get props from their boss, it's best for everyone.

He told me that as long as I call and basically tell them "I can't pay more than $X per month" they'll find something that fits. And I've had the same basic package for the last 4 years, Blast! internet at top tier, Digital Starter or Standard depending on the promotion, and HBO for about $90 a month. The current promotion I got they actually gave me for 2 years.

I know this is the cutting cable thread, but internet alone wouldn't have been that much cheaper. Add that to a HD HomeRun as a DVR and it's a nice setup.

Cyrano4747
Sep 25, 2006

Yes, I know I'm old, get off my fucking lawn so I can yell at these clouds.

Meydey posted:

Well, I did have equipment to drop off. Plus the new Comcast stores are halfway decent. I was able to watch the screen as he configured our new account. Even got to point out in the device list for my account the difference between a Motorola 6121 and a Zoom 5341J. He wanted the MAC for the Zoom and claimed he never noticed the model number column. It has only taken me 4 years to get the drat 6121 off my equipment list.

Also, my wife made fun of the fact that the demo tv in the Comcast store was pixelating...just like at home!

I hope you got a receipt. The last time I dropped a box off at a comcast office they insisted they never got it.

canyonero
Aug 3, 2006

Medullah posted:

I have a reminder to call and cancel Comcast once every 6 months. About 4 years ago I got a really cool Comcast rep on the phone when I was legitimately going to cancel and cut the cord. He told me that it's a win win situation when they lower a rate in retentions - They have the authorization to offer any promotion that is currently available to new customers to customers who are thinking of cancelling their subscription without any type of management approval, and they actually get credit themselves for a "successful retention" when they do so. So you get a cheaper price, they get props from their boss, it's best for everyone.

He told me that as long as I call and basically tell them "I can't pay more than $X per month" they'll find something that fits. And I've had the same basic package for the last 4 years, Blast! internet at top tier, Digital Starter or Standard depending on the promotion, and HBO for about $90 a month. The current promotion I got they actually gave me for 2 years.

I know this is the cutting cable thread, but internet alone wouldn't have been that much cheaper. Add that to a HD HomeRun as a DVR and it's a nice setup.

Many of Comcast's deals these days have 2 year terms with early termination agreements. Are you just making sure you don't sign up for a deal that includes that, or are you getting around the ETF somehow in these calls?

Medullah
Aug 14, 2003

FEAR MY SHARK ROCKET IT REALLY SUCKS AND BLOWS

canyonero posted:

Many of Comcast's deals these days have 2 year terms with early termination agreements. Are you just making sure you don't sign up for a deal that includes that, or are you getting around the ETF somehow in these calls?

Yeah, this time I got the two year commitment with the ETF. But I have no plans of cancelling, it's the price I need for a while.

Previously it was just 6 month promos with no contract.

MrBond
Feb 19, 2004

FYI, Cheese NIPS are not the same as Cheez ITS

canyonero posted:

Many of Comcast's deals these days have 2 year terms with early termination agreements. Are you just making sure you don't sign up for a deal that includes that, or are you getting around the ETF somehow in these calls?

Yeah they've been getting shittier about this. As long as you don't plan on moving to a bad Comcast area and/or actually cancelling you're fine though. As long as the retention pricing is actually good I'm fine with it. It is an annoying hassle that you have to call in for it though. I'm guessing it's all about the opportunity to upsell you on a different package every once in a while.

Harsh Tokerman
Oct 25, 2004

Medullah posted:

Stuff about using the retentions department for new customer deals

This works for other cable companies as well. I use Bright House, and noticed my previous promo ended and my 50/5 internet service went up to $70 a month. I called them and spoke to retentions, and was able to upgrade to a 100/10 connection for $35 a month for the next year. I guess they started that promotion for new customers, and I happened to call while it was still being offered. My location may be undersold too, because I get 15% higher speeds than advertised.

Thwomp
Apr 10, 2003

BA-DUHHH

Grimey Drawer
Note that Inspect Your Gadgets does have a thread dedicated to talking about ISPs. Not pimping it just because it's my thread.

It's the weirdest business model but if they actually lowered prices to the same margins as say most consumer electronics, they'd never raise them again and no one would take 79.99 a month seriously.

Meydey
Dec 31, 2005

canyonero posted:

Many of Comcast's deals these days have 2 year terms with early termination agreements. Are you just making sure you don't sign up for a deal that includes that, or are you getting around the ETF somehow in these calls?

I got Blast Pro (150/10) for $59.99, 12 months but with an etf. The way it is billed is:
HSD Performance 25 $59.99
Service Discount (-$19.96)
Speed Increase $30.
Service Discount (-$10.00)

Total $59.99

I will be making phone calls/office visits in Feb 2017

Fuzz
Jun 2, 2003

Avatar brought to you by the TG Sanity fund

smackfu posted:

Another option for sports and other live events is OTA HDTV.

This antenna is $35, very small, and has great reviews.
http://www.amazon.com/Paper-Thin-Leaf-Indoor-Antenna/dp/B004QK7HI8

Your mileage will vary of course. If you live in a state with smaller cities that don't have their own TV transmitters, you may only be able to pick up a channel or two. But if you can pick up some channels, you may be pleasantly surprised at how good the quality is compared to cable or DTV.

There are some alternative (cheaper) options out nowadays...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B017NR6HG8?keywords=HD%20Antenna&qid=1458429093&ref_=sr_1_1&sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B019JSNJHO?keywords=HD%20Antenna&qid=1458429093&ref_=sr_1_2&sr=8-2

They both have great reviews, anyone have any experience with them?

Chris Walken
Jul 17, 2003

do the hokey pokey
I'm looking into getting rid of cable TV and switching to a streaming box for all my brain-cell-killing needs (ok, most--there's still beer). Ideally I'd like one box that I can use to stream and also play back my mkv/x265 files. Even better would be if the same box could download and store said mkvs through my favorite torrent sites. External storage on a USB drive would be fine as long as the interface is clean and user friendly. My current HTPC is an annoying as gently caress Windows 8 box that's basically just a desktop computer hooked up to my AVR/TV system, and I'm looking to get into a nicer, cleaner interface that's designed more for media.

My strict requirements are:
  • Can stream Netflix, HBO Go, Starz Play
  • Can play MKV files
  • Outputs 5.1 audio for every source that has it

Nice, but not required:
  • Can stream Amazon content, Showtime Anytime, and MAX Go
  • Can install and stream live TV through DirecTV app (thanks mom!)

It seems like the best bet for what I want to do is the Nvidia Shield TV. I've been reading up on it and it seems plenty powerful, and some casual gaming is a nice added bonus. That said, I have zero experience with Kodi/Plex/all that kind of poo poo since, like I said, I've basically just been using my HTPC like a desktop and playing my torrented mkv files with VLC like a jabroni. If I were to hook up an external USB drive, install Kodi and some sort of torrent client, would I be able to navigate to my favorite torrent site, download to my heart's content, and actually play my media without wanting to tear my hair out because the interface is terrible? I'm not worried about the streaming side of things since it seems the Shield is more than capable of handling it, I just want to see if it's possible to get a nice mkv download and playback experience in the same box I use for streaming. Or am I getting too ambitious and the technology isn't there yet for a one-box solution and I should just get a Roku for streaming and figure out something else for my evil pirating ways? Any and all advice is much appreciated.

Ixian
Oct 9, 2001

Many machines on Ix....new machines
Pillbug

Chris Walken posted:

I'm looking into getting rid of cable TV and switching to a streaming box for all my brain-cell-killing needs (ok, most--there's still beer). Ideally I'd like one box that I can use to stream and also play back my mkv/x265 files. Even better would be if the same box could download and store said mkvs through my favorite torrent sites. External storage on a USB drive would be fine as long as the interface is clean and user friendly. My current HTPC is an annoying as gently caress Windows 8 box that's basically just a desktop computer hooked up to my AVR/TV system, and I'm looking to get into a nicer, cleaner interface that's designed more for media.

My strict requirements are:
  • Can stream Netflix, HBO Go, Starz Play
  • Can play MKV files
  • Outputs 5.1 audio for every source that has it

Nice, but not required:
  • Can stream Amazon content, Showtime Anytime, and MAX Go
  • Can install and stream live TV through DirecTV app (thanks mom!)

It seems like the best bet for what I want to do is the Nvidia Shield TV. I've been reading up on it and it seems plenty powerful, and some casual gaming is a nice added bonus. That said, I have zero experience with Kodi/Plex/all that kind of poo poo since, like I said, I've basically just been using my HTPC like a desktop and playing my torrented mkv files with VLC like a jabroni. If I were to hook up an external USB drive, install Kodi and some sort of torrent client, would I be able to navigate to my favorite torrent site, download to my heart's content, and actually play my media without wanting to tear my hair out because the interface is terrible? I'm not worried about the streaming side of things since it seems the Shield is more than capable of handling it, I just want to see if it's possible to get a nice mkv download and playback experience in the same box I use for streaming. Or am I getting too ambitious and the technology isn't there yet for a one-box solution and I should just get a Roku for streaming and figure out something else for my evil pirating ways? Any and all advice is much appreciated.

The Shield is a great box, yes. It won't do Amazon because they insist on keeping Prime to their own devices but it will do everything else. If you really need Amazon then the FireTV is also a decent choice, though you'll need to use Amazon's App store + something like Firestarter to get Kodi. Which isn't hard, but is an extra set of steps.

One thing I am not clear on - you want the same device to also handle torrent downloading? While there are Android clients for that none of them are very good compared to what you get with a standalone box. The ideal setup you'll see these days is a NAS (either prebuilt, like Synology or QNap, or a DYI, like I use with FreeNAS) that handles download clients (torrent, NZB, whatever) plus central file storage however if that is too much infrastructure then a Shield with a USB drive + Kodi will work provided you have a way to get downloads over to it automatically. Which probably isn't too difficult to automate though that isn't a use case I am familiar with myself.

Chris Walken
Jul 17, 2003

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Ixian posted:

The Shield is a great box, yes. It won't do Amazon because they insist on keeping Prime to their own devices but it will do everything else. If you really need Amazon then the FireTV is also a decent choice, though you'll need to use Amazon's App store + something like Firestarter to get Kodi. Which isn't hard, but is an extra set of steps.

One thing I am not clear on - you want the same device to also handle torrent downloading? While there are Android clients for that none of them are very good compared to what you get with a standalone box. The ideal setup you'll see these days is a NAS (either prebuilt, like Synology or QNap, or a DYI, like I use with FreeNAS) that handles download clients (torrent, NZB, whatever) plus central file storage however if that is too much infrastructure then a Shield with a USB drive + Kodi will work provided you have a way to get downloads over to it automatically. Which probably isn't too difficult to automate though that isn't a use case I am familiar with myself.
I'd like to avoid Amazon's own hardware since they're such whores when it comes to pimping their own content. I like that the Shield is agnostic when it comes to that, and the Roku too for that matter but I don't think it's as good an option for mkv playback. Although the Fire TV may be nice to have if I ever considering getting Playstation VUE--but hopefully being able to stream from the DirecTV app will make that a moot point since it should handle enough of my/my wife's live TV/channel surfing desires.

The ideal scenario would be that the same box can also handle the torrent downloading and storage, yes. I'm not sure how realistic that is without making some sacrifices in terms of interface and useability, though, but it would definitely be my first choice if it's realistic. I am open to having a separate NAS, but that's something I'm not too familiar with and having to pay for one really increase the cost. If the NAS could basically just be a local network storage device that I can download movies to and the Shield pulls the file from the NAS for playback, I'd be ok with that as long as it's seamless and interfaces well with the Shield. If it would even be possible to use my laptop to start the download from the tracker, with the file download onto the NAS and then showing up as an available move to watch in in Kodi (or whatever) on the Shield, that seems like a nice setup.

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Chris Walken posted:

I'm looking into getting rid of cable TV and switching to a streaming box for all my brain-cell-killing needs (ok, most--there's still beer). Ideally I'd like one box that I can use to stream and also play back my mkv/x265 files. Even better would be if the same box could download and store said mkvs through my favorite torrent sites. External storage on a USB drive would be fine as long as the interface is clean and user friendly. My current HTPC is an annoying as gently caress Windows 8 box that's basically just a desktop computer hooked up to my AVR/TV system, and I'm looking to get into a nicer, cleaner interface that's designed more for media.

My strict requirements are:
  • Can stream Netflix, HBO Go, Starz Play
  • Can play MKV files
  • Outputs 5.1 audio for every source that has it

Nice, but not required:
  • Can stream Amazon content, Showtime Anytime, and MAX Go
  • Can install and stream live TV through DirecTV app (thanks mom!)

It seems like the best bet for what I want to do is the Nvidia Shield TV. I've been reading up on it and it seems plenty powerful, and some casual gaming is a nice added bonus. That said, I have zero experience with Kodi/Plex/all that kind of poo poo since, like I said, I've basically just been using my HTPC like a desktop and playing my torrented mkv files with VLC like a jabroni. If I were to hook up an external USB drive, install Kodi and some sort of torrent client, would I be able to navigate to my favorite torrent site, download to my heart's content, and actually play my media without wanting to tear my hair out because the interface is terrible? I'm not worried about the streaming side of things since it seems the Shield is more than capable of handling it, I just want to see if it's possible to get a nice mkv download and playback experience in the same box I use for streaming. Or am I getting too ambitious and the technology isn't there yet for a one-box solution and I should just get a Roku for streaming and figure out something else for my evil pirating ways? Any and all advice is much appreciated.

I'm not sure if Kodi stays active on Shield when it's not the main app running, but I don't believe it is. What if you grabbed something like the Raspberry Pi 3 (or your HTPC), put OpenElec on it, configured your torrent add-ons and the final output folder, and then added it to the Shield TV as a file source? Might be a little duplication having Kodi on the Shield and the Pi, but the Pi would be running 24/7 at very low wattage.

If you decided to just use the Pi/HTPC for your movie playback and a Roku, you could get almost everything you want, Amazon included (not sure about a DirecTV app though). I use a HTPC with OpenElec and Roku 3 in the front, and a Shield TV and Fire TV in the bedroom. My NAS with my ripped DVDs is also in the front and accessible to all devices.

Silly Burrito fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Mar 27, 2016

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