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tsob posted:Well, he still is really. It's just, he's from an entire race of animals that talk. Exactly.
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Ryaomon posted:Oda makes a poo poo ton of retcons too. I like the idea of Killer being Sanji's brother but if that happens, don't think he really planned that out 20 years in advance. I mean he straight up admitted he cooked up all the Supernovas in like an hour and of all of them he put the least amount of effort into Killer, hence his name. And that's what makes Oda a good storyteller. Being able to weave the poo poo he just comes up with one the fly in with the stuff he planned out from the beginning and stuff he added as his plans changed in such a way that the seams are largely inconsequential.
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Broseph Brostar posted:Aren't they the "Find the Fish" Chinese race that Scrathman Apoo belongs to? No, he's a longarm tribesman Dr Subterfuge posted:Anyone that might have linked Bepo to the Minks was drowned out by the people that didn't want to entertain the notion that Bepo was anything other than a bear that talked. Up to that point noone had ever heard of minks in the story and Oda said he was just a talking bear. Not sure why you would expect people to think he was a mink. The page in the slave gallery I'm talking about would be missed by just about everyone who read the series and that about makes it impossible to make the connection Ryaomon posted:Oda makes a poo poo ton of retcons too. I like the idea of Killer being Sanji's brother but if that happens, don't think he really planned that out 20 years in advance. I mean he straight up admitted he cooked up all the Supernovas in like an hour and of all of them he put the least amount of effort into Killer, hence his name. Killer will not be Sanjis brother, just like there was no way Axe Hand Morgan was ever going to be Jack.
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Gyges posted:And that's what makes Oda a good storyteller. Being able to weave the poo poo he just comes up with one the fly in with the stuff he planned out from the beginning and stuff he added as his plans changed in such a way that the seams are largely inconsequential. Yeah. Franky exists because Oda was such a big fan of the VA that he essentially created a character to match that VA's voice, but Franky as well as the supernovas just mesh into the story naturally that you wouldn't expect them to not be part of the original plan. Also Franky is probably a vehicle for all of Oda's robot ideas since his planned robot manga after One Piece is done probably won't be coming anytime soon
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Asuron posted:Killer will not be Sanjis brother, just like there was no way Axe Hand Morgan was ever going to be Jack. I'll give you the latter but I think the former could hold if only because Killer is such a nothing character that Oda can do anything with him. Hell, he retconned Law into being a D, you never know.
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Killer and Sanji have crossed paths though. You'd think there would have been some sort of reaction at the Auction House, even if they were busy causing mayhem. Then again I really don't want it to turn out to be that way because I just want Kidd to show up reacting to the Strawhats. I liked how pissed he was that Luffy and Law were getting all the attention. I also really want the follow up to the Strawhats beating the poo poo out of Big Mom and Kaidou around the same time to include a shot of the Kidd alliance getting the news just as they're about to launch their attack on Shanks. Just to see Kidd yell STRAWHAT while looking out to sea, his pending attempt at a major accomplishment already being overshadowed.
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Gyges posted:Killer and Sanji have crossed paths though. You'd think there would have been some sort of reaction at the Auction House, even if they were busy causing mayhem. I'm still trying to decide if I think Kidd can manage it. The supernovas have been fairly demonstrated to be a bunch of hotshots and all, but I'd kinda like it if we actually got to see some presence from the last Emperor here besides a newspaper saying he got chumped. Kaido and Big Mom have been had toes for the strawhats to step on and goons running amuck all over the place, and Blackbeard is probably going to take a poo poo on Dragon soon. I can't actually remember if Shanks or a dude working for him has even been on a page since the timeskip.
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Caidin posted:I'm still trying to decide if I think Kidd can manage it. The supernovas have been fairly demonstrated to be a bunch of hotshots and all, but I'd kinda like it if we actually got to see some presence from the last Emperor here besides a newspaper saying he got chumped. Kaido and Big Mom have been had toes for the strawhats to step on and goons running amuck all over the place, and Blackbeard is probably going to take a poo poo on Dragon soon. I can't actually remember if Shanks or a dude working for him has even been on a page since the timeskip. There is no way Blackbeard is beating Dragon before we even get to see what Dragon's actual powerset is. All the laws of shounen storytelling forbid it.
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Ryaomon posted:Hell, he retconned Law into being a D, you never know. How is it a retcon?
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Dragon will probably get an Ace vs Blackbeard style sideshow chapter, get some good shots in on Blackbeard who panics for a bit, and then does a teaser for his final boss multifruit bullshit moveset before we cut to the montage of big shots reacting to Luffy's latest kick to the balance of power's balls. Maybe find some space for a page of Urouge wandering into Gin or something before he goes back to not having anything to do with anyone.
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Ryaomon posted:I'll give you the latter but I think the former could hold if only because Killer is such a nothing character that Oda can do anything with him. Hell, he retconned Law into being a D, you never know. Wasn't Law planned all along and his editor suggested coming up with a bunch of new characters for the rest of the supernovas? Blackbeard is surely going to be the one who defeats Shanks before luffy fights him
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Jose posted:Wasn't Law planned all along and his editor suggested coming up with a bunch of new characters for the rest of the supernovas? Yeah, it seems like Blackbeard and Shanks still have a score to settle, not just from the Whitebeard-era but with the Marineford War too.
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Jose posted:Wasn't Law planned all along and his editor suggested coming up with a bunch of new characters for the rest of the supernovas? I can't back this up with sources so it could be full of poo poo but IIRC Law and Kidd were characters he already had planned and he decided to introduce them earlier as some of the rivals the editor wanted him to make.
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So it appears that the fully colored versions of One Piece have been completely scanlated up to chapter 721, and I believe the scanlations for them are new ones since, well, there's no Bisoromi Bear or Tanjiaado Lofulamingo-sama to be found, for example. There's no legal way to get the fully colored versions in english officially, right? It's still just a japanese-only thing?
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Captain Invictus posted:So it appears that the fully colored versions of One Piece have been completely scanlated up to chapter 721, and I believe the scanlations for them are new ones since, well, there's no Bisoromi Bear or Tanjiaado Lofulamingo-sama to be found, for example. The lack of Bisiromi Bear-Sama is sad, but having a consistently well done scan of One Piece is a god send. Most sites host the unreadable versions of Little Garden, when the scan is so terrible you can't make out whats going (like Jojo had for a while). That being said, the color version makes the massive white auras around all the characters way more noticeable.
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DeadBonesBrook posted:That being said, the color version makes the massive white auras around all the characters way more noticeable. I'm a little surprised those are left in, I guess they want to avoid changing Oda's art as much as possible, since that's really only a thing that is useful when it's in black and white, since you can use colour to make someone stand out and avoiding confusion with lines intersecting etc isn't as much of a concern either.
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Been doing a bit of rereading and man it is kinda surprising how Caesar is now basically comic relief when he was such a vile little poo poo during the Punk Hazard arc.
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Pureauthor posted:Been doing a bit of rereading and man it is kinda surprising how Caesar is now basically comic relief when he was such a vile little poo poo during the Punk Hazard arc. He's basically a horrible monster, but even the start of Punk Hazard has him sipping juice out of a straw as a gasball. And the whole thing about feeding Smiley when Smiley just fucks off and ignores him and he plays it off like that's what he wanted Smiley to do. God Smiley owned. Axolotl sludgeball best Logia.
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Technically Smiley was a toxic gas fed the Axlotl Zoan fruit. Just a minor quibble.
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Pureauthor posted:Been doing a bit of rereading and man it is kinda surprising how Caesar is now basically comic relief when he was such a vile little poo poo during the Punk Hazard arc. Buggy and co weren't exactly pillars of morality, either
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Now we just wait for Arlong and Lucci to turn into clowns.
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Fuckshoes posted:Whatever happened to Smiley's fruit, anyway? I'm pretty sure when Smiley "died" a fruit in a nearby cart transformed into what I assume is its fruit, but I might be misremembering
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Mulderman posted:Now we just wait for Arlong and Lucci to turn into clowns. Lucci was always a clown. Did you forget that he spoke via pigeon before revealing his true colors? Man I hope CP9 shows up again soon.
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Pretty sure Lucci is confirmed to be a CP0 agent now, so given that they're almost certainly going to appear at some point in the story then we're almost definitely going to see Lucci once more.
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Mulderman posted:Now we just wait for Arlong and Lucci to turn into clowns. Spandam is already this. He's an underling to Lucci now, there was a brief scene in post-Doffy Dressrosa where it's implied they're working for CP0 now in the New World. I wonder why none of the CP9 could use Haki? I guess there's Tekkai and all that jazz, but it falls apart with the use of Haki (Film Z shows this a bit with a vice-admiral using tekkai getting one-shot by Z).
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I'd guess that outside really high level marines and world class pirates, everyone else who can actually use haki is just poo poo at it. The progression sort of being that each new area has an added element of difficulty. East Blue places don't even understand Devil Fruits, so stretchy punch men are almost unstoppable. The first half of the grand line has lots of devil fruits, but most of the people would get hosed up by the marines' seven styles fighting. Finally in the New World devil fruits are almost blase, 7 styles is pussy poo poo, and now you've got to deal with haki. The rewards and needs being such, haki using pirates and marines are going to spend almost all their time in the New World, while devil fruit users without haki are going to gravitate toward the beginning of the grand line. CP9's assassination thing is largely only going to be useful in the beginning of the grand line and any of the 4 Blues. World Government and Marine presence in the New World is limited as is and assassinations are going to need to be carried out by people way stronger than CP9.
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CP9 also specialise in infiltration and assassination. I mean, yeah they are good martial artists and all, but I get the feeling that aside from Rob Lucci and MAYBE Kaku and Jabra the WG's best Six Powers users are probably marines.
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Maybe haki users are expensive to train and the 7 styles technique is more cost efficient.
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Okay, what about Crocodile then? He was a New World pirate before Whitebeard pushed his poo poo in and then he scampered back to Paradise to try and take over a country. I would ask about Moria, but he's kind of a scrub. Maybe there's just a bunch of Grand Line pirates who are ridiculously unprepared for the New World and aren't as lucky as Bartolomeo so they get stomped on? e: It's kind of weird thinking back to early One Piece around the time of Don Krieg with his hosed up armada and Mihawk and thinking about how scary the Grand Line is supposed to be, having no idea the New World was a whole new level on its own. Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Jan 30, 2016 |
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:Okay, what about Crocodile then? He was a New World pirate before Whitebeard pushed his poo poo in and then he scampered back to Paradise to try and take over a country. I would ask about Moria, but he's kind of a scrub. Crocodile and Moria both became Warlords, then used that to set up power bases to ready them for a power play. Crocodile mostly only did it so he could try and take over Alabasta and get an ancient weapon. Moria did it because he got wrecked by one of the emperors and was spending his time stealing
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I think it's kind of funny that Crocodile spent literally a decade trying to set up a take-over of Alabasta only to get beaten by a rookie from East Blue without any Gears powers, while Doffy basically showed up to Dressrosa, was all like "sup baby?" and took over the country basically with the snap of a finger. e: Thinking about the Dressrosa arc, this was one of my favorite parts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rwTnWOlp1c Kyros was  as hell, in spite of the faults of the whole Rebecca pseudo-drama attempt.
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The biggest problem I have with Haki is the existence of Kuja island. Even low level warrior on that island can equip armament Haki, it makes no sense when compared to the rest of the world, and is in my mind the biggest Haki-related plot hole in the story. In the rest of the canon world, it's much more consistent: Haki users are incredibly rare, and rarely encounter each other except during major events. Competent usage is almost as rare as something like a Logia fruit: the Navy seems to have fewer than 30 users (based on the number of revealed vice-admirals), Yonkou crews seem to have around 10 each (based on Whitebeard's crew), and world-beating non-Yonkou crews seem to have fewer than three users, sometimes having great success with zero users. Villains who had full control of Busoshoku were all veteran fighters with lots of real-world experience, and they assumed that their Haki was a completely insurmountable advantage (Sentomaru, Virgo, Pica); Haki users are rare enough that they assume they already know of anyone who poses a threat. So really, it's just that oddball Kuja island that bugs me; if Haki is something that can be taught so readily, you would think more people would know about it. Unless there's a genetic predisposition to the powers of Kuja, its very inconsistent.
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Haki is easy for ladies, but very few ladies are in a position to either need or learn it.
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Amazon Lilly has a small, concentrated population of powerful folks that are good at fighting. I don't think there's much of a stretch in the Kuja being pre-disposed toward Haki with that in mind.
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alkanphel posted:Looked around on that site, found this ( http://onepiecepodcast.com/2015/07/22/the-one-piece-connection/ ) - quite an interesting read! Well I knew most of it but it was good to read it in one cohesive article. This is a pretty dope article! I had no idea there were 4 'layers' of story in OP. It did make me ask something that never occurred to me before; how come Enel doesn't have any wings? Isn't he from Bilka?
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He does have the drums coming out of his back in the same area he would otherwise have wing in. So probably either body modification or he's actually from the blue ocean. God D. Enel
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Parrotine posted:This is a pretty dope article! I had no idea there were 4 'layers' of story in OP. I feel like this is pretty common for shonen,but they don't always do a great job of showing that fourth layer because it's just being improvised
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Lucci had the Rokuougan attack that could hurt Luffy's rubber body so that may have been a junior application of Haki.
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