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Muscle Tracer posted:I love it when these threads get to the sadistic vengeance against prisoners place, gets my red American blood pumping in all the right places To be fair I don't really think that we should be taking rights away from people just because they are ex-cons, even dumb ones like the second amendment. Either you are rehabilitated and have paid your debt to society or not.
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Axetrain posted:To be fair I don't really think that we should be taking rights away from people just because they are ex-cons, even dumb ones like the second amendment. Either you are rehabilitated and have paid your debt to society or not. As much as I love guns, I'm okay with people who committed crimes with a firearm losing their right to own them until they can convince the government otherwise. The militia has firmly proven that they're only going to use their Second Amendment right to try and gently caress with people and hold an armed insurrection.
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Feb 1, 2016 04:54
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Voyager I posted:gently caress these guys, but I'm not sure this is an aspect of our justice system we should be happy about. Normally I would agree, and I am much in favor of reducing prison terms in geberal. I certainly hope that leniency is shown to the rank and file that participated in this, and I hope they don't get more than a year or two. Ammon however can best serve his country by being a living reminder of why you do not commit sedition. I hope that he and some of the other architects of this get the book thrown at them. If you feel pity for him just go watch that video of him and his gang strutting into that town hall. He was every bit the bully in charge of heavily armed thugs. He was using children as human shields and setting up Kangaroo courts to execute local elected officials for the crime of not supporting his sedition. Seriously gently caress Ammon. Also, as many problems as there are with the American prison system, the really bad prisons are all state or local. Federal Prisons are run at much higher standards and these men will not be raped or the like. (Federal Prison is where all the lawyers or people who can afford good lawyers wind up, many hundreds of lawsuits over the decades have forced Federal Prisons to not become human rights violations.) The worst thing they will face in Federal prison is endless amounts of empty time to think.
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FAUXTON posted:It's "Finnacum" To reiterate, this is the best thing anyone has ever said about the oregon situation. It is an absolutely perfect and flawless post.
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Feb 1, 2016 05:21
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgMQDxpuO_E If OBAMA can let five ISIS go to get one treasonous soldier back, why can't he make a deal to let us all go? I would comment on how ironic it for him to compare himself to ISIS, but he has already said he likes them. He at least seems to have a better understanding than Michelle Bachman precisely what role he plays in these analogies.
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Feb 1, 2016 05:24
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katlington posted:Re Lavoys reaching: it looked like he was going for a gun, stopped when told to, then remembered he wanted to go out shooting amd reached again. I haven't a doubt in my mind he kept raising his arms to make it look like he was surrendering while at the same time reaching for his gun just to get the LEOs to shoot him. The SovCits' spin on videos of his death seem to bear out the logic he was using, at least to the point that he got his glorious exit and the SovCits got their martyr.
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Feb 1, 2016 05:27
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Prester Jane posted:Ammon however can best serve his country by being a living reminder of why you do not commit sedition. I hope that he and some of the other architects of this get the book thrown at them. If you feel pity for him just go watch that video of him and his gang strutting into that town hall. He was every bit the bully in charge of heavily armed thugs. He was using children as human shields and setting up Kangaroo courts to execute local elected officials for the crime of not supporting his sedition. Woah, didn't know they ever made it as far as threatening proactive violence against civilians. Do you have a link to this stuff?
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I don't think he wanted to martyr himself. These guys are crazy, but I don't think they actually have a deathwish. I think he bought into his novel's self-insert and really thought he could out-draw an already drawn weapon.Voyager I posted:Woah, didn't know they ever made it as far as threatening proactive violence against civilians. Do you have a link to this stuff? The affidavit for the arrest warrant includes recorded statements from the Bundys that they intended to take the fight to the town if the FBI/Sheriff didn't bring the fight to the refuge. CommanderApaul fucked around with this message at 05:33 on Feb 1, 2016 |
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fap fap SPLOOGE posted:I haven't a doubt in my mind he kept raising his arms to make it look like he was surrendering while at the same time reaching for his gun just to get the LEOs to shoot him. The SovCits' spin on videos of his death seem to bear out the logic he was using, at least to the point that he got his glorious exit and the SovCits got their martyr. I don't think it was a planned deception on Finicum's part as much as it may have been fear and uncertainty. He talked a big talk and was really willing to go ahead with it until he actually had guns pointed at him and had to make a life or death decision. In the end he made the decision he wanted, but I think his conviction was wavering.
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I really want to believe that the FBI didn't bother planting anybody because they didn't need to. Everything these idiots do has been broadcast voluntarily. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lAYQLD-ZuY I listen to this occasionally and every time I do I feel like my brain is going to crawl out my ear and die shriveled up like a salted slug. Someone was just on here talking about how in the eastern US there's not as much land and they want to make the west like that and soon you won't be "able to hunt . . . camp . . . fish . . . gold mine . . ." I live in upstate NY and there's loads of room for hunting, camping, and fishing, but it exists because the state (there are almost no national parks in this state) has set aside that land so that it can't be developed. So apparently not only do these people think that New York State consists entirely of New York City, but they also think that everything east of the Mississippi is as built up as New Jersey and that mining is no less destructive than pitching a tent for a couple of nights. I mean, I know people who hunt and fish. I've GONE CAMPING. gently caress this noise. Every time I listen to this I feel like my brain is going to crawl out my ear and die shriveled up like a salted slug. eta: Prester Jane posted:If you feel pity for him just go watch that video of him and his gang strutting into that town hall. He was every bit the bully in charge of heavily armed thugs. trickybiscuits fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Feb 1, 2016 |
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Feb 1, 2016 05:32
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SedanChair posted:I must admit I had not ruminated on what it would be like to have sex with David Fry. Gotta consider the situation from all angles. Horizontal being one of them. I'm wondering how long the militia dudes will last now. They're low on food, low on morale, are probably increasingly unhygenic and have no wifi. I suspect that in the next couple days they'll abandon the refuge lands like so many coffee shops with cheap routers.
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Feb 1, 2016 05:47
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trickybiscuits posted:"able to hunt . . . camp . . . fish . . . gold mine . . ." One of these is not like the others.
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Axetrain posted:One of these is not like the others. I don't know; this thread has given me enough entertainment that I'd give it a 5.
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CommanderApaul posted:I don't think he wanted to martyr himself. These guys are crazy, but I don't think they actually have a deathwish. I think he bought into his novel's self-insert and really thought he could out-draw an already drawn weapon. That's not a recorded statement from Bundy. The relevant excerpt from the affidavit; Affidavit posted:BLM was notified The authorities received a warning of some sort, but there's no verifiable source and it doesn't attribute this intention to anyone in particular. I don't see how you could possibly base a charge off of it. These guys are still huge assholes who deserve what they're going to get, but let's not get ahead of ourselves. The Affidavit does mention two men from the movement menacing a BLM (Bureau of Land Management, not the other one) member in town before the occupation began, but nothing connects Bundy or the rest of the group to that directly. Voyager I fucked around with this message at 05:58 on Feb 1, 2016 |
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Feb 1, 2016 05:56
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trickybiscuits posted:I really want to believe that the FBI didn't bother planting anybody because they didn't need to. Everything these idiots do has been broadcast voluntarily. There's probably more militia members in NY than there are in Oregon right now, if we could do an honest poll rural NY is scary as gently caress and rivals any hick place elsewhere in the States
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VikingSkull posted:There's probably more militia members in NY than there are in Oregon right now, if we could do an honest poll
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VikingSkull posted:There's probably more militia members in NY than there are in Oregon right now, if we could do an honest poll You haven't been to rural ND or MN yet
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theultimo posted:You haven't been to rural ND or MN yet Please let this devolve into a "who ha the most crazy hicks" dick-measuring contest.
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As soon as you hit the suburbs anywhere you encounter dumb hicks with dumb grievances.
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I forgot that there was an entire thread dedicated to this because I've mostly been discussing it in the PacNW thread. But I do want to share: Trial Bingo! 
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VikingSkull posted:There's probably more militia members in NY than there are in Oregon right now, if we could do an honest poll Where is that video of Bundy walking into the town hall meeting please? If someone doesn't link it, I'll have no choice but to request it again.
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trickybiscuits posted:I really want to believe that the FBI didn't bother planting anybody because they didn't need to. Everything these idiots do has been broadcast voluntarily. It is possible they meant gold panning in the river, but probably not. Panning was one of the things we did in the Idaho Rockies visiting family in the 80s like it was a normal thing to go do on a Saturday.
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Rodenthar Drothman posted:Please let this devolve into a "who ha the most crazy hicks" dick-measuring contest. This Kazak_Hstan posted:As soon as you hit the suburbs anywhere you encounter dumb hicks with dumb grievances. and this, the people that live past the exurban line is who Glen Beck was trying to rally when he said "We surround them" FetusSlapper posted:It is possible they meant gold panning in the river, but probably not. Panning was one of the things we did in the Idaho Rockies visiting family in the 80s like it was a normal thing to go do on a Saturday. Nope, they mean "extract everything you can from the land".
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Axetrain posted:To be fair I don't really think that we should be taking rights away from people just because they are ex-cons, even dumb ones like the second amendment. Either you are rehabilitated and have paid your debt to society or not. I'm not big on the Second Amendment to begin with, it's an outdated remnant that has helped lead to many, many unnecessary deaths thanks to an obsession with using deadly weapons as safety blankets. Given who these people are and the fact that they've spent a month openly threatening everyone they dislike with their weapons, it's only rational to prevent them from being legally able to own firearms again. Believe me, there are many things to reform in our justice system, but letting these idiots have weapons that they have proven at best wildly irresponsible and openly criminal with is note one of them.
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Question is if the NRA would ever let that happen. Its a logical law to think about, but I really doubt all the systems that have been built to "protect" the second amendment would ever allow this precedence to be made because "If you can take away the criminal's right to guns, then *insert drivel that somehow takes away speaker's guns*".
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Crabtree posted:Question is if the NRA would ever let that happen. Its a logical law to think about, but I really doubt all the systems that have been built to "protect" the second amendment would ever allow this precedence to be made because "If you can take away the criminal's right to guns, then *insert drivel that somehow takes away speaker's guns*". The NRA are masters of manipulating the narrative dependence of their target audience to keep up their profits. Unless they as an organization suddenly grow a collective conscience, I agree that getting logical gun control remains unlikely.
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If you want the NRA on board with gun control we just need another Huey P Newton
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Crabtree posted:Question is if the NRA would ever let that happen. Its a logical law to think about, but I really doubt all the systems that have been built to "protect" the second amendment would ever allow this precedence to be made because "If you can take away the criminal's right to guns, then *insert drivel that somehow takes away speaker's guns*". GOOD NEWS! These idiots will never surrender their guns, they would literally rather die. No federal agency will make them surrender their guns, because WACO RUBY RIDGE, etc. If they did surrender their guns and their rights to own them due to some miracle, they'd just get someone else to be a straw purchaser to buy more guns! As oppressed and downtrodden as these sons of the soil claim to be, they have a whole lot of money to spend on guns. Lots and lots of guns.
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ShadowCatboy posted:Yeah I've been wondering recently if the "we have a warrant out for Sean Andersen's arrest, the rest of you guys can leave" is mean to be some reverse-psychology FBI mindfuck to get them to park their asses and squat there even longer. Yeah, it's a brilliant win-win situation for the FBI. Either the remaining three militants leave the wanted bloke behind and you get the dual visuals of the militants leaving their own guy to be eaten alive and said guy all alone and still broadcasting and doing interviews and begging for someone to come and help him and all the militias desperately coming up with more and more excuses as to why they're not doing anything. OR They all stay and, as a group, beg for help which never comes and make even more noise discrediting the militias even further. OR Comedy option, they all leave and Tubs McGuts meekly hands himself over to be arrested and militias are all branded as the pussies we now know they are.
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trickybiscuits posted:Thank you! Except we don't have meth, just heroin. Took me quite a while to dig up, but here it is. (Phoneposting so i cant embed) https://youtu.be/jBs_2qw1PJ8 Pete Santilli streamed this meeting that took place on January 19th. The whole thing is worth watching if you want to feel your sympathy for the militants melt away. Over 50 militants crashed a town hall meeting and you can instantly see the tension their presence causes. Nervously they are invited to sit down and Ammon makes a point of refusing to sit like a petulant child. It just rolls along from there with tons of bully behaviour like Santilli mocking speakers by making blow job motions. People try every way possible (from polite requests to chants of "go go go go") to get the message across that the militants are not welcome, but they are unphased.
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Gorilla Salad posted:Yeah, it's a brilliant win-win situation for the FBI. OR 
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And how likely is that? Much more likely:  (except fatter)
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I am still waiting on that rumoured convoy that's going to A-Team them reinforcements or extract them.
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They'll probably try to eat their bullets, and not in a willing suicide way. Like if they aren't already trying to eat squirrel, or thinking about grilling whoever the fattest "camper" in the group is, they're probably going to try to cut bullets up to eat their powder if not the leather in their boots or the rancid poo poo they brought with them from the building. Is there any sort of dangerous wildlife that exists there besides half starved armed white moron? Mauled by Bear or didn't see the rattler they stepped near could also happen.
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Crabtree posted:They'll probably try to eat their bullets, and not in a willing suicide way. Like if they aren't already trying to eat squirrel, or thinking about grilling whoever the fattest "camper" in the group is, they're probably going to try to cut bullets up to eat their powder if not the leather in their boots or the rancid poo poo they brought with them from the building. Is there any sort of dangerous wildlife that exists there besides half starved armed white moron? Mauled by Bear or didn't see the rattler they stepped near could also happen. I think grizzlies range that far West, but not in huge numbers and I doubt they'd approach something that developed. You never loving know with bears tho
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Voyager I posted:Woah, didn't know they ever made it as far as threatening proactive violence against civilians. Do you have a link to this stuff? Oregon Public Broadcasting: Armed Occuppers convene Common Law Grand Jury against local officials. quote:Armed occupiers in Harney County are moving forward with efforts to change the legal system.
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Epic High Five posted:I think grizzlies range that far West, but not in huge numbers and I doubt they'd approach something that developed. You never loving know with bears tho According to the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife, Black Bear does live in the state. Probably no where near the bird sanctuary, however, they do say that bears become more likely to go near humans if they start eating human food/garbage and I really loving doubt these geniuses were good about securing their waste.
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Crabtree posted:According to the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife, Black Bear does live in the state. Probably no where near the bird sanctuary, however, they do say that bears become more likely to go near humans if they start eating human food/garbage and I really loving doubt these geniuses were good about securing their waste. If one of these idiots gets mauled by a bear, I eagerly await the whining about it all being the FBI's fault and/or the bear being part of the fed conspiracy.
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