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Taught one of my friends how to play magic yesterday. I am an enabler of bad habits.
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Feb 1, 2016 17:24
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The Shortest Path posted:Luck simply doesn't get you to top 8 at Grand Prix and SCG open/classic events, sorry. Every time this happens people say this like somehow it'll be true eventually. The guy that won SCG's standard last week was absolutely awful. Playing an aggro deck, he mostly kept 7 card hands that did nothing until then 3, he missed guaranteed lethal attacks, he sequenced things badly, he sideboarded badly, etc. But somehow he still won. I remember a few years ago a guy made it to the finals of an SCG legacy event with BUG Delver despite having absolutely no idea how to play the deck, or how Storm or Dredge (his semi and finals opponents respectively) worked. His Storm opponent misplayed his Carpet of Flowers and lost to himself and the Dredge player thoroughly destroyed him in games that were easily winnable. Don't even get me started on the trainwreck of a deck that won vintage Champs last year. Or the people that talk about it like it's some kind of brilliant new take on deck-building. Luck is a huge part of this game.
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Feb 1, 2016 17:32
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suicidesteve posted:Every time this happens people say this like somehow it'll be true eventually. There's always this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvJyCL7Pemo Warning: potato quality video, but very high quality jokes.
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Feb 1, 2016 17:41
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are we counting the luck of your opponent being even worse than you
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Feb 1, 2016 17:43
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Zoness posted:There's always this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvJyCL7Pemo "You played badly, but I still looove you" Thread title plz
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Feb 1, 2016 17:49
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I mean we're not just talking about one top 8, Merfolk puts up results fairly consistently. That's probably because people just sometimes manage to dodge its horrible matchups though, and I can imagine pros don't want to take that risk (especially when there's very little you can do to the deck or its sideboard to help prepare for those matchups).
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Feb 1, 2016 18:07
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Merfolk is less vulnerable to removal than I think most people give it credit for. It only takes 2 lords to make most of your guys un-bolt-able and for the most part damage-based sweepers aren't going to kill your pumped team. With twin gone it's going to be a lot rarer that you have matchups that go bolt-snapcaster-bolt and prevent you from building any kind of board presence.
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Feb 1, 2016 18:30
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Sickening posted:So the top 16 of the modern classic is up. Wowee. 4th place tron deck has no groves, no emrakul, and warping wails in the main and board. 6th place has a thought-not and 2 world breakers main, 3 kozilek's return, no ugin main deck, and a matter reshaper a 3rd world breaker and a warping wail in the board. 13th place has 3 ghost quarters 3 groves main and 2 warping wails in the board. I'm never going to have enough time to get a decent amount of testing in before Saturday.
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Feb 1, 2016 18:39
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Zoness posted:There's always this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvJyCL7Pemo I would watch every event featuring these two. On a side note, I miss Extended so much.
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Feb 1, 2016 18:42
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black potus posted:are we counting the luck of your opponent being even worse than you The greatest luck is probably starting 1-0 in the grand finals of a GP because your opponent misreg'd and it wasn't caught until the finals 
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Feb 1, 2016 18:44
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Bugsy posted:Wowee. 4th place tron deck has no groves, no emrakul, and warping wails in the main and board. 6th place has a thought-not and 2 world breakers main, 3 kozilek's return, no ugin main deck, and a matter reshaper a 3rd world breaker and a warping wail in the board. 13th place has 3 ghost quarters 3 groves main and 2 warping wails in the board. I have a feeling that painlands are good enough over Groves to get you to top 8, even if it's possibly not ideal. Maybe it's a rare circumstance where the "strictly worse" card for the deck is so close in usefulness that it doesn't matter. The deck has enough ways to generate colored mana without taking damage if they play against burn. Not a single Eldrazi deck, huh? Maybe Eye/Temple won't be banned after all. Edit: My friend tells me he thinks the pros are just holding off on Eldrazi until the PT so they don't give away tech. LifeLynx fucked around with this message at 18:53 on Feb 1, 2016 |
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Feb 1, 2016 18:50
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ShaneB posted:Of course burn cares about 8 seas. My buddy plays the 8 seas version often and burn will frequently keep a 2 lander. If you don't draw another land in time you're proper hosed. I've had this happen to me more often than I want against him. I guess ymmv, because everytime I've seas a land against Burn they just drop another one and I'm sad. I guess it's mostly a variance thing at that point though.
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Feb 1, 2016 19:00
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BJPaskoff posted:I have a feeling that painlands are good enough over Groves to get you to top 8, even if it's possibly not ideal. Maybe it's a rare circumstance where the "strictly worse" card for the deck is so close in usefulness that it doesn't matter. The deck has enough ways to generate colored mana without taking damage if they play against burn. These classic opens aren't exactly top tier tournaments. I would consider them as reliable for information as your local 1k.
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Feb 1, 2016 19:06
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Zoness posted:There's always this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvJyCL7Pemo This is a classic vid
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Feb 1, 2016 19:13
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Count Bleck posted:I guess ymmv, because everytime I've seas a land against Burn they just drop another one and I'm sad. I think you're still happy, though. Either they are flooding out and you'll beat them or they draw the desired two-three lands and you can Seas them. Seas seems great either way.
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Feb 1, 2016 19:18
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Zoness posted:There's always this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvJyCL7Pemo I wouldn't mind Randy in the booth more often if this is what we got. "How funny you managed to bring up the fact that you were in the finals of a Pro Tour"
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Feb 1, 2016 19:23
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Osyp is a dick lol but it's more colorful then any of the guys who commentate these days i'll give it that
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Feb 1, 2016 19:50
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Anyone have suggestions for cheap booster boxes to pick up for drafting? Kind of think about either getting Kahns or Conspiracy.
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Feb 1, 2016 19:55
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Fiend Computer posted:Anyone have suggestions for cheap booster boxes to pick up for drafting? Kind of think about either getting Kahns or Conspiracy. If you want a unique and fun drafting experience, Conspiracy is the way to go. It's designed specifically with draft in mind, and has a bunch of cards that affect the draft itself. If you want a standard but good draft, triple khans is good.
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Feb 1, 2016 19:57
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Fiend Computer posted:Anyone have suggestions for cheap booster boxes to pick up for drafting? Kind of think about either getting Kahns or Conspiracy. Triple Khans is solid good (and worsened with the Fate Reforged in the mix) so go for that. Conspiracy is intended for multiplayer games, keep that in mind.
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Feb 1, 2016 20:18
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3x KTK is the best format since the original Modern Masters, go for that. If you're not worried about the cards you draft being standard playable, you can get a box of M13 pretty cheap and it's a fantastic draft set. I don't care for conspiracy much, but that's not a universal opinion by any means.
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Feb 1, 2016 20:22
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Echoing triple Khans. The mana is so good and the format is slow enough that you can draft whatever you like. There's good space for both aggro and control, and Jeskai even has a tempo/combo-ish feel. Triple BFZ is also quite good (and still selling), but I think it has a steeper learning curve and much fewer viable strategies (though still fun).
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Feb 1, 2016 20:30
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Lancelot posted:Echoing triple Khans. The mana is so good and the format is slow enough that you can draft whatever you like. There's good space for both aggro and control, and Jeskai even has a tempo/combo-ish feel. I wasn't actively playing for RoE or 3xINN. 3xKhans is my favorite set I've ever drafted. I'm very partial to the UGx morph deck. Its good when you just get a bunch of the common blue and green morphs and splash black or red, it is great when you get secret plans, icefeather avian, sagu mauler etc.
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Feb 1, 2016 20:34
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3xKTK is so good I built a set cube out of it so I can more-or-less make endless packs of it to draft from until the end of time.
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Feb 1, 2016 20:34
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ShaneB posted:3xKTK is so good I built a set cube out of it so I can more-or-less make endless packs of it to draft from until the end of time. I'd like to share this. My store does a chaos draft for FNM before every pre-release. The deck I drafted pre-Fate was a Sultai Khans deck with help from a few other sets. It was insane. My only regret was I only got to ranch three people with it. 6 Forest 6 Island 1 Jungle Hollow 2 Opulent Palace 2 Swamp 1 Thornwood Falls 1 Archers' Parapet 1 Compulsive Research 1 Fleetfeather Cockatrice 1 Font of Fertility 2 Glacial Stalker 1 Hooting Mandrills 1 Icefeather Aven 1 Icy Blast 1 Mistfire Weaver 1 Mystic of the Hidden Way 1 Nyx Infusion 1 Rattleclaw Mystic 1 Sagu Mauler 1 Secret Plans 2 Sigiled Starfish 2 Sultai Charm 1 Sultai Scavenger 1 Treasure Cruise 1 Woolly Loxodon
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Feb 1, 2016 20:38
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I won a box of OGW yesterday and I opened all of 30 something bucks of value from it in SCG buylist conversion. It was Kozilek and Kozilek's Return . Pretty much the saddest box I ever had the displeasure of opening. Think I'll just ask for store credit/Origins Boxes next time.  On a lighter note I no longer need to buy Kozilek's Returns, and I really, really want to make Kozilek EDH.
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Feb 1, 2016 20:49
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Count Bleck posted:I won a box of OGW yesterday and I opened all of 30 something bucks of value from it in SCG buylist conversion. It was Kozilek and Kozilek's Return . Pretty much the saddest box I ever had the displeasure of opening. Ask me about my first box of MMA. The mythics were Jugan and Sarkhan, the only cards that were worth more than $10 were foil Path and foil Tooth and Nail. Ask me about the other 9 boxes. 0 Goyf. 1 Confidant. 1 foil mythic (Vedalken Shackles.) At least we had fun drafting with them.
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Feb 1, 2016 21:06
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Did SCG take down the "what does the pro tour mean to you" video? I can't find it.
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Feb 1, 2016 21:18
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Foreskin Problems posted:Did SCG take down the "what does the pro tour mean to you" video? I can't find it. No.
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Feb 1, 2016 21:20
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Yes thank you!
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Feb 1, 2016 21:21
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BJPaskoff posted:I have a feeling that painlands are good enough over Groves to get you to top 8, even if it's possibly not ideal. Maybe it's a rare circumstance where the "strictly worse" card for the deck is so close in usefulness that it doesn't matter. The deck has enough ways to generate colored mana without taking damage if they play against burn. I mean maybe. I tried to explain this to some guys at FNM but they were like "but it hasn't won anything!" That's true, but the core of the deck runs 10 sources of untapped uncounterable ramp and the Urborg/Eye combo is practically Modern-legal Mishra's Workshop. There's basically no other decks that deck away with that kind of acceleration - Tron has to assemble itself really slowly and Affinity needs to draw a very specific hand with Opal to get real acceleration going. Eldrazi is playing 2 drops on turn 1 by putting one of 6-8 lands, none of which come into play tapped, in its deck onto the battlefield. This isn't necessarily a big deal in a world where you're doing durdly poo poo like main-deck Scrabbling Claws, but it could be in a world where pushed cards like Reality Smasher and Thought-Knot Seer are running around. It's an open question is how often the deck is playing Thought-Knot on Turn 2 because that play in and of itself is pretty oppressive, not to mention playing Thought-Knot turn 2, Reality Smasher/Oblivion Sower turn 3.
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Feb 1, 2016 21:43
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Olothreutes posted:Do they have anything that isn't apple related? I'd love this, but I don't have any apple products. Everything I can find is apple based, but I'm hoping your laptop isn't a mac and therefore I have hope. I downloaded the windows version and started with it last night. Rocked through the first 250 cards in my collection in no time, looking forward to finishing tonight.
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Feb 1, 2016 21:56
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I use deckbox and put anything uncommon and over in it, unless it's some valuable old Common. It has a lot of flaws but is kind of the best of the worst w/r/t options. I hate that their prices are based on their fairly useless deckbox market price rather than TCG like the rest of the world. I have set up a few trades on there but not many.
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Feb 1, 2016 22:06
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Going to regionals running Grixis Delver, how do folk feel about Engineered Explosives as sideboard tech these days? (I'm running 3 Vampiric Links out of spite, not out of an expectation to win burn matchups)
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Feb 1, 2016 22:15
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A big flaming stink posted:Going to regionals running Grixis Delver, how do folk feel about Engineered Explosives as sideboard tech these days? The goal is to land a Vampiric Link on an Eidolon of the Great Revel, right?
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Feb 1, 2016 22:48
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Entropic posted:The goal is to land a Vampiric Link on an Eidolon of the Great Revel, right? It's also good when you put it on Gurmag Angler.
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Feb 1, 2016 22:59
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A big flaming stink posted:Going to regionals running Grixis Delver, how do folk feel about Engineered Explosives as sideboard tech these days? What's your list look like? I'm also a fan of never having your delvers flip in modern.
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Feb 1, 2016 22:59
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In Modern its fair to call a deck with a horrendous Affinity match up "unplayable," and it comes back around to the fundamental problem with current Modern. Also bad decks place all the time. There was a really really bad deck in Standard recently that people argued was actually secretly good but that had a losing percentage against literally every other deck in the field, but that just happened to make up a weirdly large portion of the field for a minute. It was some goofy burn or mill deck, anyone remember which one I am talking about? Like in the past year or so I believe.
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Feb 1, 2016 23:05
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rabidsquid posted:In Modern its fair to call a deck with a horrendous Affinity match up "unplayable," and it comes back around to the fundamental problem with current Modern. The tutelage deck that won a major tournament and then was scullfucked out of the format.
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Feb 1, 2016 23:07
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Yeah that deck saw a TON of play and did not have a single even close to winning match up against anything. At all. edit: The percentage of the field / percentage of a deck actually making t8 are relevant information that is very rarely listed when arguing the health of a format or particular deck
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Feb 1, 2016 23:11
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