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The New York Times posted:Researchers Weigh Risks of Zika Spreading at Rio Olympics http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/29/world/americas/brazil-zika-rio-olympics.html The situation is Brazil, along with a lot of South America, is in stages of a pandemic of the Zika virus which was previously an African illness related to dengue fever. Zika is linked to serious children birth defects and, as it says, a race is now on for a cure and vaccine. The question is should the Olympics be held when, in a worst case scenario, it could cause a worldwide pandemic? There was already arguments against the Olympics (financial reasons, anti-capitalist reasons, bribery reasons, anti-sport reasons, the disgusting state of Brazil to hold the events at all - specifically water events) but now there is a physical concern that could have worldwide ramifications. Should countries boycott the Olympics from a serious health concern? Should they be cancelled altogether with all the money invested to be disregarded crippling Brazil further? What will happen in a few months even if headway is made for a vaccine or cure but no information on the long term effects?
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# ? Jan 30, 2016 23:39 |
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Lid posted:Should countries boycott the Olympics from a serious health concern?
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# ? Jan 30, 2016 23:54 |
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Theres an inverse problem - even if the Olympics are moved what about athletes from countries afflicted by the Zika pandemic?
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 00:07 |
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Lid posted:Theres an inverse problem - even if the Olympics are moved what about athletes from countries afflicted by the Zika pandemic? Voluntary isolation and self-monitoring is much easier to maintain on the smaller population of "individuals who are olympic athletes" than it is on the population of "all individuals who travel internationally to attend the olympics." The issue is clear, and yet once again Margaret Chan refuses to act. WHO should immediately declare the Zika epidemic a PHEIC. A Buttery Pastry posted:Yes. Northern European states, where the mosquito that spread the virus don't exist, will have a much easier time winning if everyone from the rest of the world stays home. Seriously though, yeah, seems like the best course of action if the games aren't outright cancelled. Shoulda held the games in Chicago. Alas, IOC is far too corrupt an organization to act in the olympic's best interest.
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 00:11 |
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Best case scenario: The games aren't cancelled, and the virus spreads around the earth. It becomes as common as hpv or herpes a. The human pop plummets in a generation as the majority of babies are born with defects. Some super white northern sub type like Scandinavians wind up being immune and inheriting the earth.. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 00:13 |
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My Imaginary GF posted:Voluntary isolation and self-monitoring is much easier to maintain on the smaller population of "individuals who are olympic athletes" than it is on the population of "all individuals who travel internationally to attend the olympics." My Imaginary GF posted:Shoulda held the games in Chicago. Alas, IOC is far too corrupt an organization to act in the olympic's best interest. WorldsStrongestNerd posted:Best case scenario: The games aren't cancelled, and the virus spreads around the earth. It becomes as common as hpv or herpes a. The human pop plummets in a generation as the majority of babies are born with defects. Some super white northern sub type like Scandinavians wind up being immune and inheriting the earth..
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 08:50 |
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Plus Olympic athletes seem like they could be relatively easily be made comfortable with isolation. Basically just put everyone from a single sport (or related sports) in a place with the right training equipment/facilities to train at an Olympic level. Also hand out condoms like crazy because those are going to be needed. This doesn't account for the audience members, a lot of people from a lot of countries fly in for the Olympics including dignatories, politicians, royalty... You can't isolate them all. Or at all, considering they require stadiums where you will be near infected people.
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 08:55 |
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Lid posted:This doesn't account for the audience members, a lot of people from a lot of countries fly in for the Olympics including dignatories, politicians, royalty... You can't isolate them all. Or at all, considering they require stadiums where you will be near infected people.
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 08:59 |
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Ah why bother doing anything. One of these viruses is going to wreck our poo poo sooner or later. It may as well be this one.
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 11:29 |
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Funky See Funky Do posted:Ah why bother doing anything. One of these viruses is going to wreck our poo poo sooner or later. It may as well be this one. I'd be more inclined to agree if the virus was fatal, but only causing birth defects seems like such a half measure.
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 12:08 |
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Starshark posted:I'd be more inclined to agree if the virus was fatal, but only causing birth defects seems like such a half measure. the birth defects are the most noted feature, but it also causes paralysis among other symptoms by messing up the nervous system. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillain%E2%80%93Barr%C3%A9_syndrome
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 14:35 |
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Lid posted:the birth defects are the most noted feature, but it also causes paralysis among other symptoms by messing up the nervous system. The flue, soms vaccines and pretty much any infectious disease can rarely cause guillain barre disease. I'm not sure if the reported association stronger than what is to be expected in any infectious disease. Moreover, guillain barre is usually self limiting with a complete remission of symptoms. I think it's still way to early to be worried about this vector borne disease if your not living in the affected areas. The relation with birth defects is still very preliminary. Also, nice to see that MIGF is still angry at Chan.
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 18:52 |
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Starshark posted:I'd be more inclined to agree if the virus was fatal, but only causing birth defects seems like such a half measure.
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# ? Jan 31, 2016 19:47 |
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Starshark posted:I'd be more inclined to agree if the virus was fatal, but only causing birth defects seems like such a half measure. How much is it worth to you to know that your unborn child is free of a permanent and untreatable birth defect which in 85% of cases will limit their intellectual development and functional life skills?
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# ? Feb 1, 2016 00:02 |
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They should definitely hold them and then in 18 years they can host the worlds largest Special Olympics.
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# ? Feb 1, 2016 00:07 |
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Complication rate is not super horrifying, but we don't especially want it to become endemic. I will defer to the CDC and their relatives on this one.
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# ? Feb 1, 2016 06:32 |
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My Imaginary GF posted:The issue is clear, and yet once again Margaret Chan refuses to act. WHO should immediately declare the Zika epidemic a PHEIC. They are meeting today to decide to do exactly that. If they do declare it expect pressure to start to mount to delay the Olympics by a year; they won't cancel it but a delay of a year should be enough for a vaccine to have been created, tested, and produced in sufficient numbers.
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# ? Feb 1, 2016 08:34 |
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quote:Rio organizers have been scouring Olympics venues daily for two weeks, looking for standing water where mosquitoes breed. Rio spokesman Mario Andrada said the inspections would continue daily until the games open on Aug. 5. That will be in Brazil's winter when it's cooler, drier and the mosquito population is smaller. So it's official - it is being discussed and it's not impossible to do and they are freaking the gently caress out.
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# ? Feb 1, 2016 15:08 |
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So we're all gonna die. Cool.
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# ? Feb 1, 2016 16:48 |
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For the good of the world, the US needs to bomb every stadium in Brazil. It would in effect be a preemptive strike on biological warfare laboratories, and entirely justified given the stated intention of bringing thousands of Americans there where they will be infected with a terrible disease they can then bring home to the US.
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# ? Feb 1, 2016 16:59 |
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On a related note, but the crazy people reactions towards Zika are at the leavel you'd expect for vaccinations. Quite strange.
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# ? Feb 1, 2016 19:57 |
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Solkanar512 posted:On a related note, but the crazy people reactions towards Zika are at the leavel you'd expect for vaccinations. Quite strange. i saw articles already trying to blame the birth defects on a vaccine over the weekend. vaccine people aren't going to go away just because they're wrong.
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# ? Feb 1, 2016 20:10 |
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So this is just one of many unintended effects Climate Change is going to have on nations/the world, correct? Warmer climates, more mosquitoes in new areas, more chances for proliferation of formerly minor, localized diseases? Or did we just somehow miss the Tiny Head virus for like 50 years?
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# ? Feb 1, 2016 20:13 |
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Real hurthling! posted:i saw articles already trying to blame the birth defects on a vaccine over the weekend. vaccine people aren't going to go away just because they're wrong. There was that, and tons of concern trolling over "what about the ecosystems if we get rid of the mosquitoes? What will birds and frogs eat??". Of course, the fact that it's an invasive species never came to mind but it was fun watching a bunch of rich white folks concern themselves with bird/frog populations over the lives of poorer, darker skinned children.
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# ? Feb 1, 2016 20:17 |
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FilthyImp posted:So this is just one of many unintended effects Climate Change is going to have on nations/the world, correct? Warmer climates, more mosquitoes in new areas, more chances for proliferation of formerly minor, localized diseases? Its not an effect of Climate Change, its an effect of Globalization. This is a Virus that has been known about for 60 years, but its been stuck in a corner of Africa and seemingly has little effect there (assumed to be resistance in the local population after being exposed to it for thousands of years), but thanks to the increased mobility of the worlds population its got a hitch from its homeland to the America's where there isn't any resistance to it so its spreading like wildfire. The microcephaly was an unknown side affect, and its only assumed given its from Zika due to autopsies done on babies who have died with microcephaly and discovered the presence of virus in them. Also microcephaly is very nasty, and will kill them usually around early adulthood, some times earlier hence why their has already been some babies die. Children with it generally require 24/7 care as well its one of the worst conditions for children around, hence why Zika needs to be dealt with ASAP. ukle fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Feb 1, 2016 |
# ? Feb 1, 2016 20:32 |
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I love Zika Virus, it's an excellent excuse for the Olympics to not happen here, gently caress the olympics
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# ? Feb 1, 2016 20:33 |
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The mosquito needs to go extinct frankly. gently caress ISIS, lets wipe out those other little fuckers.
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# ? Feb 1, 2016 21:36 |
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Super looking forward to my honeymoon in Costa Rica this March with my fiance who's trying to conceive. At least the map CNN had up earlier today showed every country except Nicaragua and Costa Rica as red, so I'm sure the mosquitoes just stop at the border.
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# ? Feb 1, 2016 23:33 |
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quote:The World Health Organisation has declared that the clusters of brain-damaged babies born in Brazil – linked to but not proven to be caused by the Zika virus – constitute a public health emergency of international concern. Well its now a PHEIC, they're moving fast.
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# ? Feb 2, 2016 00:36 |
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Zika seems like such a pathetic healthcare emergency after we could freak out about Ebola in '14. Shrunken heads have nothing on hemorhraging fevers.
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# ? Feb 2, 2016 00:48 |
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Nonsense posted:The mosquito needs to go extinct frankly. gently caress ISIS, lets wipe out those other little fuckers. A cumulonimbus of DDT, enveloping South America.
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# ? Feb 2, 2016 01:42 |
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Nonsense posted:The mosquito needs to go extinct frankly. gently caress ISIS, lets wipe out those other little fuckers. Serious question, is there a single ecological niche the mosquito fills that justifies its continued existence? I mean, nobody wept for smallpox.
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# ? Feb 2, 2016 01:49 |
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Lid posted:Well its now a PHEIC, they're moving fast. What's the significance of this status?
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# ? Feb 2, 2016 01:58 |
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Thesaurasaurus posted:Serious question, is there a single ecological niche the mosquito fills that justifies its continued existence? I mean, nobody wept for smallpox. Funnily enough it seems the answer is no, we could wipe out mosquitos and it really wouldn't matter. http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100721/full/466432a.html
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# ? Feb 2, 2016 02:00 |
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So it's unanimous, we cleanse the world of mosquitoes, gently caress em.
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-Troika- posted:A cumulonimbus of DDT, enveloping South America. Amusingly that wouldn't actually be that bad in developing countries. The upsides of ddt outweighs the negatives there.
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# ? Feb 2, 2016 03:35 |
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Brazil is a disgusting shithole and I'd be surprised if that was the only virus that was spreading around during the Olympics
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# ? Feb 2, 2016 04:26 |
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Thesaurasaurus posted:Serious question, is there a single ecological niche the mosquito fills that justifies its continued existence? I mean, nobody wept for smallpox. They feed the lake fishies.
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# ? Feb 2, 2016 07:24 |
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Yardbomb posted:So it's unanimous, we cleanse the world of mosquitoes, gently caress em. So what I wonder is, whether there's be an over-emphasis on study of mosquitos as a vector for detrimental infections, and an under-emphasis on the potential for mosquitos to be a vector for infections which ultimately result in a benefit in individuals and animals. It's fairly easy to say "death to all mosquitos;" it's more difficult when you advocate looking into understanding the potential unknown unknowns of mosquito eradication.
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# ? Feb 2, 2016 07:41 |
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The Olympic gods must hate Brazil, this is the worst possible time for them to be holding them. Another year or two and a vaccine would probably be out.
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