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size1one posted:I was kinda curious how much space two billion dollars worth of silver would take up. Thats roughly 2820 tons of silver. Which is roughly the size of a small house. How large is it if they're paid in colloidal silver?
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For reference, here are some videos of Franklin Graham from right wing watch. (This is the person that the last 4 holdouts are requesting as their negotiator.) "Franklin Graham says Christians must prepare for persecution and God'said judgement on America." https://youtu.be/DUUcpunHSnc "Franklin Graham warns spirit of Antichrist is in government, pushing us to end times." https://youtu.be/0D0rt5QAPgA For those who have read my Authoritarian thread I give you a demonstration of "Narrative Convergence".
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stubblyhead posted:Well there's this from the Oregonian. It doesn't say anything about the judge being a Mormon, just that he's the appellate judge on duty to hear reviews like this for the month. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman Well I'll be damned.
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eviltastic posted:If you'd like a nice overview of just how deep the rabbit hole goes, here, take a gander at this opinion from a judge in Canada. Thanks! I saw that quite a few pages back (I've been following this way too closely for my own good). It wasn't so much an expression of not understanding as disbelief at the asinine nature of it all
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I should've figured that would've been posted long before now in this thread.
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Why do those four idiots still think they can negotiate? They have absolutely nothing the FBI wants. The only reason they're still around is because the Feds don't want to give the growing flood another potential martyr to point at. Anyway, the situation has officially started to spiral out of control. They've got hundreds of armed zealots taking over a small town, demanding complete nonsense and ready to inspire others to do the same. Even Congress can't deny that groups like these have become real problems anymore. It'll take very little to tip this into a bloodbath if they aren't extremely careful.
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Killer-of-Lawyers posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_W._Mosman Who gives a poo poo? A federal judge isn't going to randomly buy into Constitutional magic words just because he belongs to an abstract of the same God club.
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eviltastic posted:I should've figured that would've been posted long before now in this thread. To be fair, this thread is moving crazy fast
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Geostomp posted:Even Congress can't deny that groups like these have become real problems anymore. It'll take very little to tip this into a bloodbath if they aren't extremely careful. I believe you'll find that many in Congress consider these people their base.
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Geostomp posted:Why do those four idiots still think they can negotiate? They have absolutely nothing the FBI wants. The only reason they're still around is because the Feds don't want to give the growing flood another potential martyr to point at. on the first part. they probably arnt thinking. the best guess would be they hope the goverment doesnt want to waste manpower "digging them out" and a possible bloodbath. this is more so now that the town is full of nutjobs who have the citizens at their mercy.
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size1one posted:I was kinda curious how much space two billion dollars worth of silver would take up. Thats roughly 2820 tons of silver. Which is roughly the size of a small house. I did the math and at the current gold price ($1,132.10 per ounce), $2 billion in gold would be 55.2 tons. So just a block the size of a Smart Car would do.  The large block is 100 tons. chitoryu12 fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Feb 2, 2016 |
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Subterfrugal posted:I believe you'll find that many in Congress consider these people their base. Sure, but this base has now just become a full blown domestic terrorism event and is now menacing a city national television. By this point, distancing themselves from them is necessary if they hope to win votes from anybody less crazy. They've already got two despised assholes as their most likely candidates. That said, November is nine months away and they could easily, probably accurately, guess that people will be too self absorbed to remember this by then.
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Geostomp posted:Sure, but this base has now just become a full blown domestic terrorism event and is now menacing a city national television. By this point, distancing themselves from them is necessary if they hope to win votes from anybody less crazy. They've already got two despised assholes as their most likely candidates. Look at this guy thinking the Republican party would bother with self-reflection, let alone have a mechanism to use that self-reflection to prevent right-wing extremism.
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Subterfrugal posted:Who gives a poo poo? A federal judge isn't going to randomly buy into Constitutional magic words just because he belongs to an abstract of the same God club. People always get a bit weird when it comes to Mormons, I don't know. I think it's a general misperception of just how many Mormons there are, coupled with 'that strange religion/cult' views, so for some reason there's a big tendency to believe that all Mormons are a monolith and clearly share the same views on, err. Well, anything but religion (and even then, there's room for a lot of interpretation on certain things). Self reported, so keep that in mind, but the LDS leadership reported membership of over fifteen million last April, worldwide. That's pretty small when you compare it to, say, Catholics (over a billion in 2012), but it's still a pretty significant chunk of people spread throughout a few hundred countries. To put it into an easier example, Harry Reid, Jon Huntsman, and Mitt Romney are all Mormon, and yet have wildly different politics (and reportedly aren't too terribly fond of each other either). I'm fairly sure all three of them would disagree pretty heavily with the Bundys. I mean, pretty sure this isn't the first time a Federal judge has had a case with another Mormon in it either. But people get suspicious.
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Oregon III% closed page;quote:Darrell Owen Barnard Oh but WAIT!! Blaine Cooper speaks (on a loving nutty call in show apparently); https://soundcloud.com/trickthedjtoo-1/blaine-cooper-speaks-1292016 EDIT the comments are precious; quote:Debra Sweetie says at 22:26: ChlamydiaJones fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Feb 2, 2016 |
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kartikeya posted:People always get a bit weird when it comes to Mormons, I don't know. I think it's a general misperception of just how many Mormons there are, coupled with 'that strange religion/cult' views, so for some reason there's a big tendency to believe that all Mormons are a monolith and clearly share the same views on, err. Well, anything but religion (and even then, there's room for a lot of interpretation on certain things). The identical men wearing suits and ties that people see, or the history of getting into it with the federal government in history because we wouldn't let them have their harems and such probably does a lot to color people's conceptions. It doesn't help that they concentrate in insular communities and keep in one state either.
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Just a peaceful non violent intimate live fire exercise.
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Lead out in cuffs posted:We, the We The People of Harney County people, are facing off angrily with the people of Harney County. We, the We The People of Harney Country subgroup of We The People, contest that the people of Harney Country are not real people but dwarfs, favored as crisis actors due to ease of transport, standing on each other's shoulders inside big coats to pass themselves off as people. They are in fact Wee People 
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Murderion posted:We, the We The People of Harney Country subgroup of We The People, contest that the people of Harney Country are not real people but dwarfs, favored as crisis actors due to ease of transport, standing on each other's shoulders inside big coats to pass themselves off as people. Crivens!
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He just accidentally moved his money from a slightly pro-gay bank to a super-gay bank.
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Entropic posted:Crivens! Now we know the reason the Bundy's were cutting down fences. They're after the sheep again 
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Killer-of-Lawyers posted:The identical men wearing suits and ties that people see, or the history of getting into it with the federal government in history because we wouldn't let them have their harems and such probably does a lot to color people's conceptions. It doesn't help that they concentrate in insular communities and keep in one state either. Exceeept...they're not identical? They're not even wearing the same suits and ties, and suits and ties isn't exactly uncommon when you go to church. Or work. The history of getting into it with the Federal government regarding polygamy happened quite some time after a whole lot of violence at the local and state level (and yes, it wasn't all one sided), and the LDS church hasn't practiced polygamy in a very long time (and if you do practice polygamy? You get ex-communicated). Insularity is a thing that happens with all sorts of different populations, and is neither unique nor particularly rampant among LDS members (fundamentalist breakoffs are another matter, and usually because they DO practice polygamy), although certainly it exists. And err. Mormons live throughout the world, which would include every single state in the US. There are a ton of Mormons in Utah for really really obvious reasons (which frankly, I think causes its own issues of the conflating politics and religion variety), but Mormons are hardly sparse in other parts of the country. So yeah. Misconceptions.
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Mormons are just Evangelicals with strong central governing, extra fluff lore, special class armor and a perk that gives +3 charisma in exchange for housing 7 of the churches skeletons in your closet.
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Or put another way: they are bigger assholes, but mostly at an admin level.
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All of the Mormons I know are very nice people but in also pretty sure they'd vote to kick all democrats out of the country.
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Prester Jane posted:Took me quite a while to dig up, but here it is. (Phoneposting so i cant embed) https://youtu.be/jBs_2qw1PJ8 He needs to do it. Prester Jane posted:For reference, here are some videos of Franklin Graham from right wing watch. (This is the person that the last 4 holdouts are requesting as their negotiator.) Seriously now, this is going to end badly. If we're lucky they'll just shoot each other. Or be so unable to work together that the whole thing will fall apart in bitterness. Or be hopelessly incompetent. It's like some terribly dark satire. It would be hilarious if it weren't ruining people's lives.
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kartikeya posted:Exceeept...they're not identical? They're not even wearing the same suits and ties, and suits and ties isn't exactly uncommon when you go to church. Or work. The history of getting into it with the Federal government regarding polygamy happened quite some time after a whole lot of violence at the local and state level (and yes, it wasn't all one sided), and the LDS church hasn't practiced polygamy in a very long time (and if you do practice polygamy? You get ex-communicated). Insularity is a thing that happens with all sorts of different populations, and is neither unique nor particularly rampant among LDS members (fundamentalist breakoffs are another matter, and usually because they DO practice polygamy), although certainly it exists. And err. Mormons live throughout the world, which would include every single state in the US. There are a ton of Mormons in Utah for really really obvious reasons (which frankly, I think causes its own issues of the conflating politics and religion variety), but Mormons are hardly sparse in other parts of the country. The last time I saw a horde of mormons on bikes at school they weren't going to church. So yeah... misconceptions.
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Kazak_Hstan posted:All of the Mormons I know are very nice people but in also pretty sure they'd vote to kick all democrats out of the country. It does bother a lot of members that the most politically influential church member is a democrat. The constant rumors surrounding Harry Reid range from silly to completely incomprehensible.
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Killer-of-Lawyers posted:The last time I saw a horde of mormons on bikes at school they weren't going to church. lol, so, what, you're saying Mormons just go around all day in suits and ties? The only ones who do that are the missionaries (the guys anyway). 'Horde of Mormons on Bikes' is amazing though. Edit: TheMadMilkman posted:It does bother a lot of members that the most politically influential church member is a democrat. The constant rumors surrounding Harry Reid range from silly to completely incomprehensible. This is true, and also kind've funny, because a lot of church members are also democrats (and this bothers them too). Like I said a few pages back, religion in practice gets messy. From what I've seen it often breaks down along the usual lines; more rural Mormons tend to be more conservative, and while Mormons (like most Evangelicals) tend to trend more conservative in general, they've still got plenty of members that run the political spectrum. kartikeya fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Feb 2, 2016 |
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For what it's worth Franklin Graham owns an inholding in my park and we have a very good relationship with him. His organization brings wounded vets on retreats to the property, and they tend to be very good park visitors, follow the rules, etc. they can be sort of annoying and preachy, but if they feel like saying wow God made this amazing place and it's so awesome I'm glad it's protected, whatever, if that floats their boat that's cool. It's the behavior that matters. I hope he doesn't get involved in this poo poo. That said he's still a psycho rear end in a top hat religious fanatic.
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kartikeya posted:lol, so, what, you're saying Mormons just go around all day in suits and ties? The only ones who do that are the missionaries (the guys anyway). A horde of mormons on bicycles is exactly what it was like last time I saw a mormon mission. I mean, it's not trying to get Anne Frank baptized, but it's on a similar level of crazy behavior. Mormons don't really have anyone to blame for what people think of them but their own selves.
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I think the locals should get or be given a lot of sound equipment and play the new anthem of Malheur as loud as they can at every support mob for these assholes. And if they "need a flag" the people of this blighted area can just use the don't tread on me flags these SovCits love to fly at their clan meetings for double mindfuckery if not the Oregon State one. Let's really blurr the lines here and use states rights for something good for a change.
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I really hope the people who actually live in Burns and want these nuts to go away get some kind of recourse soon, because this looks scary as all hell. It's really unfair that a lot of perfectly innocent people have to be poo poo on by these nutters simply because their town happens to be the place they've decided to turn into their hill to quite possibly literally die on. That having been said, quote:
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Killer-of-Lawyers posted:A horde of mormons on bicycles is exactly what it was like last time I saw a mormon mission.  Tell me more about these intimidating suit wearing bike riders.In other news, gently caress Cliven Bundy right in the ear: https://twitter.com/RawStory/status/694323382872051714
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Discendo Vox posted:Cliven did actually lead a charge of the occupiers during the standoff at his ranch. He's been willing to risk that sort of thing in the past. Was he actually calling the shots there, in the sens of actually organizing militias and such? I thought a bunch of different groups just showed up and started acting like they were his bodyguards or something.
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Kazak_Hstan posted:It would be sad for Cliven to never see his boys again so im glad they'll be in prison together. Please let it be. This rear end in a top hat is trying to get (more) people killed.
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