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Monomythian posted:I like how the difficulty ramps up when you get to the Scorching Sands. That Relic Core Quest in Sandstone refuge was the first quest I have come across that required more then a faceroll. What's the story about the removed stuff?
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LegionAreI posted:What's the story about the removed stuff? The madun spirit vision? It was originally timetravel. quote:Madun's character defining moment is back in that cave where you meet the 8 masters. he's late. thats him. He's that fuckwad that's late to the big party. Then later on, Iksanun tells you you're going to go back in time to the highland central massacre and find out what happened, only madun bumbles and fucks it up and you go back to his childhood where the village got rekt. JSY sees you back in time and notices you have the black rose mark. She finds this interesting, since she hasnt given to you at that ponit and she knows everyone who she's given it to, which she deduces to mean you're from the future, so she wont kill you now cuz you're actually interesting. When localization turned it into madun's memory thing in a misguided belief that it'd be easiier to understand, they couldn't alter the cutscene dialogue, so they shoehorned madun into having the mark too, despite the fact that he should have mentioned that back in the cave when you show the masters your mark.
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Feb 2, 2016 12:03
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HapiMerchant posted:The madun spirit vision? It was originally timetravel. Well that actually makes more sense than the spirit vision thing. I wondered why the explanation for Madun having the Black Rose mark seemed kinda flimsy. "Yes I had it too! Then it totally went away because reasons! But you need to do this fast so you can't do it that way!" I mean I get why they changed some of the more questionable quests (despite a lot of people getting really pissy about it) but I don't think they made that more understandable at all.
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Feb 2, 2016 12:07
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Adding jokes in localization and stuff is one thing but that's way too much
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Feb 2, 2016 12:10
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LegionAreI posted:Well that actually makes more sense than the spirit vision thing. I wondered why the explanation for Madun having the Black Rose mark seemed kinda flimsy. "Yes I had it too! Then it totally went away because reasons! But you need to do this fast so you can't do it that way!" it isn't helped because the later bit when you go back to the massacre is an actual spirit vision, only they changed THAT to 'a dream' because they already had made the time travel bit a 'spirit vision' and since it's obviously two different methods (one is going through a dragon pulse with the realmwalker's help and the other is the snapjaw sages conducting a ritual) they couldn't keep them both as 'spirit visions'
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Feb 2, 2016 12:14
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Apparently there is entire alternate story path where you take the dark side that was only available in the original KR version, but has since been changed as well. The story just progresses normally as if you had chosen the good path across all versions now.
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Feb 2, 2016 12:19
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Monomythian posted:Apparently there is entire alternate story path where you take the dark side that was only available in the original KR version, but has since been changed as well. The story just progresses normally as if you had chosen the good path across all versions now. That got axed because choosing the dark side simply ended the story at that point, but choosing hongmoon got you like 4-5 extra quests (and accompanying XP) and people complained that lightside was an easier leveling process.
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Feb 2, 2016 12:20
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Wait so even if the cap is 45 the story quests are going up to level 50?
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Feb 2, 2016 12:27
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Wait so even if the cap is 45 the story quests are going up to level 50? No. current story ends as act 4 starts, with You accepting mushin's offer to travel the dark side and get your chi and dark chi balanced to get more power. Everyone at 45 currently has "A letter from Yuran" that they cant progress on.
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Feb 2, 2016 12:28
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HapiMerchant posted:No. current story ends as act 4 starts, with You accepting mushin's offer to travel the dark side and get your chi and dark chi balanced to get more power. Everyone at 45 currently has "A letter from Yuran" that they cant progress on. Well thats the thing, the game naturally takes you into the darkside. You dont get to pick a side till the rest of the story.
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Feb 2, 2016 12:30
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Well thats the thing, the game naturally takes you into the darkside. You dont get to pick a side till the rest of the story. True. the bit about darkside/lightside choice is End of act 4. they changed it so you just auto choose hongmoon and get to start a new Hongmoon School, which is what act 5 is. We won't see that bit until 50 content.
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Feb 2, 2016 12:31
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HapiMerchant posted:True. the bit about darkside/lightside choice is End of act 4. they changed it so you just auto choose hongmoon and get to start a new Hongmoon School, which is what act 5 is. We won't see that bit until 50 content. As I understand it, a significant part of that change actually stemmed from the Chinese version - in the original, original Korean launch version the "dark path" was the only option, and the CCP censors were not happy that the player character had to essentially become a villain and engage in no small bit of villainy in act 4. So a whole new Act 3 end/Act 4 was written up for the Chinese version, the Korean players got rather salty that this wasn't available to them, and so the KR and JP versions ended up with a choice - the original "dark" path, and a "light" path that saw you actually overcome the Mark and re-found the Hongmoon School. Then things proceeded like pointed out, the light path offered technically more rewards so from a meta perspective it was an obvious choice, and a lot of people never liked the dark path anyway. So as of 2015 the whole thing is a single path, which is what we're getting. However, the opening of act 3 stuff...  Why would you do that? I'm a liberal-as-gently caress localization dude and I would never consider a story change that sweeping! It's more a pain in the rear end to do that than to just go with it as written! Why would you make that much extra work for yourself?This game's localization makes my head spin sometimes. Anyway, on a different tack: do any of y'all BnS vets have some idea whether this hairstyle is currently available to players, and if it isn't, when it will be?  I'd rather like to co-opt this NPC wholesale for my eventual Warlock, but that hair doesn't seem to be available to players at present. (I'd also like to get those "Stratus Scholar" robes, but I'm guessing those will come down the line.  )
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SpaceDrake posted:As I understand it, a significant part of that change actually stemmed from the Chinese version - in the original, original Korean launch version the "dark path" was the only option, and the CCP censors were not happy that the player character had to essentially become a villain and engage in no small bit of villainy in act 4. So a whole new Act 3 end/Act 4 was written up for the Chinese version, the Korean players got rather salty that this wasn't available to them, and so the KR and JP versions ended up with a choice - the original "dark" path, and a "light" path that saw you actually overcome the Mark and re-found the Hongmoon School. Then things proceeded like pointed out, the light path offered technically more rewards so from a meta perspective it was an obvious choice, and a lot of people never liked the dark path anyway. So as of 2015 the whole thing is a single path, which is what we're getting. In the original KR version, act 4 has you being mushin's puppet, literally possessed by him and forced to murder your allies in a bid for power. As you pointed out, this didn't stand well with players who hated the lack of PC agency. In CN, this was changed to you merely being his acolyte and not being nearly so nasty, but then near the end you also had the choice to redeem yourself. Then meta-poo poo happened. Further edit: The hairstyle is available for female lyns, yes (well, the ears are. iunno about the hair proper). They've stated all NPCs were made using the character creator, even the generic mobs so it stands to reason it should be?. Edit: I should mention, remember how madun talks about how he's had a vision of you in the NA version when you meet him in the cave? well naturally that's changed. In KR he doesn't have a vision of you, he recognizes you as the person who saved his village because, naturally, you went back in time (inadverently because of his own incompetence) to do it! Stable time loops! HapiMerchant fucked around with this message at 13:18 on Feb 2, 2016 |
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Feb 2, 2016 13:05
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Krilion posted:Old Man Cho has GoonTang Forever, Red clan. Any member can invite, but Yurifel and Black Daimyonite are two higher ups. Added
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Feb 2, 2016 13:25
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So what's this thing I keep hearing that LBD is 'bad' DPS? I was under the impression there was no 'required' party comps in BnS, even at 50 content. I keep getting kicked from 4man poharan for being an LBD?
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Feb 2, 2016 13:38
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HapiMerchant posted:So what's this thing I keep hearing that LBD is 'bad' DPS? I was under the impression there was no 'required' party comps in BnS, even at 50 content. I keep getting kicked from 4man poharan for being an LBD? The community is poo poo. But doesn't the party finder prevent you from being kicked as long as you aren't disconnected? LBD does have lower sustained single target dps than other classes, but not enough to not run with one.
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Feb 2, 2016 13:40
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HapiMerchant posted:Further edit: The hairstyle is available for female lyns, yes (well, the ears are. iunno about the hair proper). They've stated all NPCs were made using the character creator, even the generic mobs so it stands to reason it should be?. The ears/tail are easy enough to find, but that hairstyle is actually flat-out not available at character creation. I was wondering if it was a drop or something. Several similar haircuts are available, but that upturned bob isn't.  This is about as close as the character creator comes to that hairstyle. Still isn't quite the same. If the hairstyle's a drop or something, that's cool, I just want to be sure I know where to get it.
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Feb 2, 2016 13:43
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Cao Ni Ma posted:The community is poo poo. But doesn't the party finder prevent you from being kicked as long as you aren't disconnected? Well, it's either working or people just leave the group when they see me as an LBD. I do get that we're not as sustained, but it's not like we can't do any DPS. We're just more bursty (and with true profane proc and the proper lightning spec, i'm in draw stance more then i'm not honestly)
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Feb 2, 2016 13:45
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HapiMerchant posted:Well, it's either working or people just leave the group when they see me as an LBD. I do get that we're not as sustained, but it's not like we can't do any DPS. We're just more bursty (and with true profane proc and the proper lightning spec, i'm in draw stance more then i'm not honestly) No, seriously. The community is loving toxic. I'm actually not sure what on earth has made it this bad, it goes rather beyond the simple toxicity of free to play masses or even debatable "anime game" toxicity (which I've often found to not be as true). You are getting kicked because pubbies are lovely about literally everything in this game, or at least the current high-end ones are. It may get less bad as time goes on and things get populated, but right now the high end is just literally a canister of toxic waste. Run with Goons or there but for the grace of Hong go you. At least the lack of self-awareness makes for utterly delicious PVP salt, especially as a Summoner.
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HapiMerchant posted:So what's this thing I keep hearing that LBD is 'bad' DPS? I was under the impression there was no 'required' party comps in BnS, even at 50 content. I keep getting kicked from 4man poharan for being an LBD? Well, I sort of figured this might happen because Western players seem to get overly attached to the 'meta'. It's mostly bullshit propagated by KR/TW players because people were having issues on some of the lv50 4mans and their tight enrage timers, and by design BDs are more burst than sustained in terms of raw numbers, and there's no DPS parser to tell people otherwise. So people look at it on paper and just assume it's not keeping up. On top of that their grab is currently inferior to Destroyers; no crit buff, weird hitbox issues, and longer cooldown, which again caused some party dps issues. A lot of this was before some of the recent patches though where they've gotten some buffs. The grab still needs to be fixed though, I mean the talent to give it a crit buff is RIGHT THERE in the tree you just literally can't get it yet. So naturally all the new players just take the KR/TW players word as gospel and don't ever try to figure things out any other way, despite none of those things I listed even being an issue at 45 because the enrage timers are super lax. I'm also convinced that it's just people not trying hard enough to do the fight correctly even on KR, since I've seen BDs do some of these 4mans just fine.
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SpaceDrake posted:No, seriously. The community is loving toxic. I'm actually not sure what on earth has made it this bad, it goes rather beyond the simple toxicity of free to play masses or even debatable "anime game" toxicity (which I've often found to not be as true). You are getting kicked because pubbies are lovely about literally everything in this game, or at least the current high-end ones are. cathead posted:Well, I sort of figured this might happen because Western players seem to get overly attached to the 'meta'. Thanks for the kind words. I agree the community just parrots anything KR says, because I also hear people say that come feb 10th and the (limited) hongmoon skills LBD gets crap at arena and that by the time 50 content hits LBDs will be bottom of the barrel trash. Basically, gently caress pubs, is what i'm saying.
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cathead posted:Well, I sort of figured this might happen because Western players seem to get overly attached to the 'meta'. This is the worst thing about MMOs these days  Who cares if a player is "underperforming" if you still breeze through a dungeon. It's even worse in games that have damage meters, and I've been kicked from groups in games like FFXIV for not doing enough damage as a healer because min-maxing is the name of the game. I miss the old days when companies had no idea how to design games and players had no idea how to play them. Raiding Molten Core with 40 clueless people trying to do their best was a blast 
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Feb 2, 2016 14:33
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HapiMerchant posted:The madun spirit vision? It was originally timetravel. I actually got confused and thought it was time travel in the English version.
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Feb 2, 2016 14:50
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I regret opening my regium corvus on my female gon destroyer main rather than my male jin assassin alt. The regium corvus just looks kinda crap on chicks honestly. Wish we could have the EU costume, that one looks pretty sick on everyone. Oh well, back to endlessly grinding for Obsidian Serpent. It should drop someday, right? Right?
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Feb 2, 2016 14:56
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Rumor has it that the NA/EU designer rewards will swap when a new round of Daily Dash starts.
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jaffyjaffy posted:Anything I should be saving my Brilliant Moonwater Key for? The Profane weapon is what I keep hearing to use it on since that boss is annoying. The Profane weapon wasn't too bad for me. Something about open world bosses/wheels of fortune vs loading screens and dungeons makes the latter a less fun experience if you have to grind them out. I'm stuck on the Forgotten Brightstone weapon and the golem duo dungeon can be a pain in the rear end if you have to pub it up with people dropping dead left and right the whole run. The gauntlet dropped on either my first or second run but some summoner dropped like 1.3g+ on it and my gut reaction to it was to bail on that at the time. I"m kinda wishing I grabbed it because I'm coming up on having used that many keys in gold and just so much more time wasted. I only have 4 purple weapons left to get, but realistically, the Forgotten Brightstone is the last one I can see myself actually being able to use. The upgrade costs jump from ~8g for the the Forgotten Brightstone to around ~50g for the Storm Siren weapon. The Siren weapons are also available to buy with tokens while the Dark Pirate weapon is nearly 100g to upgrade to at current prices. I'm probably gonna end up using the Brilliant key on this weapon soon if my luck stays lovely. Ra-amun fucked around with this message at 15:57 on Feb 2, 2016 |
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cathead posted:Well, I sort of figured this might happen because Western players seem to get overly attached to the 'meta'. With the unbalanced fun that is lv45 without hongmoon skills or levels, I'm pretty sure my BD is pumping out more damage than my Sin anyway.
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Recently some addon makers managed to obtain teammates DPS data on ESO and for a few days in that game too there were the usual shitheads kicking players because they were "dragging the party down". Thankfully that was patched out quickly but it goes to show that min-maxing players that project their failings on their party are present in all MMOs and that you should always try to play with goons.
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Schubalts posted:Rumor has it that the NA/EU designer rewards will swap when a new round of Daily Dash starts. I didn't know EU had a different costume, but theirs looks way better than the regium for women.
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radintorov posted:it goes to show that min-maxing players that project their failings on their party are present in all MMOs and that you should always try to play with goons. but I thought you just said not to play with players that project their failings in the party?
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Feb 2, 2016 18:40
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The fact of the matter is everyone is poo poo and you're just going to have to deal with it, unless you find a specific static group of people you actually trust.
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Im leaving my regium for my summoner. The cleavage window is more like a neckbone hole for them. Probably give theuna for a birdwoman fm or necro if its out by then
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Cao Ni Ma posted:Im leaving my regium for my summoner. The cleavage window is more like a neckbone hole for them. Probably give theuna for a birdwoman fm or necro if its out by then Birdwoman? This game is getting birdpeople?
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LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:but I thought you just said not to play with players that project their failings in the party?
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Count Bleck posted:Birdwoman? Yun are birdwomen. You just need to coax it out a little
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Feb 2, 2016 18:57
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I have an Element of Luck that has a lot more XP than what my weapon needs to upgrade. Will all that extra XP be transferred over to the upgrade or be lost?
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jabro posted:I have an Element of Luck that has a lot more XP than what my weapon needs to upgrade. Will all that extra XP be transferred over to the upgrade or be lost? It won't Also save those for later levels, like when doing Profane and up. Way more worth it at later weapon levels. Hell, maybe even save them for Pirate or True Warrior stages.
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So am I understanding it right that the big story choice in the spoilers won't actually be a choice, and we'll be railroaded? Reading through all of that I was super excited to basically get to found the Wuxia version of the Cobra Kai dojo. 
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HapiMerchant posted:Further edit: The hairstyle is available for female lyns, yes (well, the ears are. iunno about the hair proper). They've stated all NPCs were made using the character creator, even the generic mobs so it stands to reason it should be?. SpaceDrake posted:The ears/tail are easy enough to find, but that hairstyle is actually flat-out not available at character creation.
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I think I found the catch of the game... I farmed up so many pretty princess outfits if I don't keep premium I have no space in any inventory. On the other hand small price to pay to look fabulous all the time.
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