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CCKeane posted:The world deserves a Sanders v Trump race. I'm hoping for Sanders v. Bloomberg v. Trump. Or maybe, Trump v. Cruz v. Bloomberg v. Sanders for Election of 1800 style backroom deals. But for real, I think/hope it will be Clinton v. Rubio. Not the most exciting election, but one that minimizes the potential for chaos and horror.
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QuoProQuid posted:I'm hoping for Sanders v. Bloomberg v. Trump. I thrive on chaos and horror.
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What a good torque wrench to buy?
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MG2 posted:What a good torque wrench to buy?   ?
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Hahaha I figured maybe some of yall might know about a good brand of torque wrenches or something. I've never owned one, but really could use one
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CCKeane posted:The world deserves a Sanders v Trump race. I want to see this so bad. I don't like Hillary, but I wonder how much of that is because of the way she speaks. Everything about her feels so "I want this so drat badly and will say or do absolutely anything to win." Every time I hear her speak it all comes across so forced and calculated that I don't think she believes what's she's saying but is just saying "the right thing". Basically I think Hillary is scum IRL.
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Asiina posted:I want to see this so bad. Vote for her and see how she flips.
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Asiina posted:I want to see this so bad. Hillary Clinton is hungry for the presidency. This doesn't mean she is incompetent or that her overall governing philosophies are poor or antithetical to the general liberal leanings that we may expect a democrat to have. She's fine.
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CCKeane posted:Hillary Clinton is hungry for the presidency. I don't think it makes her incompetent, but it does give me concern about how true she would be to liberal ideals since I don't really believe what she says. I mean my opinion doesn't hold too much weight since I'm not voting in your election, but unfortunately who your president is kinda matters to everyone.
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Feb 2, 2016 20:37
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i heard she deletes emails
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Asiina posted:I don't think it makes her incompetent, but it does give me concern about how true she would be to liberal ideals since I don't really believe what she says. She would be a horse trader as all pragmatic politicians are. She will throw unpopular things under the bus in order to advocate and work on fighting winnable fights. Everybody wants a big firecracker to come in and raise hell and kick rear end, but those are rare and require very, very specific circumstances and skills. Someone able to pick and win fights is good enough.
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Asiina posted:I don't think it makes her incompetent, but it does give me concern about how true she would be to liberal ideals since I don't really believe what she says. IAWTP
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I agree with kecco. also guys guys last night's x-files was a very fun hour of television, and I love that I can say "last night's x-files was a very fun hour of television" in tyool 2016. life is wonderful, I am glad to be alive for it.
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I just noticed that kecco's avatar is left-aligned while ecco's is centered
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Kumbamontu posted:I just noticed that kecco's avatar is left-aligned while ecco's is centered Of course. I'm the true leftist of the two of us, Ecco breaks for the center as often as possible.
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EccoRaven posted:I agree with kecco. It was great.
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I think compromise is necessary, but if you don't have strong ideals that you can anchor yourself to, it's very easy to shift a little, then a little more, then a little more, and end up so far from where you started it's difficult to even see how what you're doing now connects to those beliefs. That's why you want someone who believes fervently in what they are saying, not because you think they'll be able to accomplish all of those goals but because they'll hold onto them and constantly fight to keep them a part of the conversation.
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Feb 2, 2016 20:52
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I hear Hilary doesn't even read her role PMs 
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She reads it but then forwards it privately to everyone else in the game
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Asiina posted:I think compromise is necessary, but if you don't have strong ideals that you can anchor yourself to, it's very easy to shift a little, then a little more, then a little more, and end up so far from where you started it's difficult to even see how what you're doing now connects to those beliefs. Pragmatism doesn't mean the absence of strongly held beliefs, it means adopting an outcome focused approach. If you buy the rhetoric that Clinton has no ideals other than her own power, you're buying into drat near 30 years of attacks on her.
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CCKeane posted:Pragmatism doesn't mean the absence of strongly held beliefs, it means adopting an outcome focused approach. I actually have no ideas what the attacks against her are, I don't follow your politics that closely. I'm going by the intuition I get when I hear her speak, which is that she does not sound sincere, and is instead just trying to say what seems like thing that will make the most people like/agree with her. As I said, this could be an artifact of her not being a great public speaker or at least a natural sounding one, I don't know, but that's how she comes across to me.
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I'll also point out that you need to compare Clinton to other politicians that have been around for so long (Sanders is one, and Sanders has displayed idealism and principles as well as competence in navigating compromises, but he is generally an exception). It's very easy to express a controversial opinion when expressing it doesn't mean risking your job to somebody who would hope to dismantle much of what you have built.
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Asiina posted:I actually have no ideas what the attacks against her are, I don't follow your politics that closely. Yes, she is a weird robot person who is bad at not sounding like a big weirdo.
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Feb 2, 2016 21:25
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I hear Hilary fakeclaims vigs
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Hilary mains teemo
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JakeP posted:Hilary mains teemo She has my vote.
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Bernie is the man cause he's a man. There I said it. Did you know that over the course of European history ruling queens waged more war than ruling kings. Makes ya think
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tbh I'm probably not going to vote but I'm about to leave work and I'll go to the secretary of state and (re?)-register today since I registered last presidential election but would've had to take a bus home for an hour each way to vote and that's effort. Edit: Apparently I'm still registered, woo!
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Ixtlilton posted:tbh I'm probably not going to vote but I'm about to leave work and I'll go to the secretary of state and (re?)-register today since I registered last presidential election but would've had to take a bus home for an hour each way to vote and that's effort. You might be able to change your polling place to one closer to you
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Well 4 years ago I was still in college and now I've moved back to my home town and work at the university here so it's more of a 10 minute drive rather than major inconvenience. There's a solid chance I'll vote actually now that I think about it.
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Feb 2, 2016 22:08
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If you don't vote you don't get to complain!
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But then I'd have to vote in gubernatorial elections because we have Rick Snyder.
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Feb 2, 2016 22:12
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If you don't vote you are basically Hitler.
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If you don't vote the terrorists win.
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Asiina posted:If you don't vote you don't get to complain! It's the opposite. You get to blame everyone who did vote for all the problems. They're the one who put them in office
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Asiina posted:If you don't vote the terrorists win. Well I have gotten significantly better at T side in the last 5-6 months.
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If you don't vote, I will think less of you as a person.
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If you don't vote you get fined because voting is mandatory!
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