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Most games that I play Ezreal in end before I'd want a lifesteal item anyways. Armor pen is so much more valuable as a third item in this age of juggs.
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ImpAtom posted:I've not been very impressed with Udyr lately but I play Zilean a lot and there isn't much Udyr can do against slow except weep pitifully as my Carry walks away. That being said, I'm trending further from Tiger and more towards Phoenix because the mixed damage has been just great. My record so far for Sated Devourer is 12 minutes (though I've been averaging, I'd say, between 14-16). Using this setup: Runes
Masteries - 12/0/18
General Stuff Generally speaking, Phoenix Udyr makes a poor level 1-2 invader so I concentrate on getting ahead fast. Start bot side jungle (Krugs or Gromp, depending on side of the map) and clear your whole jungle. All of it. You can do it easily because of how Phoenix interacts with Hunter's Talisman (waves/pulses apply the 20 HP/5 drain to all monsters in the camp). In fact, you will clear 5/6 camps at the same time most junglers clear 3-4 (your Smite will refresh just as you finish camp 4). You can finish your whole jungle at level 4 with 100% HP and a potion to spare, ready to gank top or mid, assuming you haven't got into any skirmishes. When you hit level 3 (camp 3) don't immediately skill Phoenix Rank 2: take a quick glance to see if there's an opportunity to take Bear and gank - there often won't be but sometimes someone pushes just a bit much and it opens them up to an easy pick. Otherwise keep your farm on, leveling R>E>W>Q Get Hunter's Machete and Boots on your first back - you can finish your Blue Smite item if you have the extra cash but I typically like to get components first (since the upgrade otherwise only gives you blue smite effect, +2% monster lifesteal, +30% mana regen in jungle). There will be some occasions where you full clear and get two clean ganks off and can immediately buy Devourer: do it. Then, immediately kill Dragon. Then kill Rift Herald. Congrats, you are 30% to stack completion at like 8 minutes. Now go buy boots, and keep ganking and power-farming. You'll clear camps effortlessly, and quickly, building stacks of both Devourer and Strength of Ages (this helps make you a bit bulky before you start tanking up). Always watch your map, always throw down wards you have, and always be running to enemies or camps. Don't fear the enemy jungler (unless they've been getting huge) and eat their camps, too. Items
There's lots of other words I can write about this, but the best advice is to avoid entering the Yi Zone with Udyr. That is, the magical sub-Bronze mindset that has you chase people down to the ends of the earth just because you are fast enough to do so. Often it means you waste time, but just as frequently it means you outstrip your team's ability to keep up with you and follow somebody right back into a bunch of their friends. This is not specific to Udyr or Yi, but really with anyone who is fast/has lots of mobility. Starting fights is great, and Udyr's speed can get some great picks, but don't feel like you have to run people down constantly because otherwise you'll just end up dead and mad at your teammates who didn't follow you (because they couldn't keep up).
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 01:13 |
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Age of Juggs would be a sweet MMO.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 01:14 |
rabidsquid posted:Just the ultimate CD nerf, but he indirectly got nerfed by all of the juggernaut itemization being so strong and mage itemization changes didn't do anything to help him. He just can't really bully a lot of the dudes dicking around in top lane anymore and he ate a nerf so he's just really far out of the meta. Hm that sucks, I guess Rumble is still a good pocket pick against some champs like Nasus and Malphite and Riven and that sorta thing though
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 01:14 |
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Oh I also forgot null-magic mantle got buffed to +25 MR which is actually a pretty huge buff! It really makes it easier to get a significant amount of MR during laning for a not significant cost
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 01:17 |
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Stefan Prodan posted:Hm that sucks, I guess Rumble is still a good pocket pick against some champs like Nasus and Malphite and Riven and that sorta thing though Rumble suffered big time Which is a shame because he is loving fantastic if played correctly Gives massive power to a teamfight with his ult, and if you are building him correctly is also a pain in the rear end to kill Not to mention deathfire touch being super neat with flamespitter
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 01:23 |
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Tequila Sunrise posted:Age of Juggs would be a sweet MMO. I'd play it.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 01:23 |
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A Saucy Bratwurst posted:You are also the silver scrub not looking at his map so maybe you should start????????? I'm a silver scrub because I decied to play Illaoi in my placements.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 01:24 |
Sperglord Firecock posted:Rumble suffered big time Yeah I was just getting the hang of him again based on the LOLsoc Rumble video that got posted and dumpstering some people, but it sounds like it's a pretty uphill battle compared to some champs
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 01:25 |
Are there any other good like step by step how EXACTLY to play a champion kinda videos as good as the Ahri/Fizz/Rumble ones on LOLSoc? Those are awesome and I'd love to see more like really in depth poo poo about one champion (hopefully that aren't horribly outdated) I know Saintvicious did all his poo poo a long time ago but those don't really go into much detail, it's just "buy a locket and win games LOL"
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 01:32 |
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The best I've found are at skillcapped but that costs money
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 01:40 |
I had skillcapped for awhile and found most of them to be really low level and take forever to explain really basic poo poo with maybe one or two useful nuggets, but maybe I will check it out again for a month I don't mind dropping a little bit of money
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 01:48 |
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Guides are a really outdated way of learning a champion, especially since things change so much. Just go to champion.gg or probuilds for runes/masteries/items and then watch a stream or a VOD of someone in high elo play that champion
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 01:50 |
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Stefan Prodan posted:Are there any other good like step by step how EXACTLY to play a champion kinda videos as good as the Ahri/Fizz/Rumble ones on LOLSoc? Those are awesome and I'd love to see more like really in depth poo poo about one champion (hopefully that aren't horribly outdated) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cw7DTvrdfA
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 02:00 |
henkman posted:Guides are a really outdated way of learning a champion, especially since things change so much. Just go to champion.gg or probuilds for runes/masteries/items and then watch a stream or a VOD of someone in high elo play that champion Yeah I don't really know what to say other than I strongly disagree, or at least for me, I can do something way way better with a step by step like here's how to lane as this champ, here's your power spikes, try to do this, don't do that, here's the champs that counter you and how to play against them, etc. Runes/masteries/builds are like the thing I mean the least, those are easy to find at the sites you listed. Basically I just want videos like these for more champions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3bmatXt6ds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTMUO2AyrV0 I went from being trash at Rumble to easily getting into plat and dominating most lanes when he was viable after like 5 games of practice after watching that first video
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 02:01 |
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Stefan Prodan posted:Yeah I was just getting the hang of him again based on the LOLsoc Rumble video that got posted and dumpstering some people, but it sounds like it's a pretty uphill battle compared to some champs It is indeed an uphill battle, because if you do not counter a champion you will get ruined by them Your farming ability and waveclear is fairly lacking thanks to reduced damage to minions on your q You will likely lose lane 90% of the time, but losing lane opens you up to roaming, at which rumble excels
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 02:03 |
Sperglord Firecock posted:It is indeed an uphill battle, because if you do not counter a champion you will get ruined by them Yeah that sucks, before I could pretty much dumpster any melee champion really hard unless I played awfully
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Stefan Prodan posted:I had skillcapped for awhile and found most of them to be really low level and take forever to explain really basic poo poo with maybe one or two useful nuggets, but maybe I will check it out again for a month They've started updating their guides into new versions and the new ones are good. I know they have ones in the new style for: riven, Vayne, fizz, Diana, lux But the disadvantage is that they seem to expect you to watch videos for only one champ so a lot of the content on, say, warding will be duplicated for fizz and diana
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 02:13 |
Yeah their structure is really weird, I'm thinking about giving the 7 day shot of proguides, the one Gosu and Doublelift are on, a shot although neither of those guys strike me as good teachers
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 02:32 |
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Mikujin posted:Rank 1 slow isn't enough to stop Udyr from successfully contributing to a gank (there's still 2 other people), and late game if you're on Udyr slow duty then you might stop him from getting to a carry maybe but more than likely you're doing little else to help the rest of your team in a fight. My guess is you're running into a lot of poor Udyr players (who buy stupid poo poo like Runic Echoes). Nice quick talk bro, better Udyr mini-guide then any website or video. I am totally gonna try it not cause I really wanna play Udyr but because you deserve someone to do what you say after taht great post. Question about doing Dragon: What is the trick to soloing it? Do you do the E->R->3hits->E->R->3hits cycle and just stay alive with shield and the occasional hit in turtle+pots? I've never been great at the Udyr stance dance.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 02:38 |
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mikujin i will try your udyr poo poo too, because j4 makes me sad nowadays ^^you mean W not E
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 04:04 |
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Very first game initial take on Jhin: really fun, great teamplayer, put him in a lane with locktown people, dies horribly when engaged on and has little or no response to it whatsoever, hits very very hard on squishy targets but struggles against tanky ones. Will totally buy High Noon as well
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 04:26 |
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rabidsquid posted:Just the ultimate CD nerf, but he indirectly got nerfed by all of the juggernaut itemization being so strong and mage itemization changes didn't do anything to help him. He just can't really bully a lot of the dudes dicking around in top lane anymore and he ate a nerf so he's just really far out of the meta. Not to mention that teamfights around dragon have been completely disincentivized, so his early teamfight power is mostly useless now.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 04:31 |
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Tequila Sunrise posted:I did too. Whats with the three account codes? Do we get one for ourselves and two for our friends? Yeah but I'm probably gonna use all three of them to do some fuckery Also re: Jhin's invulnerablity to attack speed slows Jhin is basically always under an attack speed slow, it's as if you're playing with a permanent Nunu snowball effect on your AS
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 06:30 |
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Luckily you guys are part of the Something Awful forums and thus silversquid on NA, where pro advice is given. I will have all of you jungling Urgot perfectly in no time.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 07:01 |
Mikujin posted:Udyr guide Man I am like 3 games away from picking up Volibear but you're making it way too tempting to just go finally start addressing my lack of AS marks and flat CDR blues instead. (only have scaling CDR, 820 per rune is a massive price for how sporadically i play)
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 07:06 |
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foutre fucked around with this message at 08:09 on Feb 3, 2016 |
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Gridlocked posted:Question about doing Dragon: What is the trick to soloing it? Do you do the E->R->3hits->E->R->3hits cycle and just stay alive with shield and the occasional hit in turtle+pots? I've never been great at the Udyr stance dance. It depends on what level you are, what items you have, and how many stacks of your passive you have. I like to start Dragon with one or two stacks of passive and letting a pulse from R aggro it (so you can weave towards pit exist and back in to avoid the knockback, which lets you start killing it sooner). Then hit to trigger -> W (to keep passive stacks up) -> R + 6 autos -> W -> R + 6 autos -> W repeat until dead. If you have level 6 and Devourer you should have no trouble doing the 6 hits til switch method. That said, "stance dance" is just code for "If your passive is about to run out push a button, then go back into fight mode stance of choice."
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 08:14 |
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Pick primary mid, secondary jungle, get jungle 9 games in a row with an instant queue. What the gently caress is the point in picking primary and secondary roles if I'm going to get my secondary role every time? I could sort of understand if the client had to wait 5+ minutes for to place me in a game because noone is queuing as jungler, but it looks like it just throws me in the first game with an open spot instead of prioritizing my primary role.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 08:27 |
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Mystery Prize posted:Pick primary mid, secondary jungle, get jungle 9 games in a row with an instant queue. I think mid is the highest pick rate role. I was often queuing jungle main / top secondary and I'd say the split between roles was about 40/60. I have since started to queue as jungle/mid and I have not gotten a mid game yet. What I'm saying is that if mid is your jam, you're probably hosed, but if you want something else just pick that thing + mid and you're gold.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 08:45 |
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And even if you get Mid you can probably swap out with someone.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 09:07 |
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Mikujin posted:I think mid is the highest pick rate role. I was often queuing jungle main / top secondary and I'd say the split between roles was about 40/60. I have since started to queue as jungle/mid and I have not gotten a mid game yet. What I'm trying to say here is I'd rather wait a few minutes to get a role I want than be instantly queued in a role I am just okay at.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 09:18 |
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literally the only guide you'll ever need for league of legends
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 09:29 |
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Mystery Prize posted:What I'm trying to say here is I'd rather wait a few minutes to get a role I want than be instantly queued in a role I am just okay at. Yes, and I'm saying your best bet is to queue with a secondary that is also picked a lot. Top or ADC, I'd wager.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 10:01 |
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Mystery Prize posted:What I'm trying to say here is I'd rather wait a few minutes to get a role I want than be instantly queued in a role I am just okay at. The system works, as long as what you want to play is support.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 10:21 |
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Mystery Prize posted:What I'm trying to say here is I'd rather wait a few minutes to get a role I want than be instantly queued in a role I am just okay at. I've said this about five times in previous threads, but I exclusively played TB because the majority of the time I play League it's because I get an itch to play a specific champion. With TB I knew I could do that 100% of the time, and it's not like the wait times were that much worse. It's just annoying because LoL is the only game where there's a significant chance you just won't get to play the way you want. Its like me popping in Skyrim and the game going "Sorry, you can't play a mage for two hours, gotta play a warrior" or something. That in mind, I think the two role thing is way better than Pick-Order Draft, and it it's nice to be able to actually play ranked knowing I'll get at least one of the roles I want. I just can't wait until the release Actual Solo Queue instead of this Dynamic bullshit that puts me with 4 non-English speaking French people in Skype against another 4-man in Skype.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 10:53 |
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God how I hate playing on OCE.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 10:58 |
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Tequila Sunrise posted:I've said this about five times in previous threads, but I exclusively played TB because the majority of the time I play League it's because I get an itch to play a specific champion. With TB I knew I could do that 100% of the time, and it's not like the wait times were that much worse. It's just annoying because LoL is the only game where there's a significant chance you just won't get to play the way you want. Its like me popping in Skyrim and the game going "Sorry, you can't play a mage for two hours, gotta play a warrior" or something. I actually really appreciate how it has solved people fighting over positions. Now I just wish they could get people to somehow stop being drama queens about picks and bans...
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 11:40 |
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Alris posted:God how I hate playing on OCE. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 11:42 |
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Tequila Sunrise posted:I've said this about five times in previous threads, but I exclusively played TB because the majority of the time I play League it's because I get an itch to play a specific champion. With TB I knew I could do that 100% of the time, and it's not like the wait times were that much worse. It's just annoying because LoL is the only game where there's a significant chance you just won't get to play the way you want. Its like me popping in Skyrim and the game going "Sorry, you can't play a mage for two hours, gotta play a warrior" or something. Riot should replace Blind Pick with Team Builder.
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