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euphronius posted:The first dune novel is a classic and you can read it in a night. ?? It's like 600 pages I guess if you have nothing else going on. Thanks for the podcast link. Also, i don't want to see any spoilers, but are any books past the first one worth reading? I've heard the second is basically a conclusion to the first book.
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"Jakku is just like Tatooine" is such a confusing argument to make? They're both deserts, but all the stuff in the desert is different and means something different in the narrative. Tatooine's desert is home to wild and seedy port cities, gangster palaces, space chariot races watched by huge crowds, homestead farms and wholesome families. Tatooine is definitely a backwater and on the fringes of the Empire, but Jakku is even more marginal-- both of the settlements we see are like a step away from just being camps, and the desert landscape is dominated by the detritus of history-- the ramshackle villages dwarfed by the toppled AT-ATs and a Star Destroyer sinking into the sand. Jakku doesn't look like Tatooine, because Jakku looks like this:  Tatooine has a ship half-buried in sand, too, but by the time we see it it's been swallowed up by the thriving city that surrounds it:  Tinkering with your T-16 and drinking blue milk on Tatooine, scavenging a dead monument to the past for a quarter portion on Jakku. Going to Anchorhead to pick up some power converters on Tatooine, scratching another tally-mark in the rusted out Imperial walker that's basically your jail cell on Jakku. Luke and Rey start their stories in a similar place-- longing for something else but feeling tied to the desert by a family obligation. But the differences between those deserts start to illuminate the differences between those stories.
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Feb 3, 2016 01:42
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rear end Catchcum posted:?? It's like 600 pages I guess if you have nothing else going on. Read through God Emperor. The quality is good throughout but if you want you can safely stop after the first.
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Feb 3, 2016 01:43
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rear end Catchcum posted:?? It's like 600 pages I guess if you have nothing else going on. I read the three after it and the goodness of the books follows an exponential decay such that the fourth book in the series is garbage and I couldn't even finish it. It gets fuckin weird. But I was like 15 when I tried, so who knows.
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Feb 3, 2016 01:43
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The other books are kinda more of the same, I don't think I went too far into the third one before I stopped. You only really need the first.
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Feb 3, 2016 01:45
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Heretics and Chapterhouse fell into that creepy old sci-fi writer abyss.
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Feb 3, 2016 01:45
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Yeah but God Emperor is so loving fantastically wierd and cool.
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Feb 3, 2016 01:46
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euphronius posted:Yeah but God Emperor is so loving fantastically wierd and cool. Agreed, the first four are amazing.
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Feb 3, 2016 01:47
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Effectronica posted:I'm really proud of how I keep earplugs in my ears and a blindfold over my eyes, because that keeps me away from having to view "pompous gibberish." The Tezzor method will finally liberate Star Wars Fans from the terrible burden of thinking.
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Feb 3, 2016 01:49
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Alright, alright. I'll read Dune. I was planning on getting a library card soon anyway.
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Feb 3, 2016 01:51
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Without tezzor dune wouldn't have came up just another blessing from our God my man tezz
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Feb 3, 2016 01:58
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It's safe to say both sides are up our own collective asses.
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Feb 3, 2016 02:00
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Vintersorg posted:It's safe to say both sides are up our own collective asses. Maybe but at least everyone can agree that David lynchs Dune is a masterpiece.
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Feb 3, 2016 02:07
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Terrorist Fistbump posted:Alright, alright. I'll read Dune. I was planning on getting a library card soon anyway. after you read it definitely watch the david lynch dune with kyle maclachlan (and sting!); it's an incredibly bizarre adaptation that rules
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Feb 3, 2016 02:07
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I can't tell if this thread is reaching apotheosis or bottoming out.
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Feb 3, 2016 02:08
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Waffles Inc. posted:after you read it definitely watch the david lynch dune with kyle maclachlan (and sting!); it's an incredibly bizarre adaptation that rules It's hilarious how much the ending misses the point though.
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Feb 3, 2016 02:09
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euphronius posted:Maybe but at least everyone can agree that David lynchs Dune is a masterpiece. hell no.
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Feb 3, 2016 02:11
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Digiwizzard posted:The Tezzor method will finally liberate Star Wars Fans from the terrible burden of thinking. Imagining connections that do not exist is but a small subset of thinking, one frequently associated with the mentally ill. Once you recognize this it will help you a lot. If you cannot I'm sure there will remain many posters willing to Show You The Life Of The Mind
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Feb 3, 2016 02:11
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Child flinches in screen. This does not exist.
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Feb 3, 2016 02:12
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Tezzor posted:Imagining connections that do not exist - literally all of fiction ever written
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Feb 3, 2016 02:15
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euphronius posted:Child flinches in script Fixed 
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Feb 3, 2016 02:15
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Jerkface posted:Fixed Lucas !!!! 
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Feb 3, 2016 02:16
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This whole thread has been worthwhile because we got a guy to read Dune.
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Feb 3, 2016 02:19
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euphronius posted:Child flinches in screen. He does not clearly flinch at all, actually. Please post your rebuttal in the form of a long image made up of various grainy screenshots and references to freemasonry linked together with red lines and no less than three different fonts
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Feb 3, 2016 02:20
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turtlecrunch posted:This whole thread has been worthwhile because we got a guy to read Dune. this is the truth
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Feb 3, 2016 02:26
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In A New Hope, Tatooine has the sandy plains, the treacherous rocky areas, and the town. The geographic relationships are all clear: the sandy plains are on one side, and the town is in the other. Luke lives in the plains. Obiwan lives in the rocks. R2 heads to the rocks to find Obiwan. C3PO heads the wrong way, away from the rocks, and gets captured. Luke has to move out of the plains, and travel through the rocks to get to the town. In Jakku, there is the sand, the sand, and the sand. It is difficult or impossible to tell where Max Von Sydow's cozy small town is in relation to the all-consuming quicksand pit, where the quicksand pit is in relation to the battlefield. BB and FN are wandering aimlessly. There is no thematic reason for them to end up in the market, as opposed to C3PO choosing to stay in the sand, searching for a distant light that turns out to be a trap. The one story functions as metaphor. A similar problem affects the rest of the film. Where is the snowy forest in relation to the interocitor... pit? Why do the characters run into the snowy forest after Solo dies? They know the planet's going to blow up soon. Shouldn't they be headed back to the Falcon? Do the Resistance guys know/care that they're stuck down there?
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Feb 3, 2016 02:31
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There's also this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WWu1kclNDA It's a great vision into a crazy movie that never got made but was still super influential. Jodorowsky later then took many of these ideas and made the Incal series with Moebius. 
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Feb 3, 2016 02:37
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Whining that Jakku is a desert like Tatooine is pretty silly, considering that there looks to be an actual reason to drop Rey off on a dead planet. Anakin is on Tatooine because Tatooine is a safe location to remind people that it's Star Wars. Neither are an actual problem, it's just more of the bizarre and contrived narrative that Disney is strangling the living embodiment of risk and creativity.
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Feb 3, 2016 02:38
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:A similar problem affects the rest of the film. Where is the snowy forest in relation to the interocitor... pit? Why do the characters run into the snowy forest after Solo dies? They know the planet's going to blow up soon. Shouldn't they be headed back to the Falcon? Do the Resistance guys know/care that they're stuck down there? They run into the forest because they are trying to escape back to the falcon. We see in every wide shot that there are forests all over the planet surrounding all the key buildings. Ren stops them from escaping back to the Falcon. The resistance knows & cares about them, which is why after Chewy rescues Rey & Finn with the Falcon and flies off, Poe comes up behind them and says "I got eyes on them!" and everyone cheers, because they were looking for them in the aftermath of the Oscillator explosion. This is just all the basic on screen text of the movie.
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Feb 3, 2016 02:43
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Jerkface posted:This is just all the basic on screen text of the movie. I really can't wait for the blu-ray comes out. So many of the complaints come down to "I didn't notice that..." or "we dont get enough characterization of..." or "you can't show me any good shots TFA has..." that would easily be shot down with some luxurious hi-def frames.
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Feb 3, 2016 02:45
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Jerkface posted:They run into the forest because they are trying to escape back to the falcon. We see in every wide shot that there are forests all over the planet surrounding all the key buildings. Ren stops them from escaping back to the Falcon. The resistance knows & cares about them, which is why after Chewy rescues Rey & Finn with the Falcon and flies off, Poe comes up behind them and says "I got eyes on them!" and everyone cheers, because they were looking for them in the aftermath of the Oscillator explosion. Didn't the falcon come to a stop on the edge of a cliff? This isn't an ideological debate I actually don't remember
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Feb 3, 2016 02:48
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MonsieurChoc posted:There's also this: This was such a glorious documentary! Without Jodorowsky's failed project there would not be some of the bigger science fiction movies. EDIT: My own intro to the Dune universe was Dune 2 for the PC - a glorious RTS that basically paved the way for all games in the genre. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcogUiz3yFk
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Feb 3, 2016 02:48
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quote:interocitor Like who doesn't have an interocitor?
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Neurolimal posted:Whining that Jakku is a desert like Tatooine is pretty silly, considering that there looks to be an actual reason to drop Rey off on a dead planet. Anakin is on Tatooine because Tatooine is a safe location to remind people that it's Star Wars. This is a good example of the strangeness going on. With the one film, you presume the imagery has a meaning, though you are uncertain as to what it may be. You presume that the meaning will be revealed to you later. With another film, you presume that the imagery is meaningless, and express certainty that it is a product of cynical ulterior motives. In both cases, you are avoiding the movie that is directly in front of you. Waffles Inc. posted:Didn't the falcon come to a stop on the edge of a cliff? This isn't an ideological debate I actually don't remember Right: the Falcon is parked outside the forest. I don't recall there being a forest between the Falcon and the interocitor... pit. And how would Ren know where the Falcon is? Do you think he 'used the force'? 'Cause that's not how the force works! SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 03:00 on Feb 3, 2016 |
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Right: the Falcon is parked outside the forest. I don't recall there being a forest between the Falcon and the interocitor... pit. And how would Ren know where the Falcon is? Do you think he 'used the force'? 'Cause that's not how the force works! The Falcon is not parked near the oscillator. It is parked near the building that they use to get the shields shut off. Ren doesn't need to know where the Falcon is to stop Finn & rey, he just needs to know where they are, which is easy with the force? Of course the force could also tell him where the Falcon is, as the force has united many people with inanimate objects over the course of the movies, literally guiding them. But again, that doesn't matter, because he hears/senses Rey and goes after her and not the falcon. They take a speeder from the shield entrance to the oscillator, which you see in the shot of Finn & Rey climbing the ladder to the upper catwalk area. There is a deleted scene of Ren searching the falcon after it lands. And a deleted scene of Finn+Rey on the speeder fighting stormtroopers Jerkface fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Feb 3, 2016 |
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Feb 3, 2016 03:05
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Jakku is actually great. The fact that it's a desert isn't a problem—it's meant to visually link Rey to our previous protagonists, Anakin and Luke. And the graveyard of huge Imperial ships is a really clever visual cue. The crashed Star Destroyers are a monument to the Rebellion's victory, and yet we see Rey and other scavengers eking out a terrible life, fighting over the forgotten junk from a bygone era. It's a setting that tells us in purely visual language that the Rebels have won the war, but the true fight isn't over yet. The new generation has to solve the next problem: how do we clean up this mess? Now if there is a failure in creativity among the planets of TFA, it's that Takodana and D'Qar are so indistinct. Maybe their visual similarities mean something, but if so I haven't figured out what that is.
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Feb 3, 2016 03:08
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Zoran posted:Jakku is actually great. The fact that it's a desert isn't a problem—it's meant to visually link Rey to our previous protagonists, Anakin and Luke. And the graveyard of huge Imperial ships is a really clever visual cue. The crashed Star Destroyers are a monument to the Rebellion's victory, and yet we see Rey and other scavengers eking out a terrible life, fighting over the forgotten junk from a bygone era. Which one is D'Qar? Is that the Starkiller planet?
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Feb 3, 2016 03:10
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Jakku is my favorite star wars planet.
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Feb 3, 2016 03:11
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Waffles Inc. posted:Which one is D'Qar? Is that the Starkiller planet? D'Qar is the Resistance base planet, a verdant forest world with some beige stone buildings. In the distance, there are mountains shrouded in mist. Takodana is the Maz Kanata planet, a verdant forest world with a lake and some beige stone buildings. In the distance, there are mountains shrouded in mist.
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Waffles Inc. posted:Which one is D'Qar? Is that the Starkiller planet? The one with the Resistance base. efb. But to add a little more, I didn't realize the base was on a different planet from Maz's fortress until my second viewing. They are remarkably similar.
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