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Rhopunzel posted:Only Tiy did, he lived right in the middle of London. The rest of the team at the time mostly lived in the US. Armagon lived in Australia and Bart's from the Netherlands. Bart had a family so he wasn't going to uproot them, and although I'm British and could move there freely, I'd just spent 2 years immigrating to the US so I wasn't in any hurry to leave. In any case I can't stand Britain and I hate London even more so I wouldn't have gone either way. I don't loving understand why they couldn't let him stay and just call him via skype or some poo poo, you don't need more than one person in the room to code
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Played the game for the first time since release, the combat is still poo poo, but the quest maps are kinda fun and upgrading your matter manipulator and ship is neat and having a ton of props and cosmetic armor is cool. Well worth the 15$ bucks I paid way back.
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Arzachel posted:Played the game for the first time since release, the combat is still poo poo, but the quest maps are kinda fun and upgrading your matter manipulator and ship is neat and having a ton of props and cosmetic armor is cool. Well worth the 15$ bucks I paid way back. Wait, there are quest maps? This is interesting (or is it? Thread, please tell me.  )
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Wait, there are quest maps? This is interesting (or is it? Thread, please tell me. The bosses were moved to premade levels that you can't change.
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dis astranagant posted:The bosses were moved to premade levels that you can't change. Oh... this isn't nearly as interesting as I thought it was. The words 'Quest Maps' made me think of something like buried treasure or a scavenger hunt; you get a rough map with some general co-ordinates on a certain planet, and you have to go find whatever it is there. Goddammit, CF 
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Johnny Joestar posted:yyyyyeah early starbound wasn't magically good only to be ruined over time. i don't really know where people are getting that. it started out as some shallow as hell generic thing and over time a lot of things have changed, a fair amount of it questionable at best. starbound is currently a Thing and maybe one day it might be a Better Thing. I remember playing it for two evenings and deciding that it was kind of janky and devoid of content. Back then I thought "Hey, I'll just wait six months and come back to a ton of new things! That's what I did with Terraria." Six months later and I was amazed at how much the game felt like it hadn't progressed at all, except a bunch of quality of life stuff was gone now and somehow combat was even more annoying. Looks like you'll be able to live out your Firefly fantasy now with a crew system! I'll admit I like the concept of this idea, but it just screams 'nice to have' to me. I'm really curious as to how they prioritize features. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they define minimally viable product for Starbound as "has a lot of things from other video games that I think is fun."
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Oh... this isn't nearly as interesting as I thought it was. The words 'Quest Maps' made me think of something like buried treasure or a scavenger hunt; you get a rough map with some general co-ordinates on a certain planet, and you have to go find whatever it is there. two of them were actually pretty fun to play about four months ago
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Feb 3, 2016 15:46
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dis astranagant posted:The bosses were moved to premade levels that you can't change. That sounds pretty okay, actually. I didn't enjoy having to make perfect arenas in Terraria.
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Met posted:That sounds pretty okay, actually. I didn't enjoy having to make perfect arenas in Terraria. Yeah, pre-made boss arenas were actually a nice solution to a great deal of issues with fighting bosses.
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Met posted:That sounds pretty okay, actually. I didn't enjoy having to make perfect arenas in Terraria. Yeah I don't actually have a problem with that as long as the boss is balanced around fighting in that specific area. Making your own arena turned most bosses into a complete joke in Terraria if you hooked up heart statues to timers and stuck the nurse in a house next to it.
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LordZoric posted:Yeah I don't actually have a problem with that as long as the boss is balanced around fighting in that specific area. Making your own arena turned most bosses into a complete joke in Terraria if you hooked up heart statues to timers and stuck the nurse in a house next to it. That's why I liked Terraria though the building gimmick only works if you can actually use it for something useful, being able to craft places to fight in your favor was a neat and valid tactic, like I enjoyed making my houses fortified for the various events.
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LordZoric posted:Looks like you'll be able to live out your Firefly fantasy now with a crew system!  what is with that teleport travel time? That makes no goddamn sense.
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Feb 3, 2016 16:21
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FirstPersonShitter posted:has this game been improved at all since launch and is it dead now? You could try reading the last page of discussion.
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LordZoric posted:Looks like you'll be able to live out your Firefly fantasy now with a crew system! I'll admit I like the concept of this idea, but it just screams 'nice to have' to me. I'm really curious as to how they prioritize features. At this point I wouldn't be surprised if they define minimally viable product for Starbound as "has a lot of things from other video games that I think is fun." quote:When your crew is large enough you’ll receive a ship upgrade license. They are still messing around with the progression. I mean it does say right there that if you want to skip recruiting NPCs on to your ship (who will undoubtedly do nothing) you can just buy the upgrade outright, but why did they change the upgrade system from whatever it was before (I really don't remember now, did you have to do all the quests for NPCs to get ship upgrades?) Can any of us say with a straight face this was something that was planned since the beginning in their design document (lol) and not something they came up with in the last ~2 months?
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don't worry, the crew will probably eat all the food in your chests and steal your weapons, ore, and clothing!
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IIRC the plan was for ship upgrades to come from doing quests before this new thing. I have no clue why they're adding in new early progression systems when there's so much latter game content missing. Are diamond drills really still the top tier mining tool? And are they still breakable? Breakable tools are so 2000-and-late. Compare the amount of real content Terraria added after its weird blackmail early release in 2011 to the content Starbound's added in the same amount of time. These are the kinds of problems you run into when your team is apparently a 2:1 ratio of artists to coders.
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LordZoric posted:Yeah I don't actually have a problem with that as long as the boss is balanced around fighting in that specific area. Making your own arena turned most bosses into a complete joke in Terraria if you hooked up heart statues to timers and stuck the nurse in a house next to it. Some Terraria bosses weren't really balanced all that well but isn't the point of a sandbox game that you should be able to cheese a boss by building interesting workarounds to its powers if you want? Isn't teleporting you to a gated area and forcing you to fight a boss while limiting your potential options the complete opposite of what a sandbox game should be? It's not like Terraria had a quest system that required you to hook up those statues and build the nurse a house before it allowed you to fight the boss.
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Prop Wash posted:Some Terraria bosses weren't really balanced all that well but isn't the point of a sandbox game that you should be able to cheese a boss by building interesting workarounds to its powers if you want? Isn't teleporting you to a gated area and forcing you to fight a boss while limiting your potential options the complete opposite of what a sandbox game should be? It's not like Terraria had a quest system that required you to hook up those statues and build the nurse a house before it allowed you to fight the boss. That's a very good point. I think I may just be a tad salty about all the grinding I had to do in hopes of the RNG favoring me and giving all of a boss's drops.
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Ahundredbux posted:I don't loving understand why they couldn't let him stay and just call him via skype or some poo poo, you don't need more than one person in the room to code You're talking about a guy who threatened to replace the whole development team when a) he hadn't paid them anything for over a year after b) they threatened to walk unless they did preorders of some kind so they actually had money for, you know, food and rent and college tuition and stuff like that. Plus, as of a couple years ago they were still doing the whole 'rev share' system for upcoming games (like the pirate game that they were coding in Haskell that you have heard nothing about). quote:Hang on, is that even legal? Revshare works for new teams because everyone's a founder, but you're an established company with multi-million-pound annual cash flow and you're asking people to come and work in your offices without pay? Don't the minimum wage laws apply here? Party Plane Jones fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Feb 3, 2016 |
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Bilal posted:They are still messing around with the progression. I mean it does say right there that if you want to skip recruiting NPCs on to your ship (who will undoubtedly do nothing) you can just buy the upgrade outright, but why did they change the upgrade system from whatever it was before (I really don't remember now, did you have to do all the quests for NPCs to get ship upgrades?) Can any of us say with a straight face this was something that was planned since the beginning in their design document (lol) and not something they came up with in the last ~2 months? Multiple pathways of progression through Colony/Adventure/uh..Farming? has actually been a -thing- they've talked about doing and are only now actually getting to but it was a bullet point feature since way back, yes.
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Yeah as much as it seems like it's been pulled out of thin air this follows with some the ideas they've already established they've wanted to do for a while now.
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socialsecurity posted:That's why I liked Terraria though the building gimmick only works if you can actually use it for something useful, being able to craft places to fight in your favor was a neat and valid tactic, like I enjoyed making my houses fortified for the various events. And it was cool because a lot of bosses had to be designed with the ability to build favorable environments in mind, resulting in genuinely unique boss encounters like the Worm or the Wall. Speaking of, this reminds me of my favorite Terraria encounter; the Orc Army sieges. It was really cool to be able to take the fight to your extravagantly fortified base and defend your NPC's from bombs and wizards and etc. Does the colony system in Starbound have anything like that?
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Neurolimal posted:And it was cool because a lot of bosses had to be designed with the ability to build favorable environments in mind, resulting in genuinely unique boss encounters like the Worm or the Wall. The Eater of Worlds and The Wall are some pretty poor examples cause nothing about the 'arenas' you build to fight them are interesting or unique. Platform layers so the Worm can't reach you and literally a straight line to run on for the Wall. It's the one thing that just annoys me the most about Terraria, in fact, is that *ALL* the boss fights actually take hardly any effort to plan the 'arena' for. The bosses themselves are interesting and unique, but the actual fighting of the bosses still boils down to the same 2-3 methods that all the others require.
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Magmarashi posted:Multiple pathways of progression through Colony/Adventure/uh..Farming? has actually been a -thing- they've talked about doing and are only now actually getting to but it was a bullet point feature since way back, yes. But that's not what it says in the update. Maybe I'm misreading it. It says that quote:Alternatively, if you’d like to avoid the colony system altogether, you can spend a bunch of pixels at the Penguin Bay for a shady fake upgrade license. So, it's not either Recruit Colonists or Do Quests anymore. It's been changed FROM doing quests TO recruiting colonists. Again, unless I'm misreading and you have the option of doing one or the other to progress.
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Magmarashi posted:The Eater of Worlds and The Wall are some pretty poor examples cause nothing about the 'arenas' you build to fight them are interesting or unique. Platform layers so the Worm can't reach you and literally a straight line to run on for the Wall. terraria went in the questionable way of simply bumping up the difficulty so much non skilled players like me have to use the very limited scrub tactics to win, which just isnt fun. What's fun is 16 manning a boss with zero tactics, though.
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Bilal posted:But that's not what it says in the update. Maybe I'm misreading it. Someone is going to have to play it and find out.
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Party Plane Jones posted:These are the same people who adopted an office puppy and then rehomed the mutt when nobody would take care of it/walk it and it was pissing everywhere. wowzers
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Eonwe posted:hows the game guys Magmarashi posted:Someone is going to have to play it and find out.
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Eonwe posted:hows the game guys more game change, more game stay same
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Davoren posted:more game change, more game stay same "Game's the same... just got more fierce." There's another, actually accurate quote from The Wire that perfectly encapsulates good ol' Starbs: "Sheeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiiiiiiit"
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Neurolimal posted:I still don't get why anyone would want to move their business -into- london (when said business doesn't involve selling things to londoners at obscene prices). Millennials, dude. You think these guys are going to hang out/party with the uggo fat losers in suburbia? There aren't even any microbreweries there. Though I remember they did it at around a million copies sold so it was probably 15 million bucks for about six people working on the game. Even being sensible with it, I imagine that amount of money is the same principle as a poor person winning the mega millions lotto. LordZoric posted:Compare the amount of real content Terraria added after its weird blackmail early release in 2011 to the content Starbound's added in the same amount of time. These are the kinds of problems you run into when your team is apparently a 2:1 ratio of artists to coders. Nah, artists understand feature creep. Nobody who has concrete goals and a finished vision spends three years going over and over the same stuff. Whoever said the lead dev guy has ADD is probably right. Devoyniche fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Feb 4, 2016 |
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Eonwe posted:hows the game guys Magmarashi posted:Someone is going to have to play it and find out. Played the game, Starbad still lives up to its name. also, ShittyMeme'd Again.
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Devoyniche posted:Nah, artists understand feature creep. Nobody who has concrete goals and a finished vision spends three years going over and over the same stuff. Whoever said the lead dev guy has ADD is probably right. A great post-mortem line for Starbound if I ever saw one.
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Devoyniche posted:Nah, artists understand feature creep. Nobody who has concrete goals and a finished vision spends three years going over and over the same stuff. Whoever said the lead dev guy has ADD is probably right. True. That's why most projects really need that mostly impartial project manager to look at things long-term and help keep scope from going crazy. I remember them saying in a post about Wayward Tide that they don't do estimations and just work on a "when it's done" philosophy because that's how Blizzard does it. That struck me as nuts because 1) I'm sure Blizzard estimates features internally and 2) you're not Blizzard, Chuckles.
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Blizzard has real game designers and project managers and a loving huge staff and resource pool so yeah
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Noted struggling indie startup, Blizzard Entertainment. Overwatch looks like it's going to own, by the way.
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*TF2 theme intensifies* I mean, other than that it looks rad as hell spit on my clit fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Feb 4, 2016 |
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