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Snapcaster is like one of the only examples of a card that I think actually really doesn't need to be in standard again. It constrains the power level of the spells around it way too much, or is either totally broken.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:griselbrand is dead in-story so he can literally be never reprinted ever in any circumstances because of flavor and his ban from commander. Not if they do the "Echos" thing that has been rumored.
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Feb 3, 2016 19:19
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stinkles1112 posted:Snapcaster is like one of the only examples of a card that I think actually really doesn't need to be in standard again. It constrains the power level of the spells around it way too much, or is Either totally broken. Keeping it trapped in a format where modern masters, in super limited qualities, is the only way its going to be created again pretty much creates a quasi-new reserved list. That is kind of the root of the problem.
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Feb 3, 2016 19:21
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it's gonna be madness, with the following support mechanics: Blue: Looters, which will incidentally feed the graveyard-based mechanic as well Red: That lovely discard, then draw looter, because red is blue but bad Black: Synchronous discard, including a "hymn to tourach" type card that will cost you a random card plus the hymn in exchange for their two random cards, but it will cost 1BB. Due to power levels of the format this will still be playable and on camera we will see someone rip the perfect self-discard to enable their madness burn spell for exactsies while stripping the negate out of their opponent's hand. White: Spellshapers all themed around healing and protection with a flavor of superstition (there will be flavor text about throwing salt over one's shoulder, but here in Innistrad, they throw more) and then one Pushed For Standard guy that will be the only one people will play because he will be a mythic with a removal ability instead of lovely limited abilities. Green: Wild Mongrel-type pump, but with +2/+2 and a mythic rare that is a 6/6 for 5GG without trample that gets +6/+6 for each discarded card. WotC will write articles about how powerful this card could be when paired with some lovely cards but nobody will ever play it except casuals who are disappointed to discover that casting a 7 drop does not usually result in them having enough cards in hand to both clear the way for the non-trampler nor to discard 3 of them to 1-shot the opponent which is the whole goal of the casual deck. They will then buy 4 harmonizes and play this against their little brothers. I feel as though I have had a vision from the future
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Feb 3, 2016 19:25
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Sickening posted:Keeping it trapped in a format where modern masters, in super limited qualities, is the only way its going to be created again pretty much creates a quasi-new reserved list. That is kind of the root of the problem. Yup. They need a product like modern masters that gets yearly updates, focuses less on the draftability of it so it doesn't waste developers time and keeps staples in print. If they did this as a long term strategy it would cap prices to the EV of the boxes. There are things they could do like set a price threshold if a card goes above $50 avg on the secondary market for 3+ months schedule it for reprint and announce it. However this would require them to get directly involved in the secondary market and they'll never do it.
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Feb 3, 2016 19:26
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There will always be a best card in a set. I don't think that has anything to do with modern design philosophy or the relative power level of the set as a whole.
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Feb 3, 2016 19:26
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Skyl3lazer posted:So in upcoming set chat - Flanking? (not including TSP)
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Feb 3, 2016 19:26
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Snaps was in a standard with Mana Leak and Ponder and managed to not get banned. Now he'd be in a standard with Void Shatter and Anticipate and if that's too powerful for Standard then Standard is weaker than Fallen Empires sealed.
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Feb 3, 2016 19:27
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Yeah it's pretty obvious that a 2 mana blue creature that flashes back spells would not be good in standard
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Feb 3, 2016 19:28
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Rinkles posted:Flanking? (not including TSP) Man, flanking owns.
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Feb 3, 2016 19:29
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They have never reprinted a named character in an expansion set without just making a new version of that named character. Timeshifted cards withstanding for obvious reasons. It would take an entire philosophical overhaul for them to even consider reprinting LotV or Griselbrand or Geist of St Traft in an expansion set, and that's even ignoring any storyline reasons for them to not be reprinted.
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Feb 3, 2016 19:31
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Core sets are gone now so that overhaul is probably happening.
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Feb 3, 2016 19:32
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Rinkles posted:Flanking? (not including TSP) Flanking is in a weird space according to MaRo in that it is named in such a way (HORSE CARDS) that the mechanic is difficult to use in a general context. The same problem arrives with Bushido and Ninjitsu.
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Feb 3, 2016 19:32
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Rinkles posted:Flanking? (not including TSP) Treshhold It's graveyard themed, Judgment was 2002
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Feb 3, 2016 19:35
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The Real Foogla posted:Treshhold Threshhold is an ability word not a mechanic. That said, if MaRo wasn't being literal about "Mechanic" than it's a possibility.
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Feb 3, 2016 19:38
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Yeah it's pretty obvious that a 2 mana blue creature that flashes back spells would not be good in standard Especially since he is without Sword of Feast and Famine to grabble to pretend to be a good creature or Dismember to remove good creatures. Sylvan Advocate walls him forever and it gets worse and worse at higher CMCs. He saw some play in RTR/INN but he was hardly what made WUx control so powerful in that format.
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I guess the mechanic on the leaked card is a bit like Threshold.
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That strikes me as very likely actually. Threshold is a "mechanic" in the colloquial sense, for sure.
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I remember Rosewater saying he didn't like threshold in retrospect because there was no elegant way of keeping track of the number of cards in graveyard and at 7 it required more attention than he'd like, or something to that effect.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I guess the mechanic on the leaked card is a bit like Threshold. Yeah it kinda seems like a "fixed" threshold, altho regular threshold was perfectly fine so why bother fixing it
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Feb 3, 2016 19:43
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I guess the mechanic on the leaked card is a bit like Threshold. What leaked card?
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Skyl3lazer posted:Threshhold is an ability word not a mechanic. That said, if MaRo wasn't being literal about "Mechanic" than it's a possibility. Threshold is an ability word, not a keyword. They are both examples of mechanics. Other things that have historically not been keyworded, such as spellshaping and caring about creatures with power 5 or greater, are also mechanics. Unless Maro has moved on to literally believing something is not a mechanic unless it is keyworded in which case
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Feb 3, 2016 19:45
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That dumb demon that was mixed in with the first big Oath leak
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Especially since he is without Sword of Feast and Famine to grabble to pretend to be a good creature or Dismember to remove good creatures. Sylvan Advocate walls him forever and it gets worse and worse at higher CMCs.
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Feb 3, 2016 19:47
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Chairman Pow! posted:I forgot, Pokemon actually sell champion decks each year. They are not tournament legal because they have a different back. However, you get a complete deck for 15$, so there is an option for people who want to try decks for fun or to see if they like them before moving on to buy the legal cards. This used to be a thing in Magic but no one bought them. I know personally, my first introduction to good decks was one of my friends buying the Tog deck that won Worlds back whenever that was and not figuring out how the deck was supposed to be played and being confused how it won a championship. (we were really bad and didn't really know the rules well either).
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Feb 3, 2016 19:53
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Can't wait for the Innistrad UB Jace reveal
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See I want them to bring back the World Champion decks, but making them tournament legal. Imagine if every season the top 4 decks from the previous protour were released as a set with all 4 decks being 70-100 bucks. It would massively increase supply, especially for eternal formats, and it would be predictable when it would come out.
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Feb 3, 2016 19:58
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Irony Be My Shield posted:If only there were currently a 1U creature in standard that allowed you to cast instants and sorceries from your graveyard that we could use as a comparison. That's kind of underselling what all Vryn's Prodigy does, don't you think? In Standard he always shows up with Delve spells or Collected Company, at that. Snappy doesn't work as well with Coco or Rally unless you have 8 or 9 mana to do it again. Though having both of them is a bit too much redundancy. Oh well, guess we'll never print Snapcaster again.
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Feb 3, 2016 19:58
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Lieutenant Centaur posted:Can't wait for the Innistrad UB Jace reveal Jace, The Groan Getter
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Feb 3, 2016 19:59
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Rinkles posted:What leaked card? This guy http://mythicspoiler.com/soi/cards/mindbreakerdemon.html quote:"Mindbreaker Demon"
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Rinkles posted:Flanking? (not including TSP) Horsemanship. Bring back horsemanship.
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Sigma-X posted:it's gonna be madness, with the following support mechanics: You're not fooling anyone. Leaking spoilers to attempt to get us all banned won't fly this time around.
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Lieutenant Centaur posted:Can't wait for the Innistrad UB Jace reveal Jace, Destroyer of Minds 1UB Planeswalker-Jace +1:Target player draws 2 cards and discards 1 -2: Each opponent discards their hands, then draws x cards and puts the top x cards of their library into their graveyard, where X is equal to the number of cards discarded this way. -8: You gain an emblem that says, "During each opponents upkeep, gain control of that player's turn unless they mill the top 30 cards of their library." Loyalty-3 Madmarker fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Feb 3, 2016 |
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:That's kind of underselling what all Vryn's Prodigy does, don't you think? I'm curious how jace is going to look after fetches and delve leave the format. It's still an obviously powerful card but I wonder if I'll remain good enough to command that absurd price tag. Considering that SOI is almost certainly going to enable graveyard strategies even more, I'm sure he will but a guy can dream. sit on my Facebook fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Feb 3, 2016 |
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stinkles1112 posted:I'm curious how jace is going to look after fetches and delve leave the format. It's still an obviously powerful card but I wonder if I'll remain good enough to command that absurd price tag. He's still easily the most powerful blue card in the format. I'll expect his price to take a small hit, but he is still a massively powerful card. He was a Mythic in a poorly opened set that is a 4 of for anyone running blue and is playable in multiple formats (if not amazing), I wouldn't expect him ever to drop below 40 as long as he is in standard.
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Pokemon is interesting as a game that actually has a much larger collectible component to it than Magic. The most expensive cards in sets does not directly correlate with how much competitive play the cards actually see, and are often really big splashy timmy legends that aren't actually good in constructed. How much money people will pay for a product in Pokemon doesn't necessarily correlate with how much they'd pay for a similar thing in Magic, because the audiences are different. Also of course, cards don't really get up to Magic price levels in the first place, and a huge portion of decks are cards that can be found as commons all over the place with full art foil versions of them being worth several dollars. You can get started by buying a few precons/tins for copies of a big splashy Pokemon that a deck is built around, then fill out the rest of the deck with commons that aren't worth anything and you'll basically have a competitive list, only missing a few staple $10-20 cards that are good in pretty much any deck. It's even easier in Pokemon TCG Online, where the game has a Hearthstone-style free to play option, you "pay" for packs by buying physical packs and entering redeemable codes that come with the tips + tricks card in those physical packs (you can't directly pay for online packs), and you can trade for staples from other players. Also black potus is one of the developers on that game so it's worth checking out just for that reason if you have any interest in digital card games.
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jassi007 posted:Yup. They need a product like modern masters that gets yearly updates, focuses less on the draftability of it so it doesn't waste developers time and keeps staples in print. If they did this as a long term strategy it would cap prices to the EV of the boxes. There are things they could do like set a price threshold if a card goes above $50 avg on the secondary market for 3+ months schedule it for reprint and announce it. However this would require them to get directly involved in the secondary market and they'll never do it. They are essentially always directly involved in the secondary market. As has been written/discussed/linked to many times, wizards directly controls their profit by understanding the secondary market and essentially controlling prices of cards, to encourage the subsequent purchasing of valuable cards on Wizards own controlled schedule and pricepoint of the sealed product.
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Skyl3lazer posted:Flanking is in a weird space according to MaRo in that it is named in such a way (HORSE CARDS) that the mechanic is difficult to use in a general context. The same problem arrives with Bushido and Ninjitsu. I know you are not maro (or?) but how is flanking specific to horses or culturally specific like those other two? Pretty general tactical and strategic concept there.
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Skyl3lazer posted:So in upcoming set chat - Madness in an Innistrad set would be super cool so I hope it's madness. It could be Threshold too. When did we last see that? Both play well with graveyard themes. Sickening posted:WOTC is in a position to look at what was powerful and popular in these previous sets and balance the set around reprinting them. Shadows for instantance could include these cards. Similarly they tend not to do straight-up reprints of legendary creatures. Almost guaranteed we'll get a 3rd Avacyn card in SoI or the next small set, but it won't be a reprint. Griselbrand is out for that reason and also because in the story he's dead. lol if you think Blood Moon is something they want anywhere near Standard. Bringing back double-faced cards for Innistrad II seems likely, but they'll probably do something different with them and not use the same 0-spells/2-spells flip condition as the first time, so a Huntmaster reprint is pretty unlikely. I doubt Craterhoof is even really on their radar for a Standard reprint. It sees play in, what, Legacy elves? Snapcaster and Cavern could be reprinted but they're both powerful enough that Development would be worried. Snapcaster in particular really restricts what kind of cheap Instants they can print in the sets around it. Honestly I expect Shadows Over Innistrad to not really have any high profile reprints in it.
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