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Entropic posted:You have enough people with real power to run a Vintage FNM? You need 8 people to sanction you know. Yeah mox boarding house holds one week a month. Usually gets 20-40 players actually.
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Chill la Chill posted:Maybe just let them play with the proxy cards - problem solved? Yes that seems like a thing you should do after WotC makes a point of saying "only legit cards in sanctioned events"
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Feb 3, 2016 22:15
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Salvor_Hardin posted:Just because it will be funny, what did he try to pass with photocopies? Please let it be some $0.50 giant green creature. Fetches, Jace
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Feb 3, 2016 22:16
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Literally The Worst posted:Fetches, Jace Were his photocopies double sided?
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Feb 3, 2016 22:34
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Madmarker posted:How so, like removing the exile clause? I don't know how you would do that, you kind of need it to be in a zone in order to cast it. I think madness is fine, as most of the actual complexity doesn't come up 99% of the time, and when it does, it is only because two high level players are trying to exploit edge cases. You can't functionally change it, but its possible they might make the reminder text a little more streamlined. As I said, the only way in practice it's unusual is that MODO makes you deal with it in a super weird way.
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Feb 3, 2016 22:35
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Pontius Pilate posted:Were his photocopies double sided? We didn't bother looking
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Feb 3, 2016 22:36
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Chill la Chill posted:Somehow YGO and FOW both manage to appease both collectors and players alike by having cheap starter deck reprints of useful cards and super ultra rare versions, but MTG can't seem to do this. Yugioh is nice enough to mass reprint its $300 mythic rare broken JtMS, but only because it also bans them and releases a new $300 mythic rare broken JtMS at the same time.
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Feb 3, 2016 22:37
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I feel like people think I'm making this up but I've also heard people argue passionately in favor of mana burn when Burning Tree Shaman was a Thing, say that Mindtwist shouldn't be banned in Legacy, and that Griselband isn't broken as hell in EDH I work in a card shop. Magic players are just that loving stupid.
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Feb 3, 2016 22:38
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Kalli posted:They probably don't want snapcaster and Lili in standard, but I don't see why they couldn't just put them in packs ala expeditions. That was what the rumor was (that sounded a lot like bullshit): that they would have a new "expeditions" set called "Echoes of Innistrad." I don't buy that at all because you'd have to do it every set if you did it again right after BFZ.
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Feb 3, 2016 22:39
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Yugioh is nice enough to mass reprint its $300 mythic rare broken JtMS, but only because it also bans them and releases a new $300 mythic rare broken JtMS at the same time. Yeah YGO and it's absurd secondary market is not a thing you should be pointing at as a good example of literally anything For example ASK me about only getting one shipment of a new set, approx five boxes, because Konamis print runs are fuckin stupid
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Feb 3, 2016 22:39
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Lottery of Babylon posted:Yugioh is nice enough to mass reprint its $300 mythic rare broken JtMS, but only because it also bans them and releases a new $300 mythic rare broken JtMS at the same time. Meanwhile, when are we getting our new, better Birthing Pod and Splinter Twin, wizard$$$??
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Feb 3, 2016 22:39
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I want my creature that I can easily play on turn 2 that wipes the board of everything but itself for 3 life that wins in 3 swings. And for that to become irrelevant.
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Feb 3, 2016 22:45
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Entropic posted:You have enough people with real power to run a Vintage FNM? You need 8 people to sanction you know. You can sanction a Casual Event in a given format with four Citation: I have to use WER a couple times a week
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Feb 3, 2016 22:47
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Angry Grimace posted:That was what the rumor was (that sounded a lot like bullshit): that they would have a new "expeditions" set called "Echoes of Innistrad." Personally I think it'd be good for the health of the game. Gives a good reason for people to keep cracking packs and make standard cheaper. Could theme the cards to a plane for revisits and to the 'oh gently caress this is expensive' for new planes or do really anything with it. I just started drafting in person with BFZ, but the excitement for expeditions seemed pretty drat high and consistent. Probably half the ones opened at those drafts were immediately traded into the store for more packs / singles, so stores would probably be pretty happy about it. And hey, might as well give collectors hideously expensive bennies to acquire.
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Feb 3, 2016 23:01
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Angry Grimace posted:That was what the rumor was (that sounded a lot like bullshit): that they would have a new "expeditions" set called "Echoes of Innistrad." Why would this be bad?
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Feb 3, 2016 23:03
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Telex posted:Why would this be bad? Because it's stupid as hell to do all the time It'd be a cool thing to bring back every couple years, every single set? Nah
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Feb 3, 2016 23:05
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Turtlicious posted:Buy an Aggro Infect because it's fallen out of the meta, but is still standard legal, you can kill T4 Not sure what format you're talking about, and I know you can get budget decks. But they usually aren't $10 bucks, and every budget choice or expensive card you cut drops your win percentage, and pretty soon its to the point where you can only steal wins sometimes, and that's not what I consider competitive.
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Feb 3, 2016 23:23
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expeditions as a way to reprint too-powerful cards for modern/legacy seems not bad. if there is only going to be a modern masters set every 2 years you're basically blocking a lot of cards from being reprinted. tarmo, lili, snaps, etc are too good for the current idea of what standard should be. restricting them to reprinting once every two years in a limited run set is just going to continue their price increase
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Feb 3, 2016 23:48
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born on a buy you posted:expeditions as a way to reprint too-powerful cards for modern/legacy seems not bad. if there is only going to be a modern masters set every 2 years you're basically blocking a lot of cards from being reprinted. tarmo, lili, snaps, etc are too good for the current idea of what standard should be. restricting them to reprinting once every two years in a limited run set is just going to continue their price increase How is printing a more expensive version of a card a good way to reprint it?
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Feb 3, 2016 23:56
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mcmagic posted:How is printing a more expensive version of a card a good way to reprint it? how is increasing overall supply bad
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Feb 4, 2016 00:05
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mcmagic posted:How is printing a more expensive version of a card a good way to reprint it? "Limited Reprint" is a better option than "Full Reprint", but a worse option than "No Reprint". If "Full Reprint" is not an option, "Limited Reprint" becomes the best option.
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Feb 4, 2016 00:09
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Niton posted:"Limited Reprint" is a better option than "Full Reprint", but a worse option than "No Reprint". What about super super limited reprint? I don't think it helps much. born on a buy you posted:how is increasing overall supply bad It's not bad per se but it's not a substitute for a real reprint.
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Feb 4, 2016 00:10
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current_supply = x current_supply + limited_reprint = x + 2 current_supply + no_reprint = x which one of those is bigger? if a full reprint _is_not_possible_ this is a good substitute.
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Feb 4, 2016 00:12
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born on a buy you posted:current_supply = x Hmm yes you're right that's why Goyfs, which have been reprinted in much larger quantities than expos, have seen such a big dip in price Come on man
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Feb 4, 2016 00:13
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Literally The Worst posted:Hmm yes you're right that's why Goyfs, which have been reprinted in much larger quantities than expos, have seen such a big dip in price what do you think they would cost if they hadn't been reprinted? it's definitely more what they're worth now.
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Feb 4, 2016 00:14
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born on a buy you posted:what do you think they would cost if they hadn't been reprinted? it's definitely more what they're worth now. So much larger print runs only make a price hold steady, what does that tell you about incredibly small print runs
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"demand increased greatly while supply increased slightly. had supply not increased at all the price would totally be the same in both situations" - a smart person.
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born on a buy you posted:current_supply = x If it makes a 70 dollar version of a 40 dollar card that needs a reprint I'm not sure how that helps your average magic player.
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Feb 4, 2016 00:16
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mcmagic posted:If it makes a 70 dollar version of a 40 dollar card that needs a reprint I'm not sure how that helps your average magic player. the presence of the $70 version decreased demand for the $40 slightly. it is not a fix for price problems, but it does help. i'm really not sure how this is a hard concept to grasp. increasing supply, even if by a minuscule amount, is better than not increasing at all
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born on a buy you posted:"demand increased greatly while supply increased slightly. had supply not increased at all the price would totally be the same in both situations" - a smart person. Show me where I said that, instead of making the argument that expeditions will not have an appreciable impact on prices because they exist in such small quantities, thus making them a bad way to control prices
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born on a buy you posted:the presence of the $70 version decreased demand for the $40 slightly. it is not a fix for price problems, but it does help. i'm really not sure how this is a hard concept to grasp. increasing supply, even if by a minuscule amount, is better than not increasing at all In the sense that throwing a glass of water on a burning house is better than watching it burn
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mcmagic posted:If it makes a 70 dollar version of a 40 dollar card that needs a reprint I'm not sure how that helps your average magic player. About $120 of help.
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"any solution that doesn't completely fix a problem isn't worth doing at all. even if it slightly lessens the pain" - an adult
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Magic cards do not have normal supply curves because magic players have price memory issues and won't sell their stormbreath dragon they bought for $30 for less because it's gonna be worth that much again someday!!!!
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born on a buy you posted:"any solution that doesn't completely fix a problem isn't worth doing at all. even if it slightly lessens the pain" - an adult These are cool and accurate representations of my posts and good ones for you to make while trying to claim some kind of intellectual superiority
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born on a buy you posted:the presence of the $70 version decreased demand for the $40 slightly. it is not a fix for price problems, but it does help. i'm really not sure how this is a hard concept to grasp. increasing supply, even if by a minuscule amount, is better than not increasing at all That hasn't happened with expeditions though. Even if you were right and it's decreasing the rate in which the prices rise it's still, like you said, a minuscule impact and not a good way to reprint cards that need to be reprinted.
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born on a buy you posted:expeditions as a way to reprint too-powerful cards for modern/legacy seems not bad. if there is only going to be a modern masters set every 2 years you're basically blocking a lot of cards from being reprinted. tarmo, lili, snaps, etc are too good for the current idea of what standard should be. restricting them to reprinting once every two years in a limited run set is just going to continue their price increase I agree totally on lili but I'm not sure either goyf or snap would be out of line with current standard. A lot of people seem to be saying this standard is low-power, but that's really only the case for the non-creature spells. The big thing about snapcaster is it could impact how future spells would be designed, but I don't think the instants that are floating around now would make it a choice over flip-Jace. And Sylvan Advocate isn't gonna be that far off from goyf power-wise, and is oftentimes better in Standard. The big issue is it seems they're unwilling to print spells that have that same type of power.
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Literally The Worst posted:In the sense that throwing a glass of water on a burning house is better than watching it burn lol yeah the supply of magic cards is directly comparable to a house burning down
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Feb 4, 2016 00:21
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ShaneB posted:About $120 of help. You're reading it backwards. The new version costs more. This does not make the old one cost significantly less
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Ciprian Maricon posted:lol yeah the supply of magic cards is directly comparable to a house burning down What's a metaphor
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