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Shadownerd posted:Kev just said he hopes they all rot in prison and that the next group that does it kills themselves and now all we hear from Barb is keys flying I think she's flipping out Every time I've heard Barb she's sounded drunk, mentally ill, or both. Was funny when she was singing duets with the NTA music, though. drilldo squirt posted:I'm sorry I don't keep up with a lot of these names, who is kev and barb? Kev is the guy who runs NTA - the stream most people are following. Barb was at the refuge at one point and now regularly calls in.
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The Ape of Naples posted:I loved that album. I don't know if they had express permission for all of the 40k imagery. I don't think it came up again. Everything after that was pretty generic, if I remember correctly. "World Eater" is pretty much as close as you get to a melody on that album. There are probably better choices to use as psyops. THINGS SHALL GET LOUT NOW!
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Lolie posted:Kev is the guy who runs NTA - the stream most people are following. Barb was at the refuge at one point and now regularly calls in. Wait, what? It's Barb's phone line that is essentially piggybacking on NTA's streaming. Barb doesn't call in. She runs the switchboard, as it were.
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The Ape of Naples posted:Wait, what? It's Barb's phone line that is essentially piggybacking on NTA's streaming. Barb doesn't call in. She runs the switchboard, as it were. I thought she was the same Barb as the one who'd been at the refuge. It's way less funny if she's not.
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theflyingorc posted:fun fact, after slavery was officially outlawed, it was still practiced a lot of places, with many estimates having pockets of it still going on up through the 1950s I want to know more about this.
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I wish the FBI would send in some drugged food or something and make them pass out and then just go in and haul them out. Really I just want them to be so lethargic that they put up no resistance and this whole thing ends in one tiny whimpering fart. Edit: I know they can't and won't do this but I still think it would be great for them to just be on the ground passed out and the FBI just kind of rolls them to the trailers to haul them off to jail
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Feb 4, 2016 02:31
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Jumpingmanjim posted:They are probably brewing up the Kool-aid as we speak. Pff, can't they get anything right? It's Flavor Aid! 
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Lolie posted:I think so, especially about Ruby Ridge. Don't forget about the black liberation movement MOVE in 1985, where the Philadelphia police bombed their commune/headquarters Angela Christine posted:No, you're right. I believe there was an article from The Guardian that claimed he had about 50 foster kids over the span of a decade. I believe that when the children were taken from his ranch, he only had 4, with only one of them being there for as long as a year.
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Tricky D posted:I want to know more about this. there are still illegal slaves in america to this day. i don't know lots about the post ACW era but think about how much easier it would be to "hide" people when the country was much more rural, and communication and transportation were so much slower. especially if you have the county sheriff on the payroll, or he's your cousin or something
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So is that Tarpman being really generous and taking in children without proper homes, a tax scam, weirdness arising from Mormon fecundity, or a child slave labor ring, or some combination of these things?
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drilldo squirt posted:Am I right in assuming this whole sovereign citizen thing is a bunch of "good ol boys" mad about not being in power anymore? Because after reading this thread it really seems like it. It's also linked in with conspiracy theory mentality and the entire laughable mess that entails but there's also a bunch of guys selling Sovereign Citizen guide books who are basically throwing a fake lifeline to gullible vulnerable idiots who have hosed up their lives and can't see any other way out. Anti-taxation people also jump on the bandwagon. It's also spreading globally, with SC idiots popping up in places like Australia. The movement has close ties to the Posse Comitatus organization and is closely related to the Freemen on the Land movement. The batshit crazy rabbithole gets deeper and deeper the more you look into it. Recent thread with a whole bunch of videos: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3731337&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1 Archived thread: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3605809 The PYF schadenfreude thread also has a bunch of stuff about sovereign citizens getting their poo poo pushed in: http://www.bucklane.com/showthread.php?threadid=3747078&pagenumber=51&perpage=40#post453050072 Snowglobe of Doom has issued a correction as of 06:25 on Feb 4, 2016 |
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Lutha Mahtin posted:there are still illegal slaves in america to this day. i don't know lots about the post ACW era but think about how much easier it would be to "hide" people when the country was much more rural, and communication and transportation were so much slower. especially if you have the county sheriff on the payroll, or he's your cousin or something There's also a huge amount of sex slaves being trafficked into the US every year quote:In 2001 the United States State Department estimated that 50,000 to 100,000 women and girls are trafficked each year into the United States. In 2003, the State Department report estimated that a total of 18,000 to 20,000 individuals were trafficked into the United States for either forced labor or sexual exploitation. The June 2004 report estimated the total trafficked annually at between 14,500 and 17,500. The Bush administration set up 42 Justice Department task forces and spent more than $150 million on attempts to reduce human trafficking. However, in the seven years since the law was passed, the administration has identified only 1,362 victims of human trafficking brought into the United States since 2000, nowhere near the 50,000 or more per year the government had estimated.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:There's also a huge amount of sex slaves being trafficked into the US every year I'd like to buy a sex slave. Then set them free.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:There's also a huge amount of sex slaves being trafficked into the US every year and this is getting off topic but the number "50,000" is the most common made up number when it comes to american sex trafficking. i can't find the takedown article im thinking of but every time i see that figure about US sex trafficking it sends up red flags for me
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Darth123123 posted:I'd like to buy a sex slave. Then set them free. Interesting angle but I am pretty sure you still wouldn't get laid.
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Strategic Tea posted:I find it very hard to believe that the war was fought over slavery in the sense of any(rich white politician)one caring about the slaves. Wasn't it an ordinary case of a stronger power forcing its economics on its backwards neighbour? Just so happens the neighbour was dependant on slavery. (I mean not that there's anything 'wrong' with economic bullying as history goes; I'm not trying to demonise the north or anything). this is essentially accurate. of course the effects of the abolition movement can't be dismissed; they brought about the grass-roots changes at a local level one district at a time that eventually turned "the north" into more or less a block intent on eliminating slavery with the hammer of the constitution. when it was decided that all new states in the westward expansion would be free states, that was essentially the death sentence for southern slavery, since the inevitable result would be a supermajority of free states with the ability to vote in a constitutional amendment. but, it's still worth noting that while a lot of abolitionists were genuine humanists who understood the general equality of the races in the same sense we all understand it today (and if you don't, gently caress off), there were also an awful lot of them who were white supremacists who just happened to believe that slavery was an uncouth form for white supremacy to take. how much of the abolition movement was one or the other, I couldn't say, because the abolition movement itself is not something I've ever studied in-depth while the broader context of the civil war is.
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Demonachizer posted:Interesting angle but I am pretty sure you still wouldn't get laid. She'd owe me man.
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The Bundys are definitely SovCits. Ammon legitimately didn't believe the FBI could do anything to him without the Sheriff's permission and was surprised that the sheriff was working with the FBI when the negotiator told him so. The entire "government can't own land" nonsense is based on a very narrow and ridiculous reading of article 4 section 3 of the Constitution, plus complete ignorance of 200+ years of case precedent.
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Darth123123 posted:She'd owe me man. Amazon would probably mess up your order and send you a sex slave dude from Eastern Europe. "Hello, I am Yuri! You feed me the nice foods and we do the jiggy-jiggy, yes? I much like USA!"
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TacticalUrbanHomo posted:this is essentially accurate. of course the effects of the abolition movement can't be dismissed; they brought about the grass-roots changes at a local level one district at a time that eventually turned "the north" into more or less a block intent on eliminating slavery with the hammer of the constitution. when it was decided that all new states in the westward expansion would be free states, that was essentially the death sentence for southern slavery, since the inevitable result would be a supermajority of free states with the ability to vote in a constitutional amendment. I imagine abolitionists were like any other group of people. Neither saints nor monsters, just people with a complex collection of traits and opinions. You could be a total rear end in a top hat and be anti-slavery. You could be generally kind and be pro- slavery, at least in theory (without agreeing with every aspect of the practice of slavery as it actually existed).. IRL people are rarely considerate enough to divide themselves clearly into Good and Evil camps.
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cumshitter posted:The Bundys are definitely SovCits. Ammon legitimately didn't believe the FBI could do anything to him without the Sheriff's permission and was surprised that the sheriff was working with the FBI when the negotiator told him so. The entire "government can't own land" nonsense is based on a very narrow and ridiculous reading of article 4 section 3 of the Constitution, plus complete ignorance of 200+ years of case precedent. thinking that they can idly pontificate on a subject that literally requires a doctorate to have any practically applicable understanding of is the same loving arrogance that leads creationists to deny geology, biology, and cosmology. I wouldn't be surprised if there's an extremely large overlap between the groups.
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Lol was this remixed by velvet acid christ? loving old school
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Angela Christine posted:I imagine abolitionists were like any other group of people. Neither saints nor monsters, just people with a complex collection of traits and opinions. You could be a total rear end in a top hat and be anti-slavery. You could be generally kind and be pro- slavery, at least in theory (without agreeing with every aspect of the practice of slavery as it actually existed).. IRL people are rarely considerate enough to divide themselves clearly into Good and Evil camps. This is getting even more tangential to the thread, but the abolition movement was also tied to the women's suffrage movement, and both also had a strong anti-religious and socialistic component. A number of the best-known women in the movement were somewhere on the atheist spectrum, and one that has been largely white-washed out of history was explicitly so. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernestine_Rose
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Tricky D posted:I want to know more about this. I'll have to search for the article, but we definitely have evidence it was going on. If i forget to look it up tomorrow, pm me if you would
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Lutha Mahtin posted:there are still illegal slaves in america to this day. i don't know lots about the post ACW era but think about how much easier it would be to "hide" people when the country was much more rural, and communication and transportation were so much slower. especially if you have the county sheriff on the payroll, or he's your cousin or something Don't forget that a lot of those plantations ended up being used for sharecropping, with many of the slaves going back to their former masters since they were the ones who owned large tracts of land that suddenly needed work. It even caught a bunch of the poorer white folks as well. Liquid Dinosaur posted:So is that Tarpman being really generous and taking in children without proper homes, a tax scam, weirdness arising from Mormon fecundity, or a child slave labor ring, or some combination of these things? It's probably a combination of all. When they took away his foster children, he and his wife were already justifying it as all the good they did for the state of Nevada by taking in these boys and giving them a good home and discipline. I think a lot of doubting and questioning about this came from the money involved, but you can read between the lines, like 50 kids in 10 years, pulling many from drug rehab (where most are going to be 15-17), and all boys, and see that they probably were using them as free labor.
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Young Freud posted:It's probably a combination of all. When they took away his foster children, he and his wife were already justifying it as all the good they did for the state of Nevada by taking in these boys and giving them a good home and discipline. I think a lot of doubting and questioning about this came from the money involved, but you can read between the lines, like 50 kids in 10 years, pulling many from drug rehab (where most are going to be 15-17), and all boys, and see that they probably were using them as free labor. Yeah it's a win win, 118k per year and you also get free labor for the ranch.
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They've done it now, no one fucks with birders and lives to tell the story.
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Jumpingmanjim posted:They've done it now, no one fucks with birders and lives to tell the story. Who do you think you are, James Bond, Caribbean ornithologist?
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Angela Christine posted:You could be generally kind and be pro- slavery, at least in theory i would beat my slave in the most humane way and only when he or she really deserved it
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:i would beat my slave in the most humane way and only when he or she really deserved it 
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Young Freud posted:It's probably a combination of all. When they took away his foster children, he and his wife were already justifying it as all the good they did for the state of Nevada by taking in these boys and giving them a good home and discipline. I think a lot of doubting and questioning about this came from the money involved, but you can read between the lines, like 50 kids in 10 years, pulling many from drug rehab (where most are going to be 15-17), and all boys, and see that they probably were using them as free labor. Why does this surprise anyone? I thought juvenile work camps were the norm.
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CaptainSarcastic posted:This is getting even more tangential to the thread, but the abolition movement was also tied to the women's suffrage movement, and both also had a strong anti-religious and socialistic component. A number of the best-known women in the movement were somewhere on the atheist spectrum, and one that has been largely white-washed out of history was explicitly so. Not for nothing, but the abolition movement wasn't really anti-religious. It had very strong roots in the church, John Brown was as fire and brimstone as they come. It's hard to square owning people with God created man in his image. Some were athiest I'd imagine, but most of the leaders were highly religious.
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Lutha Mahtin posted:there are still illegal slaves in america to this day. i don't know lots about the post ACW era but think about how much easier it would be to "hide" people when the country was much more rural, and communication and transportation were so much slower. especially if you have the county sheriff on the payroll, or he's your cousin or something I was looking for specific cases.
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Angela Christine posted:I love the people who are counter-protesting in Harny. quote:“We are all Americans! We’re all Americans here!” shouted B.J. Soper, one of the leaders of a group called the Pacific Patriots Network.
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VikingSkull posted:Not for nothing, but the abolition movement wasn't really anti-religious. It had very strong roots in the church, John Brown was as fire and brimstone as they come. It's hard to square owning people with God created man in his image. Brown and his family were definitely hardline christian freaks, but he actually had a fairly disproportionate amount of non-christians and even atheists (fairly rare at the time, esp in KS) in his group. I think there were 2 atheist brothers in the group that ended up at Harper's Ferry. He also had financial ties to and a relationship with Emerson/Thoreau's group. John Brown's hatred of slavery was religious, and he was also one of the few prominent anti-slavers who viewed blacks as full equals and would live and work with them. A lot of the other anti-slavers were more upset about having to compete against free labor or losing out jobs to it. They certainly didn't want the slaves hanging around and a lot of them favored shipping everyone left back to Africa
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