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TinTower posted:This is despite the fact that any extradition to the US while he's in Swedish custody would require a trilateral agreement. one imagines that the legalities of such an extradition would not likely phase any of the authorities involved
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MrL_JaKiri posted:He died fairly suddenly at the age of 25 
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i mean, the man's a massive prick, but i think his paranoia at getting thrown into some american black site is almost entirely understandable
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Feb 4, 2016 16:27
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V. Illych L. posted:i mean, the man's a massive prick, but i think his paranoia at getting thrown into some american black site is almost entirely understandable Assange has actually made such a name for himself that if he mysteriously disappeared, everybody would instantly figure out what happened. He's bizarrely safer than many of his whistleblowers.
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XMNN posted:Inert gas asphyxiation is the way forward for everything imho  On the downside, it would mean that Assange never gets his day in court. On the plus side, it would have a positive effect on future rates sexual assault. On a serious note it'd seem like a fairly good way for state assisted suicide, as these things go. Until then there's always Max Dog Brewing. I think they showed that argon has less of an adverse reaction than nitrogen in birds. Sometimes nitrogen or carbon dioxide are used. Humans have no low oxygen reflex, but a high carbon dioxide reflex, so 'anything inert that isn't CO2 works', but that varies between species.
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TinTower posted:Assange has actually made such a name for himself that if he mysteriously disappeared, everybody would instantly figure out what happened. He's bizarrely safer than many of his whistleblowers. litvinenko, too, was pretty famous when he was assassinated. it's not a shield i'd be comfortable with relying on, and i'm nowhere near as egotistical as assange evidently is
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TinTower posted:Assange has actually made such a name for himself that if he mysteriously disappeared, everybody would instantly figure out what happened. He's bizarrely safer than many of his whistleblowers. yeah, but would anyone actually do anything even if he did disappear? I mean Russia assassinated a man with radioactive poison in the middle of London and everyone knows who ordered it but jack poo poo is gonna happen because of it.
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Pork Pie Hat posted:You philistine.
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V. Illych L. posted:litvinenko, too, was pretty famous when he was assassinated. it's not a shield i'd be comfortable with relying on, and i'm nowhere near as egotistical as assange evidently is Russia doesn't have a flaky reputation to attempt to uphold with its allies.
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Feb 4, 2016 16:36
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Pork Pie Hat posted:You philistine. I don't know a lot of Russian music beyond Stravinsky and Mussorgsky, so I was misled into believing I'd be hearing an orchestral work. My friend, who is a big Rimsky buff, forgot to check exactly which piece would be performed and was also displeased at sitting through an hour and a half of chorals. Especially because Black Label Society were playing that night as well and we missed it. St Isaac's was nice though, even though the old woman behind me would NOT stop rummaging around in her plastic bag for food.
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Coohoolin posted:I don't know a lot of Russian music beyond Stravinsky and Mussorgsky, so I was misled into believing I'd be hearing an orchestral work. My friend, who is a big Rimsky buff, forgot to check exactly which piece would be performed and was also displeased at sitting through an hour and a half of chorals. B.b.b.but choral music is awesome! Is having an instrument essential to your enjoyment?
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Coohoolin posted:Especially because Black Label Society were playing that night as well and we missed it. St Isaac's was nice though, even though the old woman behind me would NOT stop rummaging around in her plastic bag for food.
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Praseodymi posted:How did you come up with this from my post? Either the person is guilty of the crime, or they are a victim of libel. To assume innocent until proven guilty means the accuser is guilty of libel until proven innocent.
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Prince John posted:B.b.b.but choral music is awesome! Is having an instrument essential to your enjoyment? Not essential, but an hour and a half is way over my tolerance threshold. Especially because the Vespers aren't the most exciting choral pieces. Guavanaut posted:Did she offer you any? No but she left a banana peel in the bag under her seat when she left. Russians are weird.
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Tesseraction posted:Either the person is guilty of the crime, or they are a victim of libel. To assume innocent until proven guilty means the accuser is guilty of libel until proven innocent.
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Tesseraction posted:Either the person is guilty of the crime, or they are a victim of libel. To assume innocent until proven guilty means the accuser is guilty of libel until proven innocent. don't be ridiculous
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Tesseraction posted:Either the person is guilty of the crime, or they are a victim of libel. To assume innocent until proven guilty means the accuser is guilty of libel until proven innocent. lol I am not sure that's strictly how it works.
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Of course that's not how it works but if he's going to leap to a rapist's defence I'm going to be difficult with him.
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Feb 4, 2016 16:59
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Tesseraction posted:Either the person is guilty of the crime, or they are a victim of libel. To assume innocent until proven guilty means the accuser is guilty of libel until proven innocent. So people are guilty unless they can conclusively prove they didn't commit the crime? Tesseraction posted:Of course that's not how it works but if he's going to leap to a rapist's defence I'm going to be difficult with him. Watch me leap to a rapists defence by upholding part of the declaration of human rights! gently caress off.
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Tesseraction posted:Either the person is guilty of the crime, or they are a victim of libel. To assume innocent until proven guilty means the accuser is guilty of libel until proven innocent. Why bother to choose, under UK libel law it can be both!
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TinTower posted:Russia doesn't have a flaky reputation to attempt to uphold with its allies. putting the (in my opinion rather dubious) merits of this argument aside, do you really not see how a man like assange might be reasonably terrified of something like this playing out, as separate from the rape charges? relying on american respect for international law as a figure heavily involved in exposing the absence of such respect seems like a tough sell which is not to say he shouldn't absolutely be going through the legal process in sweden up to and including any legal detainment, of course, simply that his stated reasoning is probably sincerely held, and that this is eminently understandable
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Tesseraction posted:Of course that's not how it works but if he's going to leap to a rapist's defence I'm going to be difficult with him. nobody is really defending him i think you should calm down
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Feb 4, 2016 17:01
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But in this case there's no he said she said, they both (all) agree on what happened just not about whether the events constitute a crime?
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Feb 4, 2016 17:01
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Doesn't libel specifically require your reputation to have been defamed in such a way that it actually affects your livelihood? Which I guess applies to Assange, but not to every single person that has been accused of a crime.
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Not your livelihood: your reputation. I imagine how it has affected your livelihood would be taken into account when and if damages are awarded.
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Jose posted:nobody is really defending him i think you should calm down Mmmm, and yet him wringing his hands and going "BUT WHAT HAPPENED TO INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY" after all the things people have posted strikes me as a little disingenuous, hence my disingenuous retort about libel.
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Has there been any undertaking regarding extradition by either the Swedes or the Americans?
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Pissflaps posted:Not your livelihood: your reputation. That is correct.
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In extremely tangentially related news, any of you who'd planned on getting to rough up some turbosexists this Saturday will have to find something else to do, because that mass MRA meet has been cancelled.
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V. Illych L. posted:putting the (in my opinion rather dubious) merits of this argument aside, do you really not see how a man like assange might be reasonably terrified of something like this playing out, as separate from the rape charges? relying on american respect for international law as a figure heavily involved in exposing the absence of such respect seems like a tough sell If America offs him, he dies a martyr. If he stays in Knightsbridge, he dies a rapist. Knowing Assange is a classical narcissist, one must wonder why he's going with the latter option.
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Renaissance Robot posted:In extremely tangentially related news, any of you who'd planned on getting to rough up some turbosexists this Saturday will have to find something else to do, because that mass MRA meet has been cancelled. DoucheV's bravery is legendary. 
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Doesn't want to die of having his nuts slowly screwed off by an angry army man in gitmo?
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Renaissance Robot posted:In extremely tangentially related news, any of you who'd planned on getting to rough up some turbosexists this Saturday will have to find something else to do, because that mass MRA meet has been cancelled. it did get him international recognition though so mission accomplished
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TinTower posted:If America offs him, he dies a martyr. If he stays in Knightsbridge, he dies a rapist. one imagines that "not wanting to die" plays a part
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Jose posted:it did get him international recognition though so mission accomplished
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Tesseraction posted:Mmmm, and yet him wringing his hands and going "BUT WHAT HAPPENED TO INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY" after all the things people have posted strikes me as a little disingenuous, hence my disingenuous retort about libel. Might want to check the timestamp on DesperateDan's post that actually explained what happened and see that he posted while I was typing out mine before you start acting like a prick.
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Praseodymi posted:Might want to check the timestamp on DesperateDan's post that actually explained what happened and see that he posted while I was typing out mine before you start acting like a prick. Nah.
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V. Illych L. posted:one imagines that "not wanting to die" plays a part He's going to end up dying sooner rather than later cooped up in the embassy; he's incredibly ill these days.
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Phoon posted:Who's counter protesting pegida this weekend? Hello! Which counter-protest are you attending (UAF or Midlands Antifash)?
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