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atelier morgan: Mar 11, 2003; super-scientific, ultra-gay; Lipstick Apathy

Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:

Keep in mind cards that can produce any color of mana like Birds of Paradise can still attempt to make mana outside of your Commander's identity, which will result in ♦ valid for Thought-Knot Seer's casting cost. Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth is also legal in any deck as it isn't actually black, and in a nonblack deck like Wildborn it'll give every land the ability to tap for ♦.

iirc they just changed this rule and urborg will generate B and not C regardless

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Count Bleck: Apr 5, 2010; DISPEL MAGIC!

Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:

Colorless is not a color, same as before. Thought-Knot Seer specifically asks for colorless mana but the absence of a color identity is not the same thing as a color identity in absence. Its as colorless as Skullclamp.

Keep in mind cards that can produce any color of mana like Birds of Paradise can still attempt to make mana outside of your Commander's identity, which will result in ♦ valid for Thought-Knot Seer's casting cost. Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth is also legal in any deck as it isn't actually black, and in a nonblack deck like Wildborn it'll give every land the ability to tap for ♦.

They specifically just changed this rule.

Birds can be tapped for B or W for whatever reason if you're playing Animar. Sen Triplets can take mountains and forests out of hands and use them to cast red and green spells as well.

# ? Feb 4, 2016 21:36

Alaan: May 24, 2005

Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:

Colorless is not a color, same as before. Thought-Knot Seer specifically asks for colorless mana but the absence of a color identity is not the same thing as a color identity in absence. Its as colorless as Skullclamp.

Keep in mind cards that can produce any color of mana like Birds of Paradise can still attempt to make mana outside of your Commander's identity, which will result in ♦ valid for Thought-Knot Seer's casting cost. Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth is also legal in any deck as it isn't actually black, and in a nonblack deck like Wildborn it'll give every land the ability to tap for ♦.

Not anymore. That rule changed with the latest update. YOu can now generate mana outside your color identity.

Edit: So beaten

# ? Feb 4, 2016 21:38

Count Bleck: Apr 5, 2010; DISPEL MAGIC!

Alaan posted:

Not anymore. That rule changed with the latest update. YOu can now generate mana outside your color identity.

Edit: So beaten

It was the best change because now I can free up the slot Celestial Dawn was wasting and put something better there.

# ? Feb 4, 2016 21:40

Orange Fluffy Sheep: Jul 26, 2008; Bad EXP received

Count Bleck posted:

They specifically just changed this rule.

Oh so they changed it to be less fun and make it harder to play the cool new cards.

Sheldon why.

# ? Feb 4, 2016 21:44

Count Bleck: Apr 5, 2010; DISPEL MAGIC!

Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:

Oh so they changed it to be less fun and make it harder to play the cool new cards.

Sheldon why.

Because this way Sen Triplets is better altogether, you can clone things outside your color identity and not feel completely cheated, and you can put Chromatic Lantern in your decks for reasons other than "it makes my Tabernacle tap for mana". Also, there's plenty of ways to make colorless mana in EDH.

The format revolves around ramping with shittons of colorless mana.

# ? Feb 4, 2016 21:45

STANKBALLS TASTYLEGS: Oct 12, 2012

Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:

Oh so they changed it to be less fun and make it harder to play the cool new cards.

Sheldon why.

Probably because it was a weird rule that doesn't matter 90% of the time and something that most casual players wouldn't know.

Edit: also holy poo poo when did sen triplets become a 25 dollar card.

STANKBALLS TASTYLEGS fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Feb 4, 2016

# ? Feb 4, 2016 21:47

atelier morgan: Mar 11, 2003; super-scientific, ultra-gay; Lipstick Apathy

somebody photoshop shades and fat stacks onto praetor's grasp, now

# ? Feb 4, 2016 21:47

Fajita Queen: Jun 21, 2012

Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:

Oh so they changed it to be less fun

Actually the complete opposite of this. Now I can build Triplets or Ramirez di Pietro and not feel bad all the time.

# ? Feb 4, 2016 21:47

Orange Fluffy Sheep: Jul 26, 2008; Bad EXP received

The Shortest Path posted:

Actually the complete opposite of this. Now I can build Triplets or Ramirez di Pietro and not feel bad all the time.

If you say so. I instantly distrust anyone who expresses excitement at the prospect of Esper commanders, though.

# ? Feb 4, 2016 21:54

atelier morgan: Mar 11, 2003; super-scientific, ultra-gay; Lipstick Apathy

Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:

If you say so. I instantly distrust anyone who expresses excitement at the prospect of Esper commanders, though.

would you prefer they just play oloro

# ? Feb 4, 2016 21:54

Count Bleck: Apr 5, 2010; DISPEL MAGIC!

I actually just figured out what I WANT to play in place of Celestial Dawn. It's actually Praetor's Grasp. I can cast any spell I exile now!

Thanks UberJew!

# ? Feb 4, 2016 21:57

Jen X: Sep 29, 2014; To bring light to the darkness, whether that darkness be ignorance, injustice, apathy, or stagnation.

Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:

If you say so. I instantly distrust anyone who expresses excitement at the prospect of Esper commanders, though.

Zur prison decks forever

# ? Feb 4, 2016 22:03

Fajita Queen: Jun 21, 2012

I'm legit surprised that Praetor's Grasp hasn't been the latest victim of MTGFinance bullshit with how hugely it got buffed in EDH. It's essentially Demonic Tutor for anyone else's deck as long as you're running BoP or City of Brass or something.

# ? Feb 4, 2016 22:04

atelier morgan: Mar 11, 2003; super-scientific, ultra-gay; Lipstick Apathy

The Shortest Path posted:

I'm legit surprised that Praetor's Grasp hasn't been the latest victim of MTGFinance bullshit with how hugely it got buffed in EDH. It's essentially Demonic Tutor for anyone else's deck as long as you're running BoP or City of Brass or something.

Even without that the floor was always getting a 4 mana sol ring, really it's just that Praetor's Grasp is only a fun card rather than a good card

# ? Feb 4, 2016 22:06

Count Bleck: Apr 5, 2010; DISPEL MAGIC!

UberJew posted:

Even without that the floor was always getting a 4 mana sol ring, really it's just that Praetor's Grasp is only a fun card rather than a good card

I mean I'm running a "Steal Your poo poo" flavor of Sen Triplets over "Nobody Gets To Have Fun" Control Style.

So it' a fun card and that means it goes in place of the less fun card.

I've been blown out once by Flashfires. Never again.

# ? Feb 4, 2016 22:13

Lieutenant Centaur: Oct 17, 2010; A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon

Madmarker posted:

ftfy, everyone knows Sphinx-Elixir was the best deck ever.

you mean the ivan floch pro tour winner one right?

that's easily the best deck in recent magic history.

# ? Feb 4, 2016 22:13

Madmarker: Jan 7, 2007

Lieutenant Centaur posted:

you mean the ivan floch pro tour winner one right?

that's easily the best deck in recent magic history.

That one exactly yes....man I loved playing that deck.

# ? Feb 4, 2016 22:18

Lieutenant Centaur: Oct 17, 2010; A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon

Madmarker posted:

That one exactly yes....man I loved playing that deck.

It rivals Maze's End as my favorite deck ever

# ? Feb 4, 2016 22:20

Errant Gin Monks: Oct 2, 2009; "Yeah..."
- Marshawn Lynch

Lieutenant Centaur posted:

It rivals Maze's End as my favorite deck ever

Turbo Gates (aka Mazes End and a bajillion fog and bounce effects) was the best standard ever hands down.

Sphinx's rev for 12.
Yeah whatever that's cool.
Okay uhh....how many gates do you have in play?
9 and 2 mazes :getin:

# ? Feb 4, 2016 22:58

Night Danger Moose: Jan 5, 2004; YO SOY FIESTA

The Shortest Path posted:

I'm legit surprised that Praetor's Grasp hasn't been the latest victim of MTGFinance bullshit with how hugely it got buffed in EDH. It's essentially Demonic Tutor for anyone else's deck as long as you're running BoP or City of Brass or something.

It was the best card when commanders could be tucked. :allears:

# ? Feb 4, 2016 23:01

BENGHAZI 2: Oct 13, 2007; by Cyrano4747

Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:

Colorless is not a color, same as before. Thought-Knot Seer specifically asks for colorless mana but the absence of a color identity is not the same thing as a color identity in absence. Its as colorless as Skullclamp.

Keep in mind cards that can produce any color of mana like Birds of Paradise can still attempt to make mana outside of your Commander's identity, which will result in ♦ valid for Thought-Knot Seer's casting cost. Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth is also legal in any deck as it isn't actually black, and in a nonblack deck like Wildborn it'll give every land the ability to tap for ♦.

Incorrect. It generates mana of the color you tapped it for now.

# ? Feb 4, 2016 23:02

give head or get dead: Feb 16, 2010

Casting fog and activating maze's end is a feeling that cant really be replicated anywhere else

# ? Feb 4, 2016 23:25

Cernunnos: Sep 2, 2011; ppbbbbttttthhhhh~

Fiend Computer posted:

Probably because it was a weird rule that doesn't matter 90% of the time and something that most casual players wouldn't know.

Edit: also holy poo poo when did sen triplets become a 25 dollar card.

With the release of OGW. Probably because of this exact change to the EDH rules.

# ? Feb 4, 2016 23:26

Orange Fluffy Sheep: Jul 26, 2008; Bad EXP received

UberJew posted:

would you prefer they just play oloro

GeneX posted:

Zur prison decks forever

These are why I don't trust Esper decks.

Bastards, getting counterspells and a billion wraths to bother my Animar, I just wanna jack off for five minutes per turn... grumble grumble...

# ? Feb 4, 2016 23:41

suicidesteve: Jan 4, 2006; "Life is a maze. This is one of its dead ends.

Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:

These are why I don't trust Esper decks.

Bastards, getting counterspells and a billion wraths to bother my Animar, I just wanna jack off for five minutes per turn... grumble grumble...

I have like 3 counters in my Zur deck. I just cast Doomsday a lot.

# ? Feb 4, 2016 23:48

Archenteron: Nov 3, 2006

The Shortest Path posted:

Actually the complete opposite of this. Now I can build Triplets or Ramirez di Pietro and not feel bad all the time.

Exactly. More people should build Ramirez dePietro :yarr:

Night Danger Moose posted:

It was the best card when commanders could be tucked.

Didn't actually work like that. Since you had knowledge of the card, even if it's exiled face-down, you'd have to reveal the commander and give them the option of sending it back to the zone. My L2 dreamcrushed me when I tried that.

# ? Feb 4, 2016 23:57

Gensuki: Sep 2, 2011

...Did you? I mean, the caster knows, but the owner does not have to know. You do not have to reveal it and it is not exiled face up, so...it seems like you could def. jack their commander and then just never tell them that you did.

Is it like the morph clause, where even if you win off it being face down 100% of the time, you still lose when you reveal it at end of game?

# ? Feb 5, 2016 01:20

LifeLynx: Feb 27, 2001; Dang so this is like looking over his shoulder in real-time; Grimey Drawer

Gensuki posted:

...Did you? I mean, the caster knows, but the owner does not have to know. You do not have to reveal it and it is not exiled face up, so...it seems like you could def. jack their commander and then just never tell them that you did.

Is it like the morph clause, where even if you win off it being face down 100% of the time, you still lose when you reveal it at end of game?

I think that was one of the last rule changes to face down commanders before the no-tuck rule.

# ? Feb 5, 2016 01:22

just rust: Oct 23, 2012

I've been wondering if there could be a Hedron Alignment deck that harkens back to the salad days of Maze's End. Not so sure it can compare, though.
I want to believe.

# ? Feb 5, 2016 01:30

Orange Fluffy Sheep: Jul 26, 2008; Bad EXP received

just rust posted:

I've been wondering if there could be a Hedron Alignment deck that harkens back to the salad days of Maze's End. Not so sure it can compare, though.
I want to believe.

Maze's End Turbo-Fog had the assistance of a dozen fogs and an assured clock - Maze's End searched a gate every turn.

With Dig and Cruise it might not be too big of a problem to get the exlied one, but with both of your tutors even capable of getting it costing 3BB it's hard to get them all in place. Once Kahns rotates out I don't see it having hope unless something SoI is real good at exiling it.

# ? Feb 5, 2016 01:53

little munchkin: Aug 15, 2010

stolen from reddit but lol check this guy out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kYhVztlG5E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNku1IvSfU0

# ? Feb 5, 2016 01:53

Lieutenant Centaur: Oct 17, 2010; A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon

Errant Gin Monks posted:

Turbo Gates (aka Mazes End and a bajillion fog and bounce effects) was the best standard ever hands down.

Sphinx's rev for 12.
Yeah whatever that's cool.
Okay uhh....how many gates do you have in play?
9 and 2 mazes

please let us go to ravnica for a 3rd time.

# ? Feb 5, 2016 02:01

Boco_T: Mar 12, 2003; la calaca tilica y flaca

little munchkin posted:

stolen from reddit but lol check this guy out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kYhVztlG5E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNku1IvSfU0

oh my god that second one is incredible, the pause

# ? Feb 5, 2016 02:08

Rinkles: Oct 24, 2010; What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?

Poe's law

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HObjzBnBZcA

# ? Feb 5, 2016 02:11

Cernunnos: Sep 2, 2011; ppbbbbttttthhhhh~

just rust posted:

I've been wondering if there could be a Hedron Alignment deck that harkens back to the salad days of Maze's End. Not so sure it can compare, though.
I want to believe.

Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:

Maze's End Turbo-Fog had the assistance of a dozen fogs and an assured clock - Maze's End searched a gate every turn.

With Dig and Cruise it might not be too big of a problem to get the exlied one, but with both of your tutors even capable of getting it costing 3BB it's hard to get them all in place. Once Kahns rotates out I don't see it having hope unless something SoI is real good at exiling it.

You asked for this. :v:

# ? Feb 5, 2016 03:14

JerryLee: Feb 4, 2005; THE RESERVED LIST! THE RESERVED LIST! I CANNOT SHUT UP ABOUT THE RESERVED LIST!

Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:

Maze's End Turbo-Fog had the assistance of a dozen fogs and an assured clock - Maze's End searched a gate every turn.

With Dig and Cruise it might not be too big of a problem to get the exlied one, but with both of your tutors even capable of getting it costing 3BB it's hard to get them all in place. Once Kahns rotates out I don't see it having hope unless something SoI is real good at exiling it.

Also Maze's End's progress towards its win condition was literally 'consistently make your land drops,' i.e. what a control deck (and most decks) wants to be doing anyway, every turn. Hedron Alignment's value prior to actually winning is... the scry, which isn't nothing, but really not anywhere near as valuable.

# ? Feb 5, 2016 03:20