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oddium posted:i don't think it's right to call her a fiend "To give free college to everyone including the rich or to those who really need it." Great analysis Matthews
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Philip Rivers posted:This was the best debate of the election cycle. Ranking debates in terms of the production value is the wrong thing to talk about, and the questions were by and large very good and brought out a lot of intensity in both candidates. best moment has been the Chafee glass steagall answer 
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Yudo posted:Am I alone in disliking Chris Mathews? No. I turned it off when he went into his riff about how the voters don't actually want to hear information about the candidates' policy positions and that this was the greatest debate ever.
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Yoshifan823 posted:Good. Let's get more of that poo poo going. She'd be Bernie's age when she could reasonably run so yeah, I'm all for that. Hopefully her and Bernie can keep the senate commanded if Hillary takes office and more progressives keep getting elected.
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Yoshifan823 posted:You want to know how you get a political revolution going? One thing that I think would go a long way would be to make Election Day a national holiday, and make it law that if you have to work that day you are given at least 2 hours to go vote or your company incurs a fine per person.
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Joementum posted:No. I turned it off when he went into his riff about how the voters don't actually want to hear information about the candidates' policy positions and that this was the greatest debate ever. I thought that was transparent and inappropriate as well.
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I legitimately did not know this and am impressed
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Say that Hillary becomes the nominee. Would choosing Bernie for VP be the silver bullet against republican chance of winning election?
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Yoshifan823 posted:You want to know how you get a political revolution going? Socialism can't coexist with capitalism so your plan breaks down sometime around 3).
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As an ardent berner I can still say that I saw how Bernie doesn't handle some of the foreign policy questions so well as he does economic ones in ways that people can understand. I mean, in real-talk, its actually a massive compliment to him that he is not an immediate insider to all of the foreign policy thinktank elite stuff. The "judgment matters as much or more than experience" thing Re Iraq War is a bedrock issue. But the "oh, he is flustering" look when maybe the best answer is "your question was stupid" or "maybe doing nothing is best until we have more information" is what he really wants to say isnt so good. Fast forward: "I WILL UNLEASH NON-LETHAL EMP WEAPONS LIKE THIS WORLD HAS NEVER KNOWN TO DISARM ENEMY NUKES"
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:Obama did it. Obama's revolution fizzled out real quick though. It takes time. But it's happening. See, now this is my poo poo right here.
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Say that Hillary becomes the nominee. Would choosing Bernie for VP be the silver bullet against republican chance of winning election? this would not happen (same with Sanders choosing Hilary as VP).
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Rynn posted:One thing that I think would go a long way would be to make Election Day a national holiday, and make it law that if you have to work that day you are given at least 2 hours to go vote or your company incurs a fine per person. I'm already planning after I finish training to be a manager to give my employees time off in a rotation on Election Day to go vote because of how much it pisses me off that it's not a holiday.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:But...wait... Hey seriously this is a dumb lovely thing you constantly do, where is Hillary's downticket momentum? Where is the support she'll need to get anything done in office? Lol if you think Repubs are going to suddenly come to the table on doing anything but repealing the ACA. Hillary needs a political revolution as much as Bernie does to accomplish anything.
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Is that DWS on the panel? Ugh come on MSNBC
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Rynn posted:One thing that I think would go a long way would be to make Election Day a national holiday, and make it law that if you have to work that day you are given at least 2 hours to go vote or your company incurs a fine per person. lol if you think the big companies wouldn't just take that fine
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Salt Fish posted:Socialism can't coexist with capitalism so your plan breaks down sometime around 3).
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Microwaves Mom posted:Watching what I watched of it which I think was like 30m inutes near the end. I think bernie deifnitely seemed stronger. Clinton was bland, spoke long about nothing, and made some weird statements like "start good things from happening" She performed well when put on the defensive. Bernie's campaign blunders caught up to him and left him vulnerable, to the point where Hillary was able to nail him on a vote for a bill pushed by her own husband without being called out. There was almost no substance in this debate at all care of MSNBC, so all it did was just cement the fact that Hillary performs best on a defensive and Bernie sticks to the same talking points.
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Yoshifan823 posted:Obama's revolution fizzled out real quick though. It takes time. But it's happening. that's cuz I don't think Obama actually gives a poo poo about the democratic party at the state/local level which is why the democrats are getting wiped out everywhere except the presidency
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Yudo posted:Is that DWS on the panel? Ugh come on MSNBC Chris Matthews asked her "now aren't you glad you legalized this debate" right after they switched over, they didn't show her face though.
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The democratic party has totally failed on down ticket elections.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:I legitimately did not know this and am impressed You see an AMA on the Bernie reddit every few days of people that actually have serious campaigns at various levels. People do want to do this. The progressive wing should be growing.
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Dead Cosmonaut posted:I legitimately did not know this and am impressed Glad to hear it! It's one of the biggest reasons I support Sanders.
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Bad Caller posted:You see an AMA on the Bernie reddit every few days of people that actually have serious campaigns at various levels. People do want to do this. The progressive wing should be growing. the problem is I don't think bernie gives a poo poo about down ticket elections either
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Bad Caller posted:You see an AMA on the Bernie reddit every few days of people that actually have serious campaigns at various levels. People do want to do this. The progressive wing should be growing. I'm glad that subreddit is good for something
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Salt Fish posted:Socialism can't coexist with capitalism so your plan breaks down sometime around 3). China wants a word with you.
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Yoshifan823 posted:lol if you think the big companies wouldn't just take that fine If it's significant enough of a fine. shareholders wouldn't enjoy the cost or the bad press. Just wishful thinking though. Australia requires everyone to vote or they're personally fined, but that would never fly here.
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Philip Rivers posted:This was the best debate of the election cycle. Ranking debates in terms of the production value is the wrong thing to talk about, and the questions were by and large very good and brought out a lot of intensity in both candidates. Yeah I don't really get people thinking this debate was bad. Like, it was sooooo much smarter than the republican debates. They spent a lot of time on dumb controversies, but those dumb controversies also happen to be super important to our dumbass electorate, so I haven't being paying nearly as much attention to the Democratic race this year as I should be (too distracted by the Republican clownshow) but I recently realized I wasn't sure if I wanted Clinton or Sanders. I was sort of drifting towards Sanders because I'm in that target demo and it's just assumed, but after this debate I think I'm leaning more towards Hilldawg.
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HiHo ChiRho posted:She performed well when put on the defensive. Bernie's campaign blunders caught up to him and left him vulnerable, to the point where Hillary was able to nail him on a vote for a bill pushed by her own husband without being called out. There was almost no substance in this debate at all care of MSNBC, so all it did was just cement the fact that Hillary performs best on a defensive and Bernie sticks to the same talking points. The good thing is neutral voters that aren't firmly in the "I want Hillary to win because I'll be damned if I wait 4-8 years for Liz Warren cause I may die before then" do find favorability in Bernie, so this should be a long race. Bet Bernie will destroy Minnesota.
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Typo posted:the problem is I don't think bernie gives a poo poo about down ticket elections either The democratic party sure doesn't.
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Yudo posted:Am I alone in disliking Chris Mathews? No
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Bass Bottles posted:Like, it was sooooo much smarter than the republican debates. that isn't a high bar to jump considering the field
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Yudo posted:The democratic party has totally failed on down ticket elections. Yeah, Howard Dean is rolling in his not-grave (because he's not dead). Typo posted:the problem is I don't think bernie gives a poo poo about down ticket elections either This. I've gotten the impression that Bernie thinks that he is socialist messiah and will create the revolution single-handedly (I should say, as the leader and catalyst, not completely alone).
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When their first example is one of Lawrence Lessig's disciples I'm not sure how solid a case this is, but yea, awesome, let's see if Sanders can actually cultivate this because a lot of his revolution talk is hands off and that worries me.
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Typo posted:the problem is I don't think bernie gives a poo poo about down ticket elections either Nah he's mentioned it a few times in a few of his stumps, "I can't do it without you" is pretty much saying "loving VOTE ME SOME PROGRESSIVES IN"
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This, coupled with with the analysis that millennials are more liberal is where things get interesting. So we may get a political revolution after all.
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Yudo posted:The democratic party has totally failed on down ticket elections. Dems are too factional over what they most care about to pull together and win anything but national elections anymore. Repubs will band together over big ticket items like CUT TAXES or gently caress POORS and largely overlook side issues.
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Yoshifan823 posted:You want to know how you get a political revolution going? The gently caress do you think Bernie is? This is literally what Bernie is doing or has done; he started from the bottom, worked his way through the system while maintaining his ideals, became the highest position in his state, and is now running for presidency to push them further, show how appealing leftist policies are, and encourage more leftist politicians. It's almost as if this line of thought is retarded cavemanspeak for "woah woah woah, let the grown-up moderates handle things".
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Say that Hillary becomes the nominee. Would choosing Bernie for VP be the silver bullet against republican chance of winning election? I don't think he'd accept, unless she agreed to actually implement his policy
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Salt Fish posted:Socialism can't coexist with capitalism so your plan breaks down sometime around 3). Something something Zizek rubbing his nose talking about authoritarian capitalism in China.
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