drilldo squirt posted:

To be fair it seems like they are starting to crack down on it.

Ytlaya posted:

2. Israel is perceived as another "white/Western" country, even if this may not really match reality. Many people in the West tend to be far more interested in countries they perceive as being similar to their own committing crimes than countries they view as very alien/different. This is definitely completely illogical and isn't a good reason, but I can still understand why it happens.

A Terrible Person posted:

I also didn't see anything about the teenagers' families' houses/apartments being scheduled for demolition.

quote:

The father of Mohammed Abu Khdeir, the Palestinian teen who was kidnapped and burnt alive by Jewish extremists in 2014, has demanded that the Israeli government demolish the family homes of his son’s murderers and remove their Israeli citizenship, following their sentencing on Thursday.

In a phone call with Newsweek from Jerusalem, Hussein Abu Khdeir condemned the sentence handed down to two of the three killers as too lenient. Jerusalem District Court sentenced the first killer, 17, to a life sentence for helping to pour the gasoline on 16-year-old Khdeir before he was set on fire, plus another three-year sentence, and ordered him to pay $8,946 in reparations to two Palestinian families.

The court sentenced the second killer, aged 16, to 21 years in prison for assisting in Khdeir’s murder. Both minors, neither was identified by the court. The court has not yet sentenced the third suspect, 31-year-old Yosef Ben-David, as they take time to consider his defense’s claim that he was not responsible for his actions because of mental illness.

“It’s like they burnt Mohammed again,” says his father in reaction to the sentencing. “It’s too light of a sentence for the people who burnt him alive. A [Palestinian] kid throws a rock, he will get that same sentence.”

He continues: “They kidnapped him, burned him alive and [the court] gives him this sentence. This is not fair, it is not justice. Next week, we are going to ask the [Israeli authorities] to demolish their homes and take away their Israeli IDs.”

In response to deadly stabbing or shooting attacks committed by Palestinians against Israelis, Israeli authorities demolish the family homes of those implicated in the crime. Palestinians say that the same policy is not enforced for Jewish attackers.

Mohammed’s father says his family will appeal the court’s decision and will take action against the Israeli authorities for not sufficiently punishing his son’s killers. While he is not confident of victory in the Israeli justice system, he says that they will continue to fight in the hopes of stopping another Palestinian from suffering the same fate as his son.

“We are going to go to a higher court and we are going to sue the government and the police,” he adds. “We don’t believe in the Israeli justice…. We don’t believe that we are going to win anything with them.”

“We are going to be after them so nobody else will suffer the way we suffered, and [to prevent] the burning of another Mohammad Abu Khdeir.”

Khdeir’s murder—which, it was revealed in the trial, was carried out in response to the kidnap and murder of three Israeli hitchhikers in the West Bank—set off a chain of events that led to riots in east Jerusalem and the West Bank, and eventually resulted in the seven-week Gaza conflict in 2014.

According to the trial, Khdeir was waiting outside a mosque in East Jerusalem when his killers abducted him on July 2, 2014. They took him to a secluded area in Jerusalem Forest, where two of the killers held him down before Ben-David ordered them to “end him.” One of them choked him and then Ben-David beat him over the head with a crowbar. The three then doused Khdeir in fuel and, while he was still alive, set him alight.

Avshalom posted:

My tombstone, commissioned by my family, will read DIED OF A HEART ATTACK AND WAS EATEN BY HER QUAILS, AGE 27

Lustful Man Hugs posted:

I want to bounce off this one in particular. I think one of the other reasons for the focus on Israeli human rights violations is that it actually claims aspirations to be a state in support of human rights to begin with.

Main Paineframe posted:

The Knesset passed a law allowing it to suspend MKs. It then immediately suspended three Arab MKs.

Ultramega posted:

paging the awesome ghost to the thread

quote:

"At the end, in the State of Israel, as I see it, there will be a fence that spans it all," said Netanyahu. "I'll be told, 'this is what you want, to protect the villa?' The answer is yes. Will we surround all of the State of Israel with fences and barriers? The answer is yes. In the area that we live in, we must defend ourselves against the wild beasts."

The Insect Court posted:

This is easily the worst/stupidest/most bizarre anti-Israel argument that gets regurgitated in these threads. It's got the barely sub subtext of "If they stopped pretending to be ranked amongst us civilized Westerners, the way the Arabs have, we wouldn't have this problem" style Orientalism. And that's without addressing the weird racial issues where white Europeans/Americans decide to impose a white identity on Israeli Jews.

Its 'reasoning' also leads to grotesque conclusions, like the idea that the creation of an explicitly theocratic non-democratic state in Israel would be an improvement because it wouldn't be as hypocritical.

Ratoslov posted:

You are the best poster in this thread.

Demiurge4 posted:

Totally not apartheid!

quote:

A Likud lawmaker was met with derision in the Knesset plenum, after saying that that there was no such thing as a Palestinian people, since Arabic doesn't have the consonant "P."

"I want to go back to history, what is our place here, about Jerusalem, about Palestine, when like we said, Arabic doesn't even have 'P,' so this loan-word also merits scrutiny," MK Anat Berko said in a Knesset address on Wednesday.

In Arabic, the word for Palestine is pronounced "Falastin."

"What? Did everyone hear this? Are you an idiot?" Meretz MK Tamar Zandberg called out, to which Berko responded: "These are the facts. I'll send it to you, everything's alright."

read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.702630

Ultramega posted:

You can't be serious. How do people like that even get into politics.

quote:

"What? Did everyone hear this? Are you an idiot?" Meretz MK Tamar Zandberg called out, to which Berko responded: "Yes."

Effectronica posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Inhofe#Global_warming_a_.22hoax.22

His Purple Majesty posted:

I had to walk away from my phone and take a deep breath after I read the part where he cited a work of fiction during a hearing about science. I wish I could make up poo poo for $180k a year and lifetime benefits.

A man who talks to too many Cab Drivers posted:

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In December at the Brookings Saban Forum on the Middle East, Atlantic magazine reporter Jeff Goldberg asked the right-wing former Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman this provocative question: “Things are shifting radically not only in non-Jewish America but in Jewish America as it concerns Israel and its reputation. My question is: (A) Do you care? (B) What are you going to do about it? And (C) how important is it to you?”

“To speak frankly, I don’t care,” Lieberman responded, adding that Israel lived in a dangerous neighborhood. Give Lieberman credit for honesty: I don’t really care what American Jews or non-Jews think about Israel.
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That conversation came back to me as I listened to the Democratic and Republican debates when they briefly veered into foreign policy, with candidates spouting the usual platitudes about standing with our Israeli and Sunni Arab allies. Here’s a news flash: You can retire those platitudes. Whoever becomes the next president will have to deal with a totally different Middle East.

It will be a Middle East shaped by struggle over a one-state solution, a no-state solution, a non-state solution and a rogue-state solution.

That is, a one-state solution in Israel, a no-state solution in Syria, Yemen and Libya, a non-state solution offered by the Islamic caliphate and a rogue-state solution offered by Iran.

Start with Israel. The peace process is dead. It’s over, folks, so please stop sending the New York Times Op-Ed page editor your proposals for a two-state solution between Israelis and Palestinians. The next U.S. president will have to deal with an Israel determined to permanently occupy all the territory between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, including where 2.5 million West Bank Palestinians live.

How did we get there? So many people stuck knives into the peace process it’s hard to know who delivered the mortal blow. Was it the fanatical Jewish settlers determined to keep expanding their footprint in the West Bank and able to sabotage any Israeli politician or army officer who opposed them? Was it right-wing Jewish billionaires, like Sheldon Adelson, who used their influence to blunt any U.S. congressional criticism of Bibi Netanyahu?

Or was it Netanyahu, whose lust to hold onto his seat of power is only surpassed by his lack of imagination to find a secure way to separate from the Palestinians? Bibi won: He’s now a historic figure — the founding father of the one-state solution.

And Hamas is the mother. Hamas devoted all its resources to digging tunnels to attack Israelis from Gaza rather than turning Gaza into Singapore, making a laughingstock of Israeli peace advocates. And Hamas launched a rocket close enough to Tel Aviv’s airport that the U.S. banned all American flights for a day, signaling to every Israeli, dove or hawk, what could happen if they ceded the West Bank.

But Hamas was not alone. The Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, sacked the only effective Palestinian prime minister ever, Salam Fayyad, who was dedicated to fighting corruption and proving that Palestinians deserved a state by focusing on building institutions, not U.N. resolutions.

They all killed the two-state solution. Let the one-state era begin. It will involve a steady low-grade civil war between Palestinians and Israelis and a growing Israeli isolation in Europe and on college campuses that the next U.S. president will have to navigate.

Meanwhile, a no-state Syria — a Syria that Bashar al-Assad and his Russian and Iranian backers only partly control — will be a chest wound bleeding refugees into Europe. I am certain that Russia’s President Vladimir Putin is deliberately bombing anti-regime Syrians to drive them into Europe in hopes of creating a rift in the European Union, strain its resources and make it a weaker rival to Russia and a weaker ally for America.
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And the non-state Sunni caliphate (ISIS) and rogue-state Shiite Iran will feed off each other. I love it when both Democratic and Republican candidates say, “When I am president, I’ll get Sunni Arabs to take the lead in fighting ISIS.” Gosh, I bet Obama never thought of that!

The Sunni Arabs are never going to destroy a non-state ISIS as long as Iran behaves like a Shiite rogue state, not a normal one. It’s true, Iran is a great civilization. It could dominate the region with the dynamism of its business class, universities, science and arts. But Iran’s ayatollahs don’t trust their soft power. They prefer instead to go rogue, to look for dignity in all the wrong places — by using Shiite proxies to dominate four Arab capitals: Beirut, Damascus, Sana and Baghdad.

So my advice to all the candidates is: Keep talking about the fantasy Middle East. I can always use a good bedtime story to fall asleep. But get ready for the real thing. This is not your grandfather’s Israel anymore, it’s not your oil company’s Saudi Arabia anymore, it’s not your NATO’s Turkey anymore, it’s not your cabdriver’s Iran anymore and it’s not your radical chic college professor’s Palestine anymore. It’s a wholly different beast now, slouching toward Bethlehem.

Demiurge4 posted:

Totally not apartheid!

Avshalom posted:

quote:

What are you afraid of? Bibi, Bennett, Ariel, Smotrich, Elkin, Levin, Hotovely, what are you, nerds?

The Insect Court posted:

Yes, we all remember that time when those three black MPs were suspended from the parliament of apartheid South Africa, leaving black Africans in control of the third largest parliamentary bloc. Truly horrifying, do these Zionist fiends have any limits?



http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.702639

emanresu tnuocca posted:

They just keep getting dumber and dumber:

quote:

The lawmaker's gaffe was made during a Knesset debate on the Labor's plan for separating from the Palestinians.

Article quoted by Crowsbeak posted:

And Hamas is the mother. Hamas devoted all its resources to digging tunnels to attack Israelis from Gaza rather than turning Gaza into Singapore

Cat Mattress posted:

Hahahahaha I'd like to travel to the parallel Earth where Hamas tried to turn Gaza into Singapore, see how that turned out for them. "We're gonna get rich on external trading! While Israel is blockading us and preventing us from developing any sort of infrastructure! It will totally work!"

A big difference between Gaza and Singapore is that Malaysia was not fully invested in preventing Singapore from ever developing any sort of real economy or autonomy.

Cat Mattress posted:

Hahahahaha I'd like to travel to the parallel Earth where Hamas tried to turn Gaza into Singapore, see how that turned out for them. "We're gonna get rich on external trading! While Israel is blockading us and preventing us from developing any sort of infrastructure! It will totally work!"

A big difference between Gaza and Singapore is that Malaysia was not fully invested in preventing Singapore from ever developing any sort of real economy or autonomy.

Main Paineframe posted:

The planned construction of an Arab middle school in northeast Jerusalem is likely to be canceled after the government came out against it, complaining that it was a "potential threat" to the nearby police station.

Petey posted:

Some of you old time LF types may remember noted forums poster wheez the roux, who was a pretty great comrade-poster, supporter of the SPLC and palestinian refugees, outrageously good cook, and generally Awesome Dude

he died, suddenly & unexpectedly, last year (obit):

quote:

On May 23, 2015 a beautiful, brilliant, funny and kind young man was sitting on his couch in Pullman, Washington excitedly messaging his sister about plans to celebrate a family event. Then his heart stopped beating. He was 26 years old.

Aric Matthew Kleppin, who was born on August 30, 1988 in Anchorage, Alaska and graduated from South High School, would have loved this opportunity to write something ridiculous about himself in the newspaper, and likely would have preferred we use a picture of him in his beloved Halloween horse mask. Instead, his family would like to introduce him to those who did not know him.

Aric was an avid student of history and linguistics; he was an enthusiastic cook with a kitchen full of unusual cooking implements; he was a talented trombone player with a passion for jazz and love of Japanese pop music; he was an outspoken activist for human rights, volunteering with Project Hope in Nablus, Palestine; he was a caring son who loved going to football and baseball games with his dad as well as road trips with his mom; he was a proud Washington State University graduate like his older sister; he was a world traveler who gleefully celebrated Spain's World Cup victory while in Barcelona and did not go into the details about how exactly he got that photo from the top of the pyramid of Giza; he was a Spanish speaker who loved teaching at Concordia Language Camp in Bemidji, Minnesota; he was a passionate debater who never conceded an argument no matter how absolutely wrong he might have been.

Our awesome son, brother, and friend had unbounded intellectual curiosity and has left behind passionate and prolific recommendations of novels, articles, films, albums, documentaries, causes and recipes which will take us a lifetime to catch up with.

Aric is loved, missed, and survived by his family including his parents Daryl and Donna, older sisters Desa and Lyndsey, brother-in-law Cory Duskin, niece and nephew Alaina and Parker Duskin, grandfather Ronald Steichen as well as numerous, aunts, uncles, cousins, teachers, students and friends.

A celebration featuring his favorite food, beverages and music will be held at home in Anchorage on August 29th. Further details will be announced closer to that date. Memorial contributions in Aric’s honor are suggested to the Southern Poverty Law Center or Doctors Without Borders. Kimball Funeral Home & Crematory of Pullman has been entrusted with cremation arrangements.

anyway: his sister (mentioned in the obit) ended up finding the forums, somehow, and gathered a lot of his recipes and posts together from SA, and via a memorial website for him. she also put together a cookbook of his recipes, free online, and also available in print (i just got mine)



TFF, where wheez posted often about football, ended up raising about $7k for SPLC in his memory, and I think (not sure) the cookbook has some proceeds go there as well.

anyway, I realized when I got this that I wasn't sure if the news of his death had ever been posted to D&D/YCS, so I decided to post it here, since I think this is where wheez would be posting a lot if he were still around to bash his drunk greasy fingers on a keyboard.

RIP wheez, you were the rarest thing of all: A Good Poster