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T8R posted:Finally, now I can quit my well paying job and just sit around all day being poor on taxpayer dime. I won't be quitting my job with the intent of being poor but I will be quitting my job with the intent of trying a different career the day mincome is actually implemented. The reason why I'm not doing that anyway is because as it is if I try it and it doesn't work out I'm basically sentencing my wife and I to spending the rest of our lives in poverty.
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Just your bi-monthly reminder that the Federal Liberals and Ontario Liberals are totally separate entities and nothing alike. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/justin-trudeau-to-attend-whitby-oshawa-byelection-rally-with-kathleen-wynne-1.3435818 quote:Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is set to appear Tuesday at a rally with Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne for the Liberal candidate in an upcoming provincial byelection east of Toronto.
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In Ghomeshichat, his lawyer is arguing that engaging with someone who abused you retroactively makes that abuse okay.Some tweets from the trial posted:
 Well I didn't want you to stick me in the arm with that heroin needle, but now that you've done that I'm having a hell of a great time!Because abused people always act completely rationally and cloister themselves forever, and they certainly never try to own their degradation or turn poo poo into poo poo-ade.
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Feb 5, 2016 20:17
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flakeloaf posted:In Ghomeshichat, his lawyer is arguing that engaging with someone who abused you retroactively makes that abuse okay. The problem with this is that she is against a judge and not a jury. The judge will see through that for what it is, crap.
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Feb 5, 2016 20:20
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Helsing posted:While I have trouble getting all that upset about giving people assistance in fighting ISIS, I also can't help but think that we've just switched from accidentally bombing civilians to accidentally training the death squads that will be terrorizing them in a couple years.
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This lawyer, Henein has gotten everyone off from that attorney general with road rage to fuckin noted pedophile hockey figure David Frost. Ghomeshi is getting off (lol) no matter what.
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Cultural Imperial posted:This lawyer, Henein has gotten everyone off from that attorney general with road rage to fuckin noted pedophile hockey figure David Frost. Ghomeshi is getting off (lol) no matter what. She is literately the best defence lawyer in the country. On the other hand, it might still count as assault to hit someone without warning or safe-words? http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2016/02/05/cross-examination-of-lucy-decoutere-continues-at-jian-ghomeshi-trial.html "As reporters lined up outside the courthouse early on Friday morning, a young man with a skateboard ran up the steps and began banging on the doors and muttering threats and insults at the waiting group. He removed a power tool from his bag, turned it on and was in the process of reaching into his bag again when he was tackled by a reporter. The police were called and escorted the man away in handcuffs." yessss everyone go crazy
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Not that it makes her any less of a really good lawyer, but I thought Bryant's charge was withdrawn because there was no hope of convicting a guy for running over a drunk man who reached into a moving car to try to steer it into things after having spent the last several weeks dicking around in that same intersection and provoking motorists; and Frost's acquittal was partly because of police collusion (group note-taking is very bad), partly because of perjury from his other victims who testified in his defense, and partly because of the crowns' perplexing inability to call any witnesses who knew fuckall about hockey.
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jm20 posted:The problem with this is that she is against a judge and not a jury. The judge will see through that for what it is, crap. The judge will say the women should have kept their knees together and Jian will go free hth
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jm20 posted:Who are we training exactly? The Iraqi Kurds? The Syrian Kurds? The Turkish Kurds? Iraqi Kurds. I believe the KDP (in power in Iraqi Kurdistan), under Barzani (President) is getting most of the foreign support of Kurdish groups. Unfortunately Barzani is a bit of an rear end in a top hat, his elected term ended over the summer, and he's stayed in power due to the current crisis. He and his KDP have fought civil wars with other Kurdish groups (namely the PUK, let by Talibani) and have frequently switched sides. The KDP is not friendly with the PKK (Turkey) or YPG (Syria). Turkey backs the KDP these days. The YPG are actually kinda good- in a literal communist sorta way. But backing for them is more quietly because Turkey really hates it. I root for the Kurds, but they're not united, and there's a very good chance they will fight amongst themselves. I'm not sure how I feel about Canada training the shittier of these groups to fight better.
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Mother Canada got killed. Woohoo! Also blackberry laying off an unknown number of employees.
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Math You posted:Mother Canada got killed. Woohoo! "approximately 200 employees have been impacted in Canada and Florida" http://mobilesyrup.com/2016/02/05/blackberry-reportedly-cuts-35-of-waterloo-workforce-including-significant-blackberry-10-devices-staff/ see: update
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Eat poo poo y'all
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Eat from the trashcan of ideology
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The death of Mother Canada is another step in killing Harper's lovely legacy once and for all. I've been doing a lot of studies on the parks and how politics affect them, and it's been a huge relief to see all the poo poo they've been pressured into doing being reversed so quickly. Hopefully soon they'll start funding scientific research and employing wardens to stop the increased poaching the mountains have seen in the last few years.
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Feb 5, 2016 22:35
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wow that's racist who are you to judge chinese traditional medicine
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gently caress traditional "medicine" aka "use this rhino ivory because you have a tiny dick"
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flakeloaf posted:In Ghomeshichat, his lawyer is arguing that engaging with someone who abused you retroactively makes that abuse okay. You know she just has to prove reasonable doubt right tumblr?
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MA-Horus posted:gently caress traditional "medicine" aka "use this rhino ivory because you have a tiny dick" It's actually worse than that. Ivory comes from elephants, among other things, and while nothing justifies hunting elephants for their tusks, ivory is a pretty nifty and unique material. Rhino horn is made of keratin, the same poo poo that's in your fingernails.
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I haven't heard of the increased poaching before, is that just like casual "no wardens around, gonna shoot me a doe" or more professional stuff?
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Ikantski posted:You know she just has to prove reasonable doubt right tumblr? If your explanations are half as bad as your ad-homs, there's no way you're telling us how how emailing a guy tomorrow might make a reasonable trier of fact wonder if that makes it okay for him to have beaten and choked you yesterday.
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His lawyer isn't saying its cool to beat women. She's saying that, based on those emails, there's reason to doubt Lucy's story (that it wasn't consensual).
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I put more stock in her statement today that she didn't consent to being treated that way at the time than I put in his lawyer's allegation that things she said after the fact could be taken to mean that she did, but it's not my opinion that matters and I'm naturally biased against defense-created theories. Proving consent is an even shittier part of a judge's job than having to endure arguments about how someone who said she didn't want to be beaten and choked really was asking for it.
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Isn't part of the point that what he did couldn't be considered consensual under any legal circumstances (I.e. you cannot consent to assault)?
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Seat Safety Switch posted:"no wardens around, gonna shoot me a doe" More like "no warden around, gonna kill moose until I find one that I like" and it takes them fifteen dead moose to find it. Or some guy plugs eight [forest herbivore] and then calls everyone he knows with a tag out to make it 'legal'.
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It's not assault if she liked it
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flakeloaf posted:I put more stock in her statement today that she didn't consent to being treated that way at the time than I put in his lawyer's allegation that things she said after the fact could be taken to mean that she did That's exactly it. It would have really helped the prosecution if Lucy had mentioned those notes before seeing the first witness shredded in cross examination. I think he's guilty but I don't think her testimony is going to help prove that. Hopefully the next witness is better but it sounds like she remembered some stuff today too.
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Cultural Imperial posted:wow that's racist who are you to judge chinese traditional medicine "chinese traditional medicine" ie. Shoot an elk, and leave it to rot in the woods.
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Black Bones posted:
Given this is the Ghomeshi trial, I hope it was a power tool with a dildo on the end.
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It was a power saw without a blade.
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flakeloaf posted:No. Assault is by definition an unwanted touch, but you can definitely consent to someone hitting or choking you. Really? I'd always heard that, with relation to things like BDSM, you actually could not consent to being hit, legally speaking. I think it's a difficult subject, because obviously the ability to consent to assault could be used to cover up abuse, but on the other hand I don't think consensual behaviour between people of sound mind should be illegal unless it causes serious injury. I'm actually interested in this: can anyone cite a Canadian precedent either way?
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Now you've got me thinking about it too, and it turns out I'm pretty much dead wrong.R v Welch 1995 ON CA posted:http://www.canlii.org/en/on/onca/doc/1995/1995canlii282/1995canlii282.html "R v AJ 2008 ON CJ 195 posted:http://www.canlii.org/en/on/oncj/doc/2008/2008oncj195/2008oncj195.html?searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAPY29uc2VudCBjaG9raW5nAAAAAAE&resultIndex=6 I was extrapolating from the "You can consent to a surgeon cutting into you and a boxer can consent to being punched in the face, so therefore..." but numerous courts have explicitly disagreed with that thinking. Even if you both agree you consented to being choked unconscious or being beaten during sex, judges have said that this consent literally doesn't count and the person who beat you is guilty anyway. I learned a thing today; thanks PT6A! flakeloaf fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Feb 6, 2016 |
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PT6A posted:I'm actually interested in this: can anyone cite a Canadian precedent either way? There was a UFC in Toronto.
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Ikantski posted:There was a UFC in Toronto. Fair point. I wonder if martial arts are covered separately from, shall we say, domestic situations. Any kind of MMA or boxing competition has doctors on-site and is being observed by arguably neutral observers, so I think it's a completely different situation anyway. Unfortunately, I think this is a situation where someone always gets hosed over, no matter what you do. Either you end up protecting abusers, or you end up prosecuting people who were legitimately involved in consensual striking (or whatever you want to call it).
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Notwithstanding that MRAs and their stupid ideas about "rape by regret" can all gently caress off, such a thing has been spotted in this country: Remember that woman who let her husband render her unconscious and then have sex with her getting mad at him later and having him charged? That's your zebra-unicorn, folks. Ghomeshi's an ordinary horse.
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PT6A posted:Fair point. I wonder if martial arts are covered separately from, shall we say, domestic situations. Any kind of MMA or boxing competition has doctors on-site and is being observed by arguably neutral observers, so I think it's a completely different situation anyway. A competition does and is monitored by the athletic commission. There are lots of mma and boxing gyms where people spar with no supervision very legally. That's the comparison that usually gets drawn.
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They've both agreed that the I'm not getting in your face here, I honestly do want to know because I clearly don't understand it and I like ending the day smarter than I was when it started  quote:Remember that we like to think that a dozen guilty people go free before a single innocent person is found guilty in our criminal justice system. This is why we have "proof beyond a reasonable doubt". Is it reasonable that someone who was assaulted would then turn around and send bikini pictures to the person that assaulted her? . On the other hand, stress is a normal reaction to an abnormal situation and everyone reacts differently to it. My knowledge of the intricacies of case law is pretty pitiful but I know enough about victims to know that trying to crawl inside their heads is a crap shoot. The objective reasonableness of her actions is wiiiiide open to interpretation and who knows how the judge is going to take that. Her inconsistent statements create problems that are a lot easier for layfolks to predict; they demand answers and they raise doubt. That's the defense's job, and he's quite entitled to be asking those questions. Somebody fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Sep 9, 2022 |
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Seat Safety Switch posted:I haven't heard of the increased poaching before, is that just like casual "no wardens around, gonna shoot me a doe" or more professional stuff? http://m.metronews.ca/#/article/news/calgary/2014/02/04/illegal-grizzly-bear-slayings-soar-in-2013-alberta-officials.html Looks professional, bear gall bladders are a traditional medicine thing. This happened after the 2012 budget slashes for park funding and there were mass layoffs of park employees, including wardens. Poaching is often found areas that aren't under federal protection, but with the lack of wardens to protect the park grizzlies, it just opened up way more opportunity to exploit different populations in remote areas where they're less likely to get caught.
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