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Some advice I heard from I don't know where, but it reflects a bit that kastein said: Never break more than one law at a time. Speeding? Better not be holding anything. Got some pot in the car? Don't loving speed. So on and so forth. And play dumb. "Do you know why I pulled you over?" "No I do not." Compared to: "Do you know why I pulled you over?" or "Do you know how fast you were going?" "Yeah, I was going a little fast." or "Yeah, I missed that stop sign." Bam. Admission of guilt and now you are theirs to torment.
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kastein posted:
This is the absolute truth on 95, 90, and 93 as far as I am concerned. You can drive at nearly any speed as long as you signal, maintain your lane position, and move over well before the Statie is on your rear end. On 90 I was doing at least 80 in the left lane at one point... I saw headlights gaining on me and moved over and they blew by me at probably 100 and never looked at me. I still do about 10 over even late at night tho, because anybody doing the limit is obviously drunk and trying to hide. I worked from home today just because I refused to deal with snow and Massholes at the same time.
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Feb 6, 2016 00:26
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Boaz MacPhereson posted:Some advice I heard from I don't know where, but it reflects a bit that kastein said: Maybe me? That is old public defender wisdom.
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Feb 6, 2016 00:35
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just remember the two four magic word phrases: I do not consent Am I being detained 
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Feb 6, 2016 03:15
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Wild EEPROM posted:just remember the two four magic word phrases: Their not magic, but if they do say yes and give you a reason then you tell them you are no longer talking to them. And really you should at that point remain 100% silent. Don't talk to them at all, don't say yes or no. Be compliment if they order you to move and don't resist if they arrest you, but don't let them build a case around you for free.
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Feb 6, 2016 05:15
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The problem I have with this advice is that if you weren't in a bad situation you may have just turned it into one. Like Kastein I'm polite, try not to give them anything to be jumpy about, and so far it's mostly worked out for me. I've been pulled over a total of 5 times and been ticketed twice, once for speeding (which I completely deserved) and once for rolling through a stop sign (which I didn't). I feel like if I had taken such a defensive stance I might have gotten more tickets instead of warnings. That said, I'm a mid 30s white dude with a decent looking car that's never contained any illicit substances, so that probably helps. Disgruntled Bovine fucked around with this message at 06:03 on Feb 6, 2016 |
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Feb 6, 2016 06:00
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KozmoNaut posted:In my ~12 years of driving 20,000km/year, I haven't been pulled over even once. I thought you lost your license for hooning around on your motorcycle a while back?
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Feb 6, 2016 09:01
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I've had a cop come up behind me with his brights on, started blinking them, and then finally turned on his police lights. I mean I did go through a tiny town in the UP of Michigan with my brights on, but literally no one was coming or going my way (I turned them off as soon as he came up behind me). After being blinded my him, he was helpful to mention I almost ran into a railing while he was pulling me over. Thanks, dude.
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Feb 6, 2016 09:22
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Disgruntled Bovine posted:That said, I'm a mid 30s white dude with a decent looking car that's never contained any illicit substances, so that probably helps. Meanwhile when I've been in the car on my own I've blasted past cop cars at well over the limit and they haven't given a single gently caress. The difference is so ridiculous I think "if I was black, I'd be hosed right now" every time it happens. Car didn't matter either - boss drove a new-model Mercedes, I was stopped in a Mondeo, and I've blown past cops without a glance in a 6 series and a Focus ST. This was in England, though, so we were never at risk of being shot and the cops were generally nice when they found out we weren't burglars.
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Feb 6, 2016 09:33
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Sagebrush posted:I thought you lost your license for hooning around on your motorcycle a while back? That was riding my motorcycle, totally different (Yeah, I had repressed that memory. Cop was really friendly about the whole thing, though)
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Feb 6, 2016 09:50
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I get stopped by the cops all the drat time here in our socialist european paradise and they never have anything on me, not even a warning. But they always check all the papers and have me do an alcohol test. Luckily no one ever asked for the loving first aid kit, at least. In contrast, I got pulled over in Florida once in the middle of the night for having no lights on. The cop just asked me if it was a rental car, told me to turn them on and sent me on my way. It helps being white, I assume. ratbert90 posted:The general rule is: "Don't talk to cops." Ever. They are building a case against you. Note that "You're missing your ticket quota" isn't a good answer either
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Feb 6, 2016 11:53
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I know a guy that used to drive politicians around for the government, I'll have to ask if he's got any funny being pulled over stories "Do you know why I stopped you? Because I was doing 80 in a 30 zone in a gigantic black Mercedes limo with diplomatic flags?"
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Feb 6, 2016 15:00
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Cakefool posted:I know a guy that used to drive politicians around for the government, I'll have to ask if he's got any funny being pulled over stories Around here, those get police escorts everywhere and the common people just have to get the gently caress out of the way. Traffic in Copenhagen around COP15 in 2009 was absolutely horrendous with all those self-righteous cunts being escorted around by an unreasonably large portion of the Danish police force.
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Feb 6, 2016 15:05
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I feel so sheltered with the polite cops around here. Last year my girlfriend and I were in a parking space at the edge of the woods, middle of the night, smoking weed. Suddenly a car turns into the lot and puts an insane amount of lights in my face. I recognised the shape of the light bar, so I rolled down the window and just politely told them what we were doing. They checked our paperwork, told me to not drive under influence and left it at that. Another time I got pulled over into a traffic checkpoint where they were training cadets. I interrupted the cadet checking my papers and stuff that he should call me sir and be as polite to me as I was to him. The training officer agreed. I get that the horror stories in the news and on the internet are just that, but I rarely hear crap like that about the cops here. More often it's the exact opposite and the complaint is the impotence of the cops.
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Feb 6, 2016 16:26
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Deedle posted:I feel so sheltered with the polite cops around here. Where is "here?" I think if you're anywhere in the US, you're the exception, not the rule.
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Feb 6, 2016 16:29
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Turns out an effectively for-profit police system with a bunch of dudes who learned human interaction while serving in Iraq or Afghanistan doesn't make for a great experience.
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Feb 6, 2016 17:21
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GutBomb posted:Where is "here?"
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Feb 6, 2016 17:32
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:It cannot be overstated how important this is. I'm a white guy that used to work for a small production company that catered mostly to black audiences, which often meant travelling to locations in a car full of black guys. The amount of times we were stopped was insane. The only time I've been pulled over myself was driving a black friend home after a night out. Driving the speed limit, playing by the rules, cop passes us, clocks us, turns around, blue lights in the rear view, lots of questions about what we were doing there, who we knew in the area, etc. Not to say that there isn't a problem with profiling in the UK, but I can't help but think that 'car full of under 25s' is perhaps the reason why you were getting pulled, compared to you being on your own.
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Feb 6, 2016 17:49
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I have received 3 tickets in the past and the treatment I received from officers for driving a red Honda Prelude and being in my early 20's is ridiculous. The two worst times involved the officers accusing me of texting (my phone never leaves my pocket in the car), and were extremely rude and belligerent. For example, one time I was pulled over and there were two cops in the car. The one on the passenger side didn't use his flashlight and it was at night so I didn't see him. So while I had my driver's side window open, they screamed at me to open the passenger side window too. I was polite the whole time (no sir, yes sir, apologized and thanked them for their time, etc) and had my license and registration ready to go, and even then they were antagonistic and rude. This was in my parent's neighborhood which was pretty full of spoiled kids, so I guess I don't blame them. It's still overkill, though.
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Feb 7, 2016 01:58
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every time i speed past a cop with no repercussions it reminds me of how much of an advantage i have being white :/
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Feb 7, 2016 04:16
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spog posted:Not to say that there isn't a problem with profiling in the UK, but I can't help but think that 'car full of under 25s' is perhaps the reason why you were getting pulled, compared to you being on your own. I don't know. I learned what white privilege is when I had a (black) friend visiting for a while, and he said he wanted to head downtown while I was at work, and I said "sure, just borrow my car." He kind of looked at me funny and said "...actually, I thought I'd just take the train." Took me a while to realize that he was doing that because -- obviously, in retrospect -- a single young black man who gets pulled over driving a car that isn't his doesn't get the benefit of the "yeah, officer, my friend said I could borrow it" doubt, or even a phone call to the owner to prove it. He's getting arrested until it's sorted out. And he's several times as likely to get pulled over in the first place, so it's just a bad idea all around. It kind of blew my mind. A real learning experience.
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Feb 7, 2016 06:19
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:every time i speed past a cop with no repercussions it reminds me of how much of an advantage i have being white :/ every time i speed past a cop with no repercussions it reminds me of how much of an advantage i have being white and driving a station wagon invisibility cloak!
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I was taking to a friend who used to work for Customs at the northern border and he said he tries not to let people he meets know about that job. He said people will loudly and intensely complain to him about the one time they got their trunk looked in. I told him that's the ultimate example of unacknowledged white privilege. White people getting steaming mad because they're the random check that the officer has to do routinely.
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waffle iron posted:I was taking to a friend who used to work for Customs at the northern border and he said he tries not to let people he meets know about that job. He said people will loudly and intensely complain to him about the one time they got their trunk looked in. I've never had a problem with customs officers even when they've torn my poo poo apart. I'm not trying to hide anything, and I always declare anything I'm obligated to declare with the expectation that I'll have to pay duty for certain things. What I really hate is when the rear end in a top hat in front of me in the cashier line is bitching about having to pay $10 for their bottle of rum they won at the resort. gently caress off, and either pay the money or surrender your cheap bottle of booze; I'm about to pay a few hundred dollars in duty and I'm not going to whine about it like a petulant child. I just want to get to where I'm going!
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Feb 7, 2016 18:28
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VacaGrande posted:every time i speed past a cop with no repercussions it reminds me of how much of an advantage i have being white and driving a station wagon If I ever rob a bank I'm going to use a station wagon or a soccer mom minivan as a getaway vehicle because they wouldn't even think of searching those and there'd be plenty of room to stash all the cash and other incriminating stuff in the odd chance anyone actually gets the crazy idea of pulling over a white guy.
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Feb 7, 2016 19:27
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FreudianSlippers posted:If I ever rob a bank I'm going to use a station wagon or a soccer mom minivan as a getaway vehicle because they wouldn't even think of searching those and there'd be plenty of room to stash all the cash and other incriminating stuff in the odd chance anyone actually gets the crazy idea of pulling over a white guy. When the heist is happening, make sure your vehicle looks like a Hummer or Escalade and then drive into a suburban neighborhood and change into a minivan. https://youtu.be/GhOHKCM6ZJw
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CharlieWhiskey posted:When the heist is happening, make sure your vehicle looks like a Hummer or Escalade and then drive into a suburban neighborhood and change into a minivan. Pfft what is this garbage, car sperg babies his paint, totally cool with bringing a thermos full of coffee into the car. What a poser.
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Feb 7, 2016 20:56
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mungtor posted:This is the absolute truth on 95, 90, and 93 as far as I am concerned. You can drive at nearly any speed as long as you signal, maintain your lane position, and move over well before the Statie is on your rear end. On 90 I was doing at least 80 in the left lane at one point... I saw headlights gaining on me and moved over and they blew by me at probably 100 and never looked at me. I still do about 10 over even late at night tho, because anybody doing the limit is obviously drunk and trying to hide. Definitely the truth. if it's light out and in clear/dry conditions and I'm paying extra attention to each car thats around me/way ahead/approaching behind I more or less treat those roads like the autobahn and try to place myself between the clusters of vehicles whenever possible. of course with the amount of left lane whores on each of those roads that means you never really end up going too fast, but I have no reservations about going along much of the time at a consistent 80-90 - especially during light traffic hours. I can't believe some of those speed limits are still 55 and there's not a single 70 or 75mph in the whole state...of course this isn't because some of those roads are not designed for it either.
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Feb 8, 2016 03:00
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A guy in my building habitually drives off with his passenger-side mirror folded in. The stupid part is that that's the side towards the sidewalk, so he doesn't even need to fold it.
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Feb 8, 2016 10:59
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VacaGrande posted:every time i speed past a cop with no repercussions it reminds me of how much of an advantage i have being white and driving a station wagon I had to drive across the state (NY) for work last week, and we took a grey Ford Fusion with special NYS plates. I was floored how many people would zoom up behind me, see "grey ford with state plates" and then come to a screeching halt behind me to show just how good of a driver they were. It was like you could hear them strain to think and go "Is that a trooper?"
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Feb 8, 2016 18:30
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bolind posted:A guy in my building habitually drives off with his passenger-side mirror folded in. The stupid part is that that's the side towards the sidewalk, so he doesn't even need to fold it. You'd think so, but I've had my sidewalk-side mirror broken off in the past.
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Shampoo posted:I had to drive across the state (NY) for work last week, and we took a grey Ford Fusion with special NYS plates. I was floored how many people would zoom up behind me, see "grey ford with state plates" and then come to a screeching halt behind me to show just how good of a driver they were. It was like you could hear them strain to think and go "Is that a trooper?" People who freak out about cars that match a specific style of cruiser are kinda funny too. Easiest way to tell if it's a cop or not is usually the plate, otherwise some of the other accessories are a dead giveaway (spotlight, antennas, etc.) but people pay so little attention to that stuff, which says a lot about your run of the mill everyday driver.
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Feb 8, 2016 20:50
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This has been parked in this spot for over a year now: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.7799604,-88.1961493,3a,75y,143.76h,79.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZtI1gYAGhzNonAqNTA6_Nw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 I drive past there late at night a couple times a month and it gets me almost every loving time, owner is either brilliant or a giant dick for doing it.
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It's doubly great because there's a speed limit sign right there, and the sign in front of the building looks like it blocks LOS on the car until you're close.
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Feb 8, 2016 21:04
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Ozz81 posted:People who freak out about cars that match a specific style of cruiser are kinda funny too. Easiest way to tell if it's a cop or not is usually the plate, otherwise some of the other accessories are a dead giveaway (spotlight, antennas, etc.) but people pay so little attention to that stuff, which says a lot about your run of the mill everyday driver. Here in PA there's no front plate, and most cruisers that aren't fully marked have nothing suggesting they're cruisers on the outside other than the tint hiding the LED strips on the tops of the windows. Even the plates are just regular plates, not municipal plates like on a cruiser. Like this:  Also now that I'm thinking of it, one of the local suburbs, maybe Scott Township, has a stealth-fully-marked SUV with window LEDs instead of a light bar. Unless you're looking at it up close and at the right angle, it looks just like a regular black Ford SUV, but at night with light on it or up close you can see it has the full township regalia on it, just in a black vinyl with just a touch of metal flake look to it. So it looks like this, but all black on black: 
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Feb 8, 2016 23:29
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xzzy posted:This has been parked in this spot for over a year now: This one got me nearly every time I went past. Steep turning hill, no visibility, and suddenly there's a black and white Crown Vic right in front of you. https://www.google.com/maps/@/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1szrjcZ22BDDo7sMNytM-mDA!2e0 Never met the owner but I appreciate his sense of humor. Parked there for years, and probably still is.
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Commuting home from work I'm passing an on-ramp that feeds onto the highway into its own third lane. This is near where half of my rants in this thread come from, when I mention a three lane highway. There's probably an eighth of a mile of solid white line after the on-ramp ends and the third lane starts, I was passing the end of the on-ramp in the right lane of the two lanes it meets, when a car merging decides he needs to be in the middle lane RIGHT NOW and just jerks sideways across the solid white line, about 6' in front of me. I tapped my horn at them just to make sure they actually saw me on my bright red motorcycle, in day-glo yellow gear, before they did something else stupid... and they stood on their brake and flipped me off. Nobody in front of me for a good distance before they merged in front of me, nobody was in front of them, the left lane was clear for a ways too, so I simply did what anyone with my power to weight ratio would do when faced with an idiot in an econobox - I changed lanes and disappeared.
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xzzy posted:This has been parked in this spot for over a year now: For years the IL State Police used to park a derelict cruiser under the Wolf Rd bridge over northbound I-294. Everybody would brake hard when they saw it for about a week, then remember it was a decoy. Occasionally, they would park a REAL cruiser under there and radar hundreds of speeders for their shift buddies to pull over towards the oasis. I always thought that was a dick move.
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PCOS Bill posted:You'd think so, but I've had my sidewalk-side mirror broken off in the past. This particular sidewalk is like five meters wide, but OK, it does happen then. ausgezeichnet posted:For years the IL State Police used to park a derelict cruiser under the Wolf Rd bridge over northbound I-294. Everybody would brake hard when they saw it for about a week, then remember it was a decoy. Occasionally, they would park a REAL cruiser under there and radar hundreds of speeders for their shift buddies to pull over towards the oasis. I always thought that was a dick move. This was my first thought, and, while a dick move, is also hilarious. I do wish police would focus more on dangerous behavior instead of speed traps, though.
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My kingdom for some left lane hog enforcement, too. Seriously, I'd donate a dollar to the charity of their choice for every MVC 89-2 or 89-4B cite written tomorrow if it meant the passing lane was actually usable. Funny thing is, the fine for that is $100... same as a 10-over speeding ticket, and a lot less likely to be challenged since no one can claim the officer's left lane detector was miscalibrated or pointing at a different vehicle. I don't know why it's not enforced, it's a loving freebie. Hell, they could even charge you with speeding and a left lane violation at the same time if they wanted to, because no one actually does the limit on the highway here.
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