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I prefer female vocals in my metal, but I tend toward that 70's throwback doom anyway so it's a good fit and I acknowledge it's not everyone's cup of tea. If I wanted, say, more female-fronted traditional heavy metal I might be in trouble, unless I was okay with assembly line one-rung-from-dad-rock bands like Halestorm.
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Feb 5, 2016 23:32
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Shab posted:I prefer female vocals in my metal, but I tend toward that 70's throwback doom anyway so it's a good fit and I acknowledge it's not everyone's cup of tea. If I wanted, say, more female-fronted traditional heavy metal I might be in trouble, unless I was okay with assembly line one-rung-from-dad-rock bands like Halestorm. You could listen to Chastain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNk-kLq-_3A
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Feb 5, 2016 23:37
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Fiendish Dr. Wu posted:Honestly though, I agree with this. I would like more metal bands with more women in them where it isn't a "thing". Take Huntress for example. Nobody would pay attention to them if it weren't for their singer. Their music is very run of the mill, but she makes it "marketable". Gonna be a lazy boner and just quote a post I made one of the last time women-fronted metal came up. Also should add SubRosa to that list. https://subrosausa.bandcamp.com/album/no-help-for-the-mighty-ones Detective Thompson posted:Mortals. There's is and has always been women involved in making great metal, and if you don't know that, you're either ignorant or being an rear end and not giving it a chance because "girls can't metal!".
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Feb 5, 2016 23:43
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A human heart posted:You could listen to Chastain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNk-kLq-_3A Thanks, really enjoyed this. For the record I wasn't implying there aren't good female-fronted bands in that genre only that it's not rife with shining examples like some others.
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Feb 5, 2016 23:54
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A human heart posted:There's lots actually, it sounds like you(and obviously the guy who wrote that article) just haven't looked very far. Well here's the thing: you're right. I don't actively seek out female metal. I just listen to what I consider "good music" and I don't care who is screaming / playing and instrument. Alot of the bands listed in response to my post are very good but not easy to find unless you're actively searching for it. Vintersorg posted:Just make good music - who gives a poo poo where the words are being barfed up from. This guy gets it.
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Feb 6, 2016 01:00
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Nope, the metal that you listen to quantifies your worth as a human. If you don't listen to what the group identifies as the most brutal and authentic metal you're literally the worst person in history.
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Feb 6, 2016 01:25
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xzzy posted:Nope, the metal that you listen to quantifies your worth as a human. If you don't listen to what the group identifies as the most brutal and authentic metal you're literally the worst person in history.
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Shab posted:I prefer female vocals in my metal, but I tend toward that 70's throwback doom anyway so it's a good fit and I acknowledge it's not everyone's cup of tea. If I wanted, say, more female-fronted traditional heavy metal I might be in trouble, unless I was okay with assembly line one-rung-from-dad-rock bands like Halestorm. Crystal Viper? There's a lot of good female-fronted metal bands - both death metal groups like Abnormality and Estuary, and obviously power metal. Yeah, a lot of female-fronted power metal uses that awful pseudo-operatic style because of Tarja, but it's not all riffless operatic crap. For instance: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs4qhQCgdhA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZVOeTPhgnQ I could gush about this band for days to be fair but  that bass Japan makes a ton of amazing power metal, both male and female-fronted, but Light Bringer are the cream of the crop imo, and Fuki's vocal skill has a lot to do with it. Outside of Japan, Triosphere's vocalist is really great, even if I think they're instrumentally too generic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEuman7EDNk
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Feb 6, 2016 01:35
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symbolic posted:Sometimes I get that vibe from this thread and feel like an outcast when I can't get into the brutal slamming goredeath or whatever someone raves about. I can't really get into brutal death metal but I really love slam, it's odd. Probably because your average slam song is way more groovy-sounding than your average brutal death song.
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Feb 6, 2016 01:36
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In general if you stick to clicking bandcamp and youtube links and ignore all the chat, it's fine. Just sample the music and if it doesn't work for you, move on. 
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Feb 6, 2016 01:38
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Metal is in large part rooted in adolescent male power fantasies and that's always going to alienate a lot of women. Rap has a similar, but somewhat more complex problem. Honestly pretty much every corner of the popular music world has a problem with women in some form or another. Though as far as I know there's no lady in a metal band stuck in a lovely situation like Kesha and Dr. Luke.
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a retard posted:I can't really get into brutal death metal but I really love slam, it's odd. Probably because your average slam song is way more groovy-sounding than your average brutal death song. I'd argue that the point of brutal death metal (at least the style Suffocation pioneered) is that it's so full of twists and turns that you don't have catchy riffs to remember, like with more conventional death metal. So it shouldn't be approached like it's "regular death metal but more brutal". Well-done brutal DM is labyrinthine controlled chaos, which still has a smooth flow of tension and release. The fact that it's generally very atonal means that listening to a bunch of BDM can be a really tiring and monotonous experience, but I do think there's bands in the genre who have interesting melodic styles. Kronos are probably a good starter in that respect since they write explicitly melodic riffs while still having the weird transitions and time changes typical to brutal DM.
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I had no idea Cumbeast finally put out a new album. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyZVfm9Lm1M e: also good BDM despite the stupid name
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Feb 6, 2016 01:54
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I would've thought that when an overweight black woman called Arethra Franklin became world famous for being amazingly talented and singing awesome songs that it would've shown that if your music is good enough and you perform it well enough, nobody gives a poo poo what you are.
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Feb 6, 2016 02:27
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Gamma Nerd posted:For instance: How can you listen to this? I can't even understand the lyrics!   realpost: Thanks for the intro to Light Bringer, this kicks rear end. edit. Speaking of Fuki: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mu2z4Uf9Tgc  God drat Japan, I don't know what to think any more.
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Any time  I posted more stuff from the J-power scene in my Japanese music megathread if you're curious - since it's such a big scene there's obviously a bunch of good bands I forgot to mention, like Albion (another all-female act) and Jormungand (trance synths alert). And yeah DOLL$BOXX are great, Fuki's also in a Touhou cover band if those two weren't enough...
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Feb 6, 2016 03:38
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H13 posted:I would've thought that when an overweight black woman called Arethra Franklin became world famous for being amazingly talented and singing awesome songs that it would've shown that if your music is good enough and you perform it well enough, nobody gives a poo poo what you are.
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Feb 6, 2016 03:46
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Re: female metal artists, I think Kat Katz' vox are amazing- her tracks on Pig Destroyer's latest album were some of my favorites and the new Agoraphobic Nosebleed EP is getting spun like a top in my house https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBngZL0gfec
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Feb 6, 2016 03:59
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fatherdog posted:Metal hasn't even made significant headway on it's problem with loving nazis, so I wouldn't hold my breath about it's problems with sexism going away What exactly is metal going to do about Nazis? Go crash Hot Shower? They're already trying.
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fatherdog posted:Metal hasn't even made significant headway on it's problem with loving nazis, so I wouldn't hold my breath about it's problems with sexism going away Remember that time Phil Anselmo "jokingly" threw a Nazi salute in a recent high-profile incident with solid proof for anyone to access online and the silence was deafening? I mean, I had it on good authority that the silence was deafening from, like, 20 different journalists/articles and a overhyped youtube video that were all jerking off about their bravery in condemning it in a year and place that isn't 1930's Germany.
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Feb 6, 2016 04:33
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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DeusExMachinima posted:Remember that time Phil Anselmo "jokingly" threw a Nazi salute in a recent high-profile incident with solid proof for anyone to access online and the silence was deafening? I mean, I had it on good authority that the silence was deafening from, like, 20 different journalists/articles and a overhyped youtube video that were all jerking off about their bravery in condemning it in a year and place that isn't 1930's Germany. Just because people made a stink about Phil doesn't mean it's not widely accepted. How many metal musicians wear Burzum shirts in publicity photos?
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I don't know. How many?
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To be fair, most power metal vocalists sing in the soprano range so they would be interchangeable with females.
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Omnikin posted:Re: female metal artists, I think Kat Katz' vox are amazing- her tracks on Pig Destroyer's latest album were some of my favorites and the new Agoraphobic Nosebleed EP is getting spun like a top in my house She really needs to something with Steve Austin.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Just because people made a stink about Phil doesn't mean it's not widely accepted. How many metal musicians wear Burzum shirts in publicity photos? lol seriously, it's SO WIDELY ACCEPTED for bands to be openly horrible in the metal scene and still have plenty of people buying their music.
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DeusExMachinima posted:I don't know. How many? Too many.
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Also, lol at people trying to claim that Nazism isn't a problem in a genre where NSBM is common enough to have it's own category.
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fatherdog posted:Also, lol at people trying to claim that Nazism isn't a problem in a genre where NSBM is common enough to have it's own category. Mhm, remember when Skrewdriver was as successful as Metallica in the U.S. or Nightwish in Europe? Phil has a larger audience and is getting rightfully slammed. You can create whatever obscure subgenre you want until there's a law against Nazis picking up guitars altogether.
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DeusExMachinima posted:Mhm, remember when Skrewdriver was as successful as Metallica in the U.S. or Nightwish in Europe? Oh, yeah, I forgot about how NS hiphop and NS trance and NS dubstep are all accepted categories listed on fan websites for those genres. Yeah, it's only obscure subgenres, metal definitely doesn't have a nazi problem.
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fatherdog posted:NS dubstep i'd listen the gently caress out of this
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Feb 6, 2016 06:55
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The fact that Down's losing gigs left and right over Phil's shenanigans shows there's a limit to the racist stuff in metal that actually brings in money. The 1200 one man bedroom NSBM projects from Eastern Europe that might put out 50 copies of their demo tape will remain unaffected.
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fatherdog posted:Also, lol at people trying to claim that Nazism isn't a problem in a genre where NSBM is common enough to have it's own category. Given that the majority of black metal bands and fans are at the very least sympathetic to far right ideas if not actually far right, how do you propose to resolve this problem?
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fatherdog posted:Oh, yeah, I forgot about how NS hiphop and NS trance and NS dubstep are all accepted categories listed on fan websites for those genres.  Nazi punk doesn't exist and you shouldn't bother asking the industrial thread about neofolk because that doesn't exist either. There's nothing anyone can do (or needs to do) about racists with home studios.
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I dunno guys we all like Satan a lot so liking Hitler doesn't actually seem that bad by comparison maybe?
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Also good thing we had a 'girls in metal' tangent because it allowed me to learn about Sacrliege, which I'm digging the hell out of, thanks man.
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Vulture Culture posted:Nazi punk is one thing, but martial industrial and neofolk, despite being scenes with relatively large numbers of Nazi activists and sympathizers, aren't literally labeled "NS martial industrial" and "NS neofolk" in album bins the way that we talk about NSBM. It indicates a completely different level of indifference towards the ideology.
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Oh good, it has been at least two years since we last had the nazi talk in the metal thread. It was just as boring back then. NSBM is a small subset of black metal and is labelled as such to keep it away from the other black metal. The fact that it exists doesn't mean that the "metal scene" (whatever you might think that is) all think that its a great idea to have explicitly neo-nazi metal around. But the thing is, there is no big centralised metal scene that can take collective action. It just doesn't exist and all these people looking at it from the outside and calling to action are completely missing that part of it. Industrial Martial is at this point, basically just a codeword for "neo-nazi" and its a bit like the RAC bands in the 80s that were really more about white power than about being anti-communist. The only difference is that the guys in the NSBM bands don't actually care that people know about their ideology. In death metal you have a band like Arghoslent who write songs about historical racism and then hide behind the historical aspect when people call them racists. Bands like M8L8TH, Nokturnal Mortum and guys Rob Darken and Varg don't give a poo poo what people think and as such don't hide anything. There is no way to get rid of these bands since there will always be labels willing to release their albums and there will always be people willing to buy them.
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