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Niric
Jul 23, 2008

Prince John posted:

Also, are they using 'empirical' incorrectly there?


Of course not! Clearly they're just trying to encourage discussion of Bacon, Locke and Hume :pseudo:

[edit: 5th February, 1770, the aforementioned David Hume writes to a friend regarding the recent resignation of the Prime Minister, the duke of
Grafton: "The last unexpected Incident strikes us mute with Astonishment. Either the Duke of Grafton is much to blame for leaving us so abruptly, in so very critical a time, or a greater than he, if he got any just Cause for it. I carry my View to very dismal Consequences, especially as I suspect the last to be the Case. I fancy we shall have curious Scenes coming, worthy of the Pen of the greatest Historian. I am tird [sic] and disgusted with Conjecture."]

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TACD
Oct 27, 2000

LemonDrizzle posted:

edX has some very good maths courses, and if you're not interested in getting a certificate or chatting to people who are also studying the course, you can usually do them even if the course is nominally 'finished'.

These from MIT might be suitable for what you want:
https://www.edx.org/course/calculus-1a-differentiation-mitx-18-01-1x
https://www.edx.org/course/calculus-1b-integration-mitx-18-01-2x
https://www.edx.org/course/calculus-1c-coordinate-systems-infinite-mitx-18-01-3x

hookerbot 5000 posted:

I thought this was an interesting article about mathematics learning https://nrich.maths.org/content/id/9071/TrainSpottersParadise.pdf

Khan Academy is great, I've been watching videos about divergence this afternoon and I find them to be a lot more helpful than the course materials I have. Saying that the Open University does have a number of free courses through Openlearn which might be worth looking at.

http://www.open.edu/openlearn/free-..._filter_options
Thanks for the suggestions, I'll check them out!

E:

MrL_JaKiri posted:

Calculus is ok, but it's pretty much just learning rules. In real calculus (ie not complex analysis) there's about a dozen things you need to learn and then apply in ever more confusing ways, and because to really get down to the nitty gritty of it involves a whole lot of detailed work (basically everything Weierstrass did) just learning how it worked was never very satisfactory to me.

Something like Algebra (ie, the study of groups, fields and rings rather than the solving of equations) or Number Theory you can get right into the detail of it from first principles, and I find that's both more satisfying and easier to understand because you know why there are exceptions, rather than just being told there are and being expected to remember them.

I would recommend something like DM Burton's Elementary Number Theory (pdfs are googlable) with the warning that it is written as a formal mathematics textbook and so there's lots of technical use of language.

eg.


This is straightforward and intuitive, but if you're not used to reading things like it it can be a bit tough.
Yea, it's very possible I'm coming at the whole situation wrong. Basically I work with a lot of differential equations and I have only a vague idea of what's going on in them, so that's the part I'd really like to get my head around. I don't doubt that learning everything from first principles is going to be much more satisfying and enlightening, but geez... where's my banner ad offering One Weird Trick to Understanding Calculus? (Mathematicians Hate This!)

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Paul.Power
Feb 7, 2009

The three roles of APCs:
Transports.
Supply trucks.
Distractions.

MrL_JaKiri posted:

These are less of a problem than you'd think. There's a giant body of research into mathematics education (that I know a fair bit about, as I know a fairly leading person in the field) and the main issue is that the government doesn't want to do it, partially because the people making the decisions (eg Gove) think there isn't anything more to mathematics than just doing sums.

These are the same people to whom "Teach children to code" means "Tell them how to make a website" because they fundamentally do not understand anything about the sciences.
Yeah, that's fair enough.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

Panama Red posted:

TBF there is no more insidious group of Machiavellian Francis Underwoods than the soapy Lib Dems

Portsmouth politics is incredibly hosed. The Lib Dems are a cult of personality around Gerald Vernon-Jackson and Mike Hancock (who held onto his council seat for seventeen years after being elected to Parliament) and the Labour Party are right-wing shitheels who spend most of their time attacking Corbyn while voting for the Tory minority council's budgets. Which gives the Tories and UKIP a free run at loving up the place.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

MrL_JaKiri posted:

Science is far from cold.


Nobody in the real world has slap fights over which subject is "better", that's pretty much restricted to undergraduates and younger (if anything, slapfights are between different subfields of a field of a subject :v: ).

Your argument is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of what working scientists/mathematicians are like and what they do and think. It's a very popular misunderstanding, certainly, but there was a polemic posted earlier in the thread attacking the core concept of your argument

I think there is a very real attitude amongst some science types that their disciples are much more valuable and have more legitimacy than 'wooly' humanities subjects. That's anecdotal I guess but it is something I've noticed. I've met some scientists who are quite the opposite, but plenty who fit the stereotype. That said much of this is me remembering stuff from my time as an undergrad which probably ties into your other point.

Niric
Jul 23, 2008

TinTower posted:

Mike Hancock (who held onto his council seat for seventeen years after being elected to Parliament)

Sadly that's nowhere near the shittiest thing he's done (see also Private Eye passim.

Paul.Power
Feb 7, 2009

The three roles of APCs:
Transports.
Supply trucks.
Distractions.

ThomasPaine posted:

I think there is a very real attitude amongst some science types that their disciples are much more valuable and have more legitimacy than 'wooly' humanities subjects. That's anecdotal I guess but it is something I've noticed. I've met some scientists who are quite the opposite, but plenty who fit the stereotype. That said much of this is me remembering stuff from my time as an undergrad which probably ties into your other point.
It does cut both ways though, perhaps less so these days but historically there's plenty of (again, anecdotal) evidence about "humanities types" viewing "science types" with disdain (heck, especially when it comes to the portrayal of scientists and science in popular media), and I think some of the disdain you've noticed is a reaction to that. Or maybe they're both reacting to each other in a vicious circle. But then again, you also have people on both sides trying to negotiate a "truce" and stop the spiral, so there may be some hope in there somewhere.

Paul.Power fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Feb 5, 2016

StoneOfShame
Jul 28, 2013

This is the best kitchen ever.
I think we can all agree that business, marketing and management graduates are the worst.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Corporate law too. Although it does siphon all the pricks out of the other law classes.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.

Niric posted:

Sadly that's nowhere near the shittiest thing he's done (see also Private Eye passim.

Yeah, GVJ is incredibly disliked everywhere except Portsmouth because of how he dealt with Hancock.

Milotic
Mar 4, 2009

9CL apologist
Slippery Tilde
So Danny Alexander, the former lib dem treasury minister, has been appointed vice president of the new Chinese led Asian Investment Bank. FT paywall link, not copy-pasting since good journalism is worth paying for. He'll be representing the European countries in it. Osborne put him forward for it, even though he's not really qualified for the job (he has bugger all international finance experience, and it's hacked off some people in China). He'll be one of five vice presidents. It's a bad judgment call on Osborne's part, and I think it'll come back to haunt him.

Apparently he's been knighted. Huh, did not know that.

Pesmerga
Aug 1, 2005

So nice to eat you

Guavanaut posted:

Corporate law too. Although it does siphon all the pricks out of the other law classes.

Depends on the university, in some cases students take it as a 'know thy enemy' thing, and increasingly things like corporate tax are being taught in a 'look at what these bastards are doing' way. A lot of corporate law can be taught in a very critical way.

Lt. Danger
Dec 22, 2006

jolly good chaps we sure showed the hun

Milotic posted:

So Danny Alexander, the former lib dem treasury minister, has been appointed vice president of the new Chinese led Asian Investment Bank. FT paywall link, not copy-pasting since good journalism is worth paying for. He'll be representing the European countries in it. Osborne put him forward for it, even though he's not really qualified for the job (he has bugger all international finance experience, and it's hacked off some people in China). He'll be one of five vice presidents. It's a bad judgment call on Osborne's part, and I think it'll come back to haunt him.

Apparently he's been knighted. Huh, did not know that.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

Galaspar posted:

Is anyone out to protest that RooshV rear end in a top hat tomorrow? Looks like I'll be doing so in London, meeting up with a Facebook feminist group and some veterans from the Anonymous v Scientology campaign (don't worry, no masks will be involved).

https://twitter.com/rooshv/status/694795966046670849

Extreme0
Feb 28, 2013

I dance to the sweet tune of your failure so I'm never gonna stop fucking with you.

Continue to get confused and frustrated with me as I dance to your anger.

As I expect nothing more from ya you stupid runt!


I think people are just going to go to the protest on saturday regardless to send a message.

StoneOfShame
Jul 28, 2013

This is the best kitchen ever.

This is wonderful.

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.

Extreme0 posted:

I think people are just going to go to the protest on saturday regardless to send a message.

Is the message 'we're giving this man exactly what he wants by doing this'?

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

serious gaylord posted:

Is the message 'we're giving this man exactly what he wants by doing this'?

He wants to get laid, so unless I am misunderstanding something I don't think he will be getting what he wants

Extreme0
Feb 28, 2013

I dance to the sweet tune of your failure so I'm never gonna stop fucking with you.

Continue to get confused and frustrated with me as I dance to your anger.

As I expect nothing more from ya you stupid runt!


serious gaylord posted:

Is the message 'we're giving this man exactly what he wants by doing this'?

More like if he comes along he will get his dick kicked in so hard it turns into a vagina.

Or would you rather have no protests and just let him go around being an oval office towards women? Because that seems to be the message you're bringing across.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

JFairfax posted:

He wants to get laid, so unless I am misunderstanding something I don't think he will be getting what he wants
I thought he wants to sell books and his personal brand by drumming up as much status and attention as possible.

Cerv
Sep 14, 2004

This is a silly post with little news value.

Guavanaut posted:

I thought he wants to sell books and his personal brand by drumming up as much status and attention as possible.

seems to have worked because i don't think anyone had heard of the guy a week ago

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Excellent scientific journalism The Mail, keep it up: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...nar-flight.html

look closely at the rocket comparison diagram

Pork Pie Hat
Apr 27, 2011

Milotic posted:

So Danny Alexander, the former lib dem treasury minister, has been appointed vice president of the new Chinese led Asian Investment Bank. FT paywall link, not copy-pasting since good journalism is worth paying for. He'll be representing the European countries in it. Osborne put him forward for it, even though he's not really qualified for the job (he has bugger all international finance experience, and it's hacked off some people in China). He'll be one of five vice presidents. It's a bad judgment call on Osborne's part, and I think it'll come back to haunt him.

Apparently he's been knighted. Huh, did not know that.

Here's the news in the Times. No I didnt pay for it because gently caress Rupe

quote:


Why BeiJing's rival to the World Bank has been winning friends in the City

Yes, but what are you really up to?" That's the question Jin Liqun, president of the fledgeling Asian Infrastructure Investment
Bank, says he is most frequently asked as he travels the world.

'' The official aim of the bank, which was formally launched in Beijing on January 17, is to provide finance to infrastructure projects across Asia. Armed with $100 billion in capital, it expects to lend $10 billion to $15 billion annually during the next five years, with the first loans scheduled to be made before the end of this year.

The White House sees it differently, however, viewing the bank as another attempt by China to build influence across the Asia-Pacific region and weaken that of America and its key regional ally, Japan. It suspects that the AIIB aims to supersede the World Bank, arguing that it will not be a transparent organisation that promotes high environmental and ethical standards in the way that, for example, the World Bank or the Philippines-based Asian Development Bank are formally mandated to.

That latter point may sound risible, given some of the projects and kleptocracies that the World Bank has backed down the years, but America nonetheless applied pressure on all its key Asia-Pacific allies not to become members, notably South Korea and Australia, whose prime minister at the time, Tony Abbott, was lobbied personally by President Obama on the issue.

Britain was also urged not to join but, in March last year, George Osborne announced that the UK would become a founding member. Until then, most members had been in Central Asia and the Middle East, with New Zealand the only western nation to join.

The chancellor's decision broke the logjam, with Australia, Germany and France all following suit soon after. Fifty-seven countries are now members of the bank, along with a further 30 on the waiting list, with China the largest shareholder, followed by India and Russia. Britain is the tenth largest shareholder and, according to reports last week, may be rewarded for its early enthusiasm with the appointment of Sir Danny Alexander, the former chief secretary to the Treasury, as one of five Beijingbased vice-presidents.

A fund manager specialising in Chinese investments says: "Osborne's decision to join was a masterstroke. It was exactly the right thing to do, given the growing importance to Britain of trade with China and the City's desire to become the main offshore centre for renminbi-based trading. It did wonders for Sino-British relations."

Those relations received a further boost last week with a visit to London by Mr Jin, during which he spoke at a dinner attended by more than 120 investment professionals from the likes of BlackRock, State Street, Fidelity, Hermes, Standard Life, Capital Group, Jupiter and M&G.

Fund managers in attendance loved his repartee, which included a couple of risqué jokes and an observation that every woman in China had fallen in love with the actor Peter O'Toole, but were also impressed by his substance. Central to this was a detailed explanation of why the AIIB is not in competition with the World Bank, but a partner, as well as an emphasis on why the bank will encourage "clean and green" investment to counter White House objections.

Moreover, Mr Jin stressed, the bank's unit of currency will be the dollar. He noted that, if China were set on supplanting the greenback, it would surely be using its own. Similarly, in another move aimed at assuaging concerns that the bank will be a vehicle of Chinese influence, the language officially spoken in the bank will be English.

An attempt has also been made to meet US objections over the bank's governance. A special majority — two thirds of member countries representing three quarters of voting rights — is required on important decisions, meaning that China, with 26.6 per cent of the votes, has a veto. However, Mr Jin has promised not to raise the special majority as more countries join, meaning that China will eventually lose its veto.

He might well have added, but did not, that raising the special majority is precisely how the US has maintained a veto at the World Bank over the years. The bank is also hoping that, with China locked in various territorial disputes with neighbours, the international community will also take comfort from its decision to set up tribunals to adjudicate if disagreements arise from the bank pulling funding from a project.

The hiring policy is also noteworthy. It aims to keep staffing levels relatively low by sending employees overseas on a project-byproject basis, recalling them on completion, while also recruiting appropriate experts on a temporary basis. Again, the unspoken contrast is with the World Bank, which is frequently criticised for its bloated salaries and cumbersome bureaucracy, which operates country offices in more than 100 member states.

There is one area, however, in which the AIIB is explicitly taking sides against the United States: accounting standards. Just as China is committed to bringing its own domestic accounting standards into line with International Financial Reporting Standards, the accounting standards used by most of the world outside the US, the AIIB will also be using IFRS.

The US will continue to question China's motivation in setting up the bank. However, if it succeeds in improving connectivity in parts of Asia hitherto untouched by the wealth-enhancing effects of globalisation, few will worry about that. Fewer still should worry about the hugely impressive Mr Jin's determination to run the bank cleanly.

Ian King is business presenter for Sky News. Ian King Live is broadcast at 6.30pm from Monday to Thursday


serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.

Extreme0 posted:

More like if he comes along he will get his dick kicked in so hard it turns into a vagina.

Or would you rather have no protests and just let him go around being an oval office towards women? Because that seems to be the message you're bringing across.

That's not what i'm saying at all. For someone so anti roosh you seem to have no problem at all with shoving things in my mouth.

The man wants attention, and by doing this its resulted in mass protest until hes been 'forced' to call off the trip, which much like his Australian adventure, he more than likely was never ever going on in the first place. All these counter protests will achieve is making his name more well known and give him exposure to the kind of people that would read his books and act on them. The most damage people could do to this twat is by ignoring him.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


serious gaylord posted:

Is the message 'we're giving this man exactly what he wants by doing this'?

No you dolt, it's that rape is bad & that people are willing to actually stand up & say that.

Admittedly that isn't something that should need to be said in TYOOL 2016 but apparently it is.

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namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

serious gaylord posted:

That's not what i'm saying at all. For someone so anti roosh you seem to have no problem at all with shoving things in my mouth.

The man wants attention, and by doing this its resulted in mass protest until hes been 'forced' to call off the trip, which much like his Australian adventure, he more than likely was never ever going on in the first place. All these counter protests will achieve is making his name more well known and give him exposure to the kind of people that would read his books and act on them. The most damage people could do to this twat is by ignoring him.

Actually the most damage you can do is point out that he literally lives in his mums basement, which the world knows thanks to people kicking up a shitstorm over these meetings.

Puntification
Nov 4, 2009

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Doing us proud

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
i'd never heard of roosh v before this week and he has apparently cancelled tours everywhere which gives the impression he was never intending to turn up to any of them in the first place

i do now know who he is like a lot of people though

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid

OwlFancier posted:

Excellent scientific journalism The Mail, keep it up: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...nar-flight.html

look closely at the rocket comparison diagram

lmao

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

So long as that makes you marginally more disgusted at the depths of depravity to which humanity can sink I think that's a good thing.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
The Allies were just giving Hitler what he wanted by fighting him, Mein Kampf is still being sold today.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

OwlFancier posted:

So long as that makes you marginally more disgusted at the depths of depravity to which humanity can sink I think that's a good thing.

it doesn't because its nothing new but the amount of people in this thread who have become really angry and thought about protesting something that obvious makes me have some qustions

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Jose posted:

it doesn't because its nothing new but the amount of people in this thread who have become really angry and thought about protesting something that obvious makes me have some qustions

Hey if people want to get pissed the gently caress off about things that are blindingly obvious but which apparently need repeating, that's not something I'm going to complain about.

It's sort of integral to Full Communism, after all.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
I am okay with Roosh V selling a couple more books to scum if it means rapists and fascists know they're hated and can't organise in public without the threat of getting their heads kicked in.

I want anybody espousing "I should be able to rape a girl on my private property" petrified and unlikely to interact with the outside world.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
the internet does terrible things to communism its true

Puntification
Nov 4, 2009

Black Orthodontromancy
The most British Magic

Fun Shoe

Gonzo McFee posted:

I am okay with Roosh V selling a couple more books to scum if it means rapists and fascists know they're hated and can't organise in public without the threat of getting their heads kicked in.

I want anybody espousing "I should be able to rape a girl on my private property" petrified and unlikely to interact with the outside world.

I want them set on fire personally. I will claim it was satirical after they are dead.

Extreme0
Feb 28, 2013

I dance to the sweet tune of your failure so I'm never gonna stop fucking with you.

Continue to get confused and frustrated with me as I dance to your anger.

As I expect nothing more from ya you stupid runt!


Guavanaut posted:

I thought he wants to sell books and his personal brand by drumming up as much status and attention as possible.

He already got this attention by doing this in the first place anyways due to the press reaction and it isn't the first time he's done something similar in America/Canada.

Hell if his secret codeword bullshit for his MRA buddies to go into a secret place didn't already cause alarm bells to start ringing then his attitude and creepy disgusting anti-feminist actions would eventually cause a crime to happen by him or his followers.

I like to remind you that there was another creepy pick-up pro-rape artist called Julien Blanc who got banned in countries for trying to encourage men in Japan to grope women. There was evidence of him with his buddies just going up to a young women and putting their heads on his crotch as well as harassing and groping them.

This is why these protests happen regardless if RooshV comes or not. It's to show a message that this type of harassment will be meet with severe backlash.

serious gaylord posted:

That's not what i'm saying at all. For someone so anti roosh you seem to have no problem at all with shoving things in my mouth.

Should of been a lot more clearer then if you didn't want people to get the wrong impression.

serious gaylord posted:

The man wants attention, and by doing this its resulted in mass protest until hes been 'forced' to call off the trip, which much like his Australian adventure, he more than likely was never ever going on in the first place.

You do realise that he has in fact been to other states and other countries before with his "Impress women in front of his MRA buddies" right? he's held meetings with the same scum, tell them how to "pick-up" women which is just social enginnering to take advantage of the vulunable. If the video of him getting beer splashed in his face in Canada by a women and then trying to start using a chair against people backing her up isn't enough of a warning sign then how about him and his crazed followers trying to track her down on the internet and posting her personal information on to the web then?

serious gaylord posted:

The most damage people could do to this twat is by ignoring him.

Yea I'm preety sure that worked for Julien Blanc.

Oh no wait it didn't.

forkboy84 posted:

No you dolt, it's that rape is bad & that people are willing to actually stand up & say that.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

Or rather in Gaylord's mind it's, "All that is necessary for the downfall of the MRAs is for people with decency to just do nothing about it."

Puntification posted:

I want them set on fire personally. I will claim it was satirical after they are dead.

Why kill them? It's mercy to spare them the pain when you kill them.

What you should do is amputate their limbs, make them blind & deaf, get rid of their teeth and tounge and let them just be lying in their own psychological hell as all they can do is well...nothing.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
i had never heard of julien blanc either but thanks to your post i googled him. most people have never heard of whoever is getting you outraged but you're giving them good publicity

Extreme0
Feb 28, 2013

I dance to the sweet tune of your failure so I'm never gonna stop fucking with you.

Continue to get confused and frustrated with me as I dance to your anger.

As I expect nothing more from ya you stupid runt!


Jose posted:

i had never heard of julien blanc either but thanks to your post i googled him. most people have never heard of whoever is getting you outraged but you're giving them good publicity

Right and if he didn't get publicity. He would of just gone further with his groping women poo poo.

Good to know that all you care about is publicity first before exposing these assholes for their vile poo poo.

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Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
He'll make a hell of a lot of money that he can't spend in public because he'll always be petrified that somebody will recognise him and out him as a self admitted rape enthusiast.

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