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Aphrodite posted:They aren't trying to kill him now. They're trying to prevent his rise. Fair enough, I hope they more explicitly decide to go in that direction. It makes more sense and makes for a better show.
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Binary Logic posted:That plus the green kryptonite in this episode makes it more than implied. That's true. Wasn't there also a reference to Wayne Enterprises on the newspaper from the future in the first season of The Flash? Hughlander posted:Ray totally has time bullshit upcoming. How did Ray's wife die again? My guess is that he'll try to go back in an effort to safe his wife somehow
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I dont know posted:I thought the dagger he used to cut Hawkman's throat was the same one. I could be mistaken. It was (or at least it looked like it). That's how he was able to do magic blasts with it. Them not taking it was dumb as well as them not taking Savage while he was dying to a place where they could finish him off at their leisure. Edit: Jonny_Rocket posted:How did Ray's wife die again? My guess is that he'll try to go back in an effort to safe his wife somehow
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Feb 5, 2016 22:53
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Jonny_Rocket posted:How did Ray's wife die again? My guess is that he'll try to go back in an effort to safe his wife somehow She was killed in the "Siege of Starling City" from the end of Arrow S2. Its a basic motivator in his introduction and story arch in S3.
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STAC Goat posted:She was killed in the "Siege of Starling City" from the end of Arrow S2. Its a basic motivator in his introduction and story arch in S3. Gotcha. I haven't seen S2 of Arrow in a while, so I had forgotten
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I dont know posted:I thought the dagger he used to cut Hawkman's throat was the same one. I could be mistaken. 
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Feb 5, 2016 23:01
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Maybe I'm crazy but how do we know Savages body will regenerate? It's a magic thing he could probably pop up somewhere else fully formed and the time bandits just end up with a corpse.
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frgildan posted:Maybe I'm crazy but how do we know Savages body will regenerate? It's a magic thing he could probably pop up somewhere else fully formed and the time bandits just end up with a corpse. I forget if they ever owed how he recovered from being ash?
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Jonny_Rocket posted:Gotcha. I haven't seen S2 of Arrow in a while, so I had forgotten I didn't really remember it until Ray mentioned it this episode either. But its the prime motivation for him in wanting to do something about the violence in the city, blaming Arrow for a hand in it, and developing the Atom suit.
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Feb 5, 2016 23:24
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STAC Goat posted:She was killed in the "Siege of Starling City" from the end of Arrow S2. Its a basic motivator in his introduction and story arch in S3. Which as we also remember, were mirukuru'ed soldiers from Deathstroke.
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Feb 5, 2016 23:55
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bobkatt013 posted:I forget if they ever owed how he recovered from being ash? Nope. Merlin took it and nothing in modern day has come of it. But he does show up in the future killing Rip's family, but that's all we know.
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Scyantific posted:You'd figure they'd scoop him up in a baggie or something but nope. Then we would t get DCTV Legion of Doom
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Bad Moon posted:Then we would t get DCTV Legion of Doom Read this as DCTV Doom Patrol somehow and boy did my ears perk up
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Feb 6, 2016 07:06
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Look I don't care about plot holes and continuity errors just keep giving me ridiculous slomo shots of Caity Lotz and Arthur Darvill lookin fly as gently caress set to sweet period-appropriate jamz and I'm in for 5 seasons of these morons trying to kill a guy with some knives
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Man alive is the guy playing Savage miscast. I can't even blame him, he's just totally wrong for the part.
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Narcissus1916 posted:Man alive is the guy playing Savage miscast. I can't even blame him, he's just totally wrong for the part. Should've cast Wallace Shawn. 
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Chokes McGee posted:Read this as DCTV Doom Patrol somehow and boy did my ears perk up
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Overall thoughts on this episode: Snart and his partner are great, Sara is great, Jax and Rip basically bring nothing to the table and Ray, Stein and Hawkgirl are dragging the show down. I liked Ray and Hawkgirl as secondary characters on Arrow and Flash, but here they're just annoying me. If the cast got cut down to Snart and his partner, Sara, Jax and Stein it would be much better. I'd replace Stein with Rip but there's the Firestorm thing, so...Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:Actually, on last night's Arrow, they specifically mentioned that John Constantine fully restored her soul, so she doesn't have the bloodlust anymore. frgildan posted:Why not go back before he gained immortality? Seems like that would be the easiest way to do it. Jonny_Rocket posted:Does the fact that Rip has "seen Men of Steel die and Dark Knights fall" imply that there's a Superman and Batman in their universe? Could be a dumb theory, but it was just a random thought I had howe_sam posted:I like how Rip's the reason his family is dead. Zebulon posted:Now that he has more to do he's putting up a better showing. They're also doing a wonderful job of establishing why he's so dangerous with this episode. He has all the time in the world, and a long memory. Aphrodite posted:They aren't trying to kill him now. They're trying to prevent his rise. bobkatt013 posted:I forget if they ever owed how he recovered from being ash?
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Tiggum posted:
Well, they did name drop Oracle on Arrow. It's possible Bats is around and doing things and it's just not mentioned.
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These guys (especially Sara, who gave the whole speech about hindering foes instead of outright killing them) are having a really hard time capturing and incapacitating this man who just so happens to be immortal. Like, I can get that he has adds, but they have at least four different AoE attacks, one of which capable of CCing them as well as Savage. Worst raid group ever. Maybe the time masters told him that it would take ten episodes to kill Savage and he didn't want to wait that long, so he went rogue but they were right because of time bullshit or whatever.
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Soothing Vapors posted:Look I don't care about plot holes and continuity errors Yeah, that's pretty much me. Throw in some Wentworth Miller snark and I'm good. Tiggum posted:Did I miss this being explained? Because I was confused by that too. I don't think Sara has the magical bloodlust from the pit that like fucks your poo poo up and turned Sara into a feral dog. Constantine cured her of that. Mainly Sara's just damaged. She was dealing with the whole "I'm a bad guy and my first instinct is to kill everyone" thing long before she died and was resurrected. The whole magical bloodlust thing just reinforced that in her mind even if she's not actually suffering from it anymore. That's why Rip's solution isn't "lets go find a magician" its "just get your poo poo together and try to be better." Which is basically the same stuff Oliver and Laurel were saying before she went and died.
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I think it's more that unlike Thea, Sara won't die if she refuses to indulge her bloodlust because of what Constantine did. However, it's very possible that bloodlust is a blanket side effect of the Pit and it was never a problem because the only person using the Pit was a master assassin who killed people all the time anyway.
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I mean, that's a fair point. Maybe the affects of the pit are just more pronounced in Thea than Sara because Thea wasn't a killer before the Pit so the character change is more drastic and Thea wasn't just killing people anyway to satiate the bloodlust. But I don't know. Thea has been more or less effective at controlling her bloodlust, which is why all kinds of magical consequences kicked in. I think even if Sara is suffering from some magical bloodlust its really just an extension of the same poo poo she was dealing with all along. Sara was introduced as the damaged girl who spent years being trained to be a remorseless killer by the League of Assassins. Team Arrow never exactly helped her resolve that before she died and got resurrected. So maybe the Pit hosed her up magically but mostly I feel like it just enhanced the psychological poo poo she's always been dealing with. Sara's always kind of hated herself for being a killer. And its not like she just randomly attacked a bar patron like Thea. She was defending herself against half a dozen trained assassins and maybe lost herself in the whole "kill or be killed" of it all. I think that's just kind of more of what Sara's issue always has been. She's a trained killer who was never taught to hold back, and she's riddled with guilt over that.
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Mortanis posted:Well, they did name drop Oracle on Arrow. It's possible Bats is around and doing things and it's just not mentioned. Seems a bit odd that no one has ever gone "Hey, you're like that Batman guy in Gotham!" or "Apparently Gotham have their own Arrow now, but he dresses up like a bat for some reason?" And if they actually know enough about him to know that his backup person is called Oracle, it's even weirder to have never mentioned him.
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Tiggum posted:Seems a bit odd that no one has ever gone "Hey, you're like that Batman guy in Gotham!" or "Apparently Gotham have their own Arrow now, but he dresses up like a bat for some reason?" And if they actually know enough about him to know that his backup person is called Oracle, it's even weirder to have never mentioned him. We haven't seen all of Ollie's flashbacks from his five missing years yet, that's all I'm saying.
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:We haven't seen all of Ollie's flashbacks from his five missing years yet, that's all I'm saying. How much have they shown so far?
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Feb 7, 2016 04:16
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It was clearly just a fourth wall breaking throw away joke.
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He googled Oracle and as like " poo poo that's the name of a company I can't use that"
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XboxPants posted:Like holy poo poo, in this episode Rip and the team have taken out all the goons and have utterly defeated and incapacitated Savage and have him completely at their mercy. And then the show literally just cuts to the next scene with the heroes back on the ship trying to figure out how to find Savage. What the gently caress? Did we miss a scene? That cut was so jarring and so unforgivably badly written that it has utterly destroyed all interest I had in the show. It was actually bad enough to make me angry at a TV show. I think I'm done, I'm out, no more legends of tomorrow for me.
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CaptainCrunch posted:That cut was so jarring and so unforgivably badly written that it has utterly destroyed all interest I had in the show. It was actually bad enough to make me angry at a TV show. I think I'm done, I'm out, no more legends of tomorrow for me. They know that only Hawkgirl can kill him. They are also trying to figure out a way of stopping his rise of power.
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CaptainCrunch posted:That cut was so jarring and so unforgivably badly written that it has utterly destroyed all interest I had in the show. It was actually bad enough to make me angry at a TV show. I think I'm done, I'm out, no more legends of tomorrow for me. You should probably see a therapist.
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It's not surprising. People don't like it when things don't make sense. The more fantastical and speculative your narrative is -- like with sci-fi and fantasy -- the more important it is for it to make consistent relatable sense. This show set up the ground rules, it established the internal logic, it told us very plainly and very clearly what the goals of its protagonists are and how they should be able to achieve them, but then it's not allowing them to do so out of nonsensical or logic-breaking reasons. What XBoxPants and CaptainCrunch have described is not even the sort of thing that would get past the writing room in Saturday morning cartoons, much less in any other genre of show out there. This is why "It's just a comic book show, don't think about it too much" is just about the worst phrase nerds have managed to come up with in a litany of bad nerd phrases; somehow it's turned "Don't think about the logistics of reincarnated bird people flying around" into the same thing as "Don't think about lazy writing" in people's minds. That being said, I'm still one-hundred percent on board this show because I think it's giving a ton more draws than drawbacks. It bears mentioning that the SNART storyline was really well-done from beginning to end. I was really into the idea that he couldn't change the events of his father's life, not really because of any weird sci-fi rationale like fixed timelines or whatever, but because his father's a piece of poo poo that's going to do the wrong thing and no amount of time-travel can fix that (without also, like, wiping his family from existence).
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bobkatt013 posted:They know that only Hawkgirl can kill him. They are also trying to figure out a way of stopping his rise of power. He's unconscious and helpless at their feet. The dagger is on the floor nearby. They took neither their objective nor the weapon to end him when leaving the room. Very dumb. Aphrodite posted:You should probably see a therapist. Doesn't matter what the discussion is, always some jerk looking to snipe at the other posters. Rude.
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Ordinarily I would agree, but dude, look at this; CaptainCrunch posted:That cut was so jarring and so unforgivably badly written that it has utterly destroyed all interest I had in the show. It was actually bad enough to make me angry at a TV show. I think I'm done, I'm out, no more legends of tomorrow for me. Seriously, have you considered seeing a therapist?
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