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turdbucket
Oct 30, 2011
Is the obese guy who claimed the disability pension because he is so overweight complaining about "welfare fraud"? Lol.

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Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

turdbucket posted:

Is the obese guy who claimed the disability pension because he is so overweight complaining about "welfare fraud"? Lol.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
His disability is autism lol

Birb Katter
Sep 18, 2010

BOATS STOPPED
CARBON TAX AXED
TURNBULL AS PM
LIBERALS WILL BE RE-ELECTED IN A LANDSLIDE

#threeABC posted:

GST hike not in Turnbull Government's tax reform plans, ministers say

Federal Government ministers have told the ABC the Coalition has abandoned the idea of lifting the Goods and Services Tax (GST), but its tax plans may still contain some bold ideas.

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull all but confirmed the decision to take a GST hike off the table, when he said it had not passed the "first test" of delivering economic growth.

Key points:

Ministers say GST hike now off the table
Reports receive mixed reaction from backbench
Government warned to proceed carefully with tax reform

Cartoon
Jun 20, 2008

poop

Laserface posted:

So we should just bail out every fuckwit who gets in over their head? why dont we help gamblers, drug addicts, and criminals?
Yes. Having failed human beings living in the gutter begging lowers everyone's standard of living. We should probably invest a bunch of cash in fixing broken people rather than 'taking them rock fishing'.

bowmore posted:

I'd prefer they go after the corporations that pay no tax rather than the welfare cheats
Unless we changed the system so that corporations pay a flat rate then they will (as I have explained before) simply out invest the ATO in compliance costs and claim it as a deduction.

I wouldn't take too much comfort in Turdball almost ruling out a GST. This is all wind testing in the lead up to the election.

Skellybones
May 31, 2011




Fun Shoe

Cartoon posted:

Yes. Having failed human beings living in the gutter begging lowers everyone's standard of living. We should probably invest a bunch of cash in fixing broken people rather than 'taking them rock fishing'.

That or concentrate them all in some kind of camp :shrug:

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
We got shitloads of internal polling about the GST and Turnbull is just blowing whichever way the wind blows. Most Australians, even Liberal voters think that there should be something done about tax skipping multinationals instead. Ironically, by design this will be similar to the mining tax. :v:

Solemn Sloth
Jul 11, 2015

Baby you can shout at me,
But you can't need my eyes.
Good to see the federal government reaffirming its commitment and support of child self harm.

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Solemn Sloth posted:

Good to see the federal government reaffirming its commitment and support of child self harm.

The Before Times
Mar 8, 2014

Once upon a time, I would have thrown you halfway to the moon for a crack like that.
Centrelink complaints continue to rise, new Ombudsman figures reveal

quote:

New figures provided to the ABC reveal complaints about Centrelink services continue to rise.

The figures, recorded by the Commonwealth Ombudsman, show a 24 per cent rise in the number of complaints about the organisation in the last half of 2015.

This follows an even larger increase in the 12 months before that.

There were 3,896 complaints about Centrelink made to the Ombudsman in the six months to January.

That number does not include the department's internal complaints figures for the same period, which are yet to be released.

Before that, in the 12 months to July 2015, the number of complaints to the Ombudsman about Centrelink increased by 26 per cent.

National Welfare Rights Network president Kate Beaumont said more people were seeking their help.

"We're just getting busier and busier," Ms Beaumont said. "We're also getting lots of complaints about people just not being able to get through to Centrelink."

Government blames outdated IT system

Human Services Minister Stuart Robert confirmed he was aware of the rise in complaints.


Mr Robert said an outdated IT system was a major cause of the problems and an upcoming upgrade would bring relief.

"We're trying to deliver a 21st century offering to a well-educated, technically savvy Australian population — but we're using 1980s IT," he said.

In an effort to fix this issue, the Government will spend $1 billion upgrading that system in the years ahead.

Mr Robert said until that happens he expected complaints to continue.

"With the clunky back end because of the legacy system, I am going to expect to see an uptake in complaints, unfortunately," he said.

Ms Beaumont agreed there were plenty of complaints about connecting to Centrelink online, but she said the problems were much broader than that — and they were getting worse.

"It used to be that something like a claim for Disability Support Pension, people were often told, 'you'll hear in about six weeks' time'. We're having clients now who have got claims that have been in for six months."

'You just feel helpless': Carer

Meredith Ward, who receives a carer payment, has struggled with the agency over a number of years.

Ms Ward works part-time and cares for her two sons — a 20-year-old with autism, and an 18-year-old diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome — who both live at home.

In January 2014, she was told she owed a large debt.

"I received a phone call from somebody from Centrelink just saying, 'you owe us $25,000'. It was an attack on my integrity," Ms Ward said.

It was discovered that Centrelink staff had made a mistake in registering Ms Ward's income four years prior, recording a zero dollar amount, instead of what she had declared.

Having discovered the error, Centrelink investigated Ms Ward — and then confronted her.

"With the first phone call I thought, 'am I up for criminal charges? Am I going to go to jail? What's going to happen?'" she said.

With the help of a free community legal service, Ms Ward won a lengthy appeals process to clear the debt, although more problems have emerged since then.

Ms Ward is fighting a new debt she claims Centrelink has mistakenly recorded against her name.

"You just feel helpless and it drives you crazy, because you think, well, you're trying to do the right thing. I'm not a person who's ripping off the system," she said.

"You're trying to sit on the phone and wait for an hour and a half or two hours to talk to somebody, I mean, it's just overwhelming. You just think, 'I don't have the energy to do that today'."


Nope nothing wrong with the system at all.

open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

How is it that governments are so consistently behind on IT? Why don't they just buy it as a service from someone who actually knows what they're doing?

I mean aside from wanting to make people on welfare as miserable as possible.

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.
I'd estimate it's because IT upgrades are a long term investment and it's easy to justify not upgrading it to save money.

open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

Well that's what I'm getting at. If you outsource it you make it someone else's problem.

Anidav
Feb 25, 2010

ahhh fuck its the rats again
Sunk cost fallacy. If it still boots up why fix it.

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.
Still waiting for SL to reply

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

Man I'm glad those investigators are catching bad eggs like her and then going through lengthy legal proceedings only to lose because Centrelink are incompetent idiots who made the mistake in the first place.

Better hire some more to crack down on this terrible welfare fraud.

kirbysuperstar
Nov 11, 2012

Let the fools who stand before us be destroyed by the power you and I possess.

Huh. My younger brother's found himself in a similar situation, CL suddenly sent him a letter some day saying he owed about $17k because they "paid him too much" and gave 30 days to pay it.

Personally my favorite thing about Centrelink is how their lovely online portal seems to break in new and different ways every time I go to report. Will it hate Chrome this week? Perhaps it'll refuse to take the SSO token. It's always fun!

bowmore
Oct 6, 2008



Lipstick Apathy
The Last Will & Testament Mafia (of The Raven and friends) a mafia game for 15 people has launched!

kicking off after Anidav's game has finished

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

ScreamingLlama: you do the FY after the GM dude, just saying. You're ruining it for the other neoliberals.

Orkin Mang
Nov 1, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
:madmax:

e: p smashed

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

open24hours posted:

How is it that governments are so consistently behind on IT? Why don't they just buy it as a service from someone who actually knows what they're doing?
...
Well that's what I'm getting at. If you outsource it you make it someone else's problem.

It costs a lot of money, more than if you just hired experienced contractors and ran the project in department. Also I don't trust this government to hire someone appropriate like IBM, Accenture or Cognizant. They will put out a tender, and award it to a company that has limited experience but undercut everyone else (hello Serco).

Tokamak fucked around with this message at 04:41 on Feb 8, 2016

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS
Companies with experience probably make lowball offers too and then cut corners to stay under budget.

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

open24hours posted:

How is it that governments are so consistently behind on IT? Why don't they just buy it as a service from someone who actually knows what they're doing?

I mean aside from wanting to make people on welfare as miserable as possible.

My workplace still runs a 30+ year old system for account creation.

If it still works, and you can hopefully find the old greybeards who built it originally, then why change? Except when it is a complete arse of a system and about as friendly as a kick in the teeth

Amoeba102
Jan 22, 2010

They'd outsource it to Transfield, who would make the computer systems unusable and the phone service would be useless. This would force everyone to show up to a centrelink in person, which have all been converted into detention camps.

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS
Even if they did try and make Centerlink's IT function properly they'd be faced with shouty headlines in the Hun complaining about all the money spentwasted on shortening queue times for dole bludgers.

Orkin Mang
Nov 1, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

gay picnic defence posted:

Even if they did try and make Centerlink's IT function properly they'd be faced with shouty headlines in the Hun complaining about all the money spentwasted on shortening queue times for dole bludgers.

hahahaha. :madmax:

:stare:

ewe2
Jul 1, 2009

Government IT is a 3 option, pick 2 problem. They're blaming the infrastructure but it was them who chose the current hardware/software mix back in the 90's when they did the last upgrade, because it was the easiest option (IIRC IBM did a big deal on the mainframe just to keep the business). The next upgrade will be the easiest option.

You've got a huge database doing millions of transactions live for most of the day and you can't simply drop it to fix it. They really need to do a rewrite that is modular and still transactionally safe so it can fail better, but it doesn't solve the massive problem of moving stuff over. Ironically Y2K was the best opportunity they had to fix a lot of stuff and they went with middleware hacked on to the end of the existing db rather than fix the actual db. When it gets out of sync with the main database, thats when glitches happen. And often they have no idea how. But you put it to them to rewrite all of this and verify all the existing data, and see how far you get, $1billion is cheap.

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe
"On Monday McClellan revealed that the conditions were hypertension and ischaemic heart disease. While it would be preferable that Pell fly to Australia to give evidence, McClellan said the commissioners were satisfied doing so would pose a risk to Pell’s health and that his condition was unlikely to improve."

gently caress you Pell. You loving coward.

Les Affaires
Nov 15, 2004

Ruddock is out.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-08/liberal-mp-philip-ruddock-to-retire-from-politics/7149306

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

hooman posted:

"On Monday McClellan revealed that the conditions were hypertension and ischaemic heart disease. While it would be preferable that Pell fly to Australia to give evidence, McClellan said the commissioners were satisfied doing so would pose a risk to Pell’s health and that his condition was unlikely to improve."

gently caress you Pell. You loving coward.

Doesn't sound serious enough to prevent us sending him to Nauru :getin:

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

hooman posted:

"On Monday McClellan revealed that the conditions were hypertension and ischaemic heart disease. While it would be preferable that Pell fly to Australia to give evidence, McClellan said the commissioners were satisfied doing so would pose a risk to Pell’s health and that his condition was unlikely to improve."

gently caress you Pell. You loving coward.

Probably worried he'll end up arrested for ignoring kiddie fiddling in the church or something. At least the current pope seems more likely to be ok with extraditing pedos than any other they've had.

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004

hooman posted:

"On Monday McClellan revealed that the conditions were hypertension and ischaemic heart disease. While it would be preferable that Pell fly to Australia to give evidence, McClellan said the commissioners were satisfied doing so would pose a risk to Pell’s health and that his condition was unlikely to improve."

gently caress you Pell. You loving coward.

Funny how those conditions didn't prevent him from leaving the country.

hooman
Oct 11, 2007

This guy seems legit.
Fun Shoe

Tokamak posted:

Funny how those conditions didn't prevent him from leaving the country.

I look forward to his heart disease and hypertension being totally mysteriously cured the next time he wants to fly somewhere and is suddenly well enough to.

Aresetralian Feb 15:
"The article claims that Cardinal Pell regularly flies business class and spent $US1103 ($1585) on a flight from Rome to London last year."

Good to know his hypertensions and heart disease appeared completely within the last 12 months.

hooman fucked around with this message at 06:16 on Feb 8, 2016

GrandTheftAutism
Dec 24, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Zenithe posted:

It's not big on my radar, but having lived with proud welfare cheats in sharehouses in the past, it actually makes me quite angry that people (not many admittedly) knowingly do this while genuinely needy people are put through the ringer to receive their meager pennies.

Someone who understands. Thank you.


turdbucket posted:

Is the obese guy who claimed the disability pension because he is so overweight complaining about "welfare fraud"? Lol.

You're out of line.


BBJoey posted:

stop posting you loving moron.

make me, dickstain

Recoome
Nov 9, 2013

Matter of fact, I'm salty now.
Yeah totally sucks that I am having difficulty getting my DSP but loving welfare cheats we should crack down on them and make it harder for people to get centrelink!!!!!!

gay picnic defence
Oct 5, 2009


I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

turdbucket posted:

Is the obese guy who claimed the disability pension because he is so overweight complaining about "welfare fraud"? Lol.

How is this a disability and not the consequence of a self inflicted first world lifestyle of decadence and indolence?

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Working at the ACCC the problem with IT upgrades was twofold:

1. Cost of upgrading and keeping upgraded
2. Cost of keeping people trained up when each parliamentary cycle usually meant job or budget cuts

While I was there we went through a process to change the way secure files were stored, it was botched badly and did not have a good user focus at all. If that's the way all government IT is run they're probably better off hanging on to their dinosaur systems.

Halo14
Sep 11, 2001

Uh...

quote:

Veteran Liberal MP Philip Ruddock has announced his retirement from federal politics, after being announced as Special Envoy for Human Rights.

Foreign Minister Julie Bishop said Mr Ruddock's role would include the promotion of Australia's candidacy for membership of the Human Rights Council.

Ms Bishop said Mr Ruddock would be Australia's first Special Envoy for Human Rights.

"Mr Ruddock will focus on advancing Australia's human rights priorities of good governance, freedom of expression, gender equality, the rights of indigenous peoples, and national human rights institutions," she said in a statement.

"Mr Ruddock will actively promote Australia's candidacy for membership of the Human Rights Council for the 2018–20 term.

MysticalMachineGun
Apr 5, 2005

Also I fully support welfare fraud for young people on Newstart to actually have a living wage. The trick back in my day was to list your grandparents address and say you were living away from home to at least scrape a few more bucks together.

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open24hours
Jan 7, 2001

gay picnic defence posted:

How is this a disability and not the consequence of a self inflicted first world lifestyle of decadence and indolence?

Self inflicted disabilities are still disabilities? Once you start thinking 'well maybe it's their own fault they're disabled' and use that as a justification for not helping you're heading down a dark path.

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