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Hello and welcome to another glorious month in a technically livable country on Earth. Unfortunately the ocean has not yet opened up and pulled Queensland into its dark, watery embrace, so I've made you all this shiny new OP. This is a thread in which Australian Politics is sometimes discussed, but mostly food. Is it a sausage sandwich or a sausage sizzle? Is it a bird? What ARE birds? We just don't know. THE PLAYERS The LNP  Not to be confused with New Zealand's best export, L&P, the Liberal-National Party of Australia is a weird amalgamation of liberals, conservatives, and vaguely sentient potatoes. Its erudite leader, Malcolm Turnbull, is celebrated for his success in turning the LNP's polling numbers around while doing sweet gently caress-all to actually change anything. The ALP  Not to be outdone, the ALP has shown its own credentials at doing nothing. Its somewhat literate leader Phil Norton has done even more nothing than Malcolm Turnbull, cementing him as the best leader that the LNP has ever had. The GREENS  Much like the leafy vegetable of the same name, everybody knows that the Greens are good for them, but nobody actually likes them. The ALP seem incredibly salty about the Greens, led by Actual Decent Politician Richard Di Natale, stealing their votes. CLIVE PALMER  Basically Australia's Donald Trump. Or is Donald Trump Australia's Clive Palmer? We just don't know.  There is an irc channel, #auspol on synirc where Australians discuss things, presumably dark spooky things that man was not meant to know.IRC Rules: Dont be a shithead, dont say racist, sexist, or nasty things. Dont discuss verboten topics.
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First for The Australian Sex Party
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Feb 1, 2016 13:18
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I approve of the thread title, I also think the National Radiation Laboratory in New Zealand really screwed the pooch regarding future nuclear programs.
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Feb 1, 2016 13:19
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Graic Gabtar posted:Sorry I couldn't do better Jonah. Does anyone like Jonah? Asking for Jonah.
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Feb 1, 2016 13:21
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Lizard Combatant posted:Does anyone like Jonah? Asking for Jonah. He's better than Amethyst or Negligent? 
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Feb 1, 2016 13:27
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:He's better than Amethyst or Negligent? No way. Negligent sure, but I haven't been paying that much attention lately.
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Feb 1, 2016 13:28
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Redcordial posted:I approve of the thread title, I also think the National Radiation Laboratory in New Zealand really screwed the pooch regarding future nuclear programs. It certainly gave us a lot of ammunition for the NRL thread title this year. Eventually went with a clerks reference.
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Feb 1, 2016 13:28
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iajanus posted:It certainly gave us a lot of ammunition for the NRL thread title this year. Eventually went with a clerks reference. I've never seen or would see the NRL thread as a Melbournian and unfortunately an AFL supporter, but I want to know the clerks referenced title. Edit: I would stray to the sports section for the first time just to witness some clerks hilarity tbh.
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Feb 1, 2016 13:32
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Weather bureaus have changed. They are no longer invisible organisations where avuncular bureaucrats use basic computers to deliver dodgy forecasts. Today’s weather bureaucrats are visible, sophisticated and ideological. But, despite a huge investment in supercomputers, their record for accurate forecasts remains dismal. Their mission has expanded to include climate change advocacy, where agnostics are left in no doubt that significant weather abnormalities are evidence of global warming. They tinker with raw data but give inadequate explanation as to why. Their terrestrial records diverge increasingly with satellite and radiosonde datasets. Confidence in their integrity has been called into question. Today’s bureaus have become climate change citadels. Their records are the repository of the Holy Grail. Regardless of doubts about their accuracy, they are protected. Hundreds of billions of dollars annually, including huge international transfer payments and tens of thousands of highly paid jobs, may depend on keeping records away from prying eyes. Last August, a BBC Radio 4 program called What’s the Point of the Met Office? detailed the British agency’s history of dud predictions and its role as a parliamentary lobbyist. Rather than wait for an official complaint, the BBC issued a full-blown apology for “giving voice to climate-change sceptics” and “for failing to make it clear that they are a minority voice out of step with the scientific consensus”. According to program host Quentin Letts, Roger Harrabin, the BBC’s environment analyst, “went nuts” that the program was aired. Later, several BBC officials were required to undertake online training with a “substantial scenario on reporting climate-change science”. Across the Atlantic, the US house science committee is conducting an investigation into the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, a $6 billion-a-year government weather service, seeking access to internal deliberations around a groundbreaking climate change study. Amid allegations that the NOAA attempted to shape and direct the committee’s oversight, chairman Lamar Smith demanded to see thousands of emails that he thinks will show that by homogenising temperature records, researchers were able to refute claims that global warming over the past decade had paused. He accused the agency of altering the data to “get the results they needed”. Whistleblower allegations say the NOAA “rushed to publication over the objections of numerous scientists at the agency”. The NOAA has refused to hand over the emails. Australia has its own concerns with homogenisation. Blogger Joanne Nova has reported on it for years. Scientist Jennifer Marohasy has been persistent in seeking answers to why perfectly good raw data is manipulated to turn a cooling trend into a warming one. Auditor Ken Stewart studied thousands of Bureau of Meteorology records and demonstrates it has a case to answer. The response is to stonewall and, when information is released, to offer no means of replication. Data is converted into vague probabilities that, when technically correct, are still often meaningless. Weather agencies stand accused of a culture of “snowing” sceptics. When then prime minister Tony Abbott wanted to establish a taskforce to investigate the bureau’s temperature dataset and other related records, the cabinet, Environment Minister Greg Hunt and his department all came to the bureau’s aid by watering down the proposal and setting up a panel approved by the BoM to “strengthen governance oversight”. Hunt said: “In doing this, it is important to note that public trust in the bureau’s data and forecasts, particularly as they relate to bushfires and cyclones, is paramount.” It is good to have friends in high places. Better not to know that the bank’s books have been fiddled in case the market loses confidence. At least American taxpayers have a champion in Lamar Smith, who complained to the US Commerce Secretary that the NOAA’s top officials had “obstructed” his committee’s oversight role. He said NOAA had refused voluntarily and under subpoena to hand over critical information. “It is the end product of exchanges between scientists — the detailed understanding of scientific work that underpins the authors’ findings,” he said. The scientists argue that Smith is setting a dangerous precedent of interfering with independent scientific work. Australian weather officials seem to share NOAA’s views. They reject full transparency in the face of informed criticism of their work. Stonewalling, and appeals to authority, are the defence. In any other field this would be a scandal. Is the BoM’s methodology commercial in confidence or do taxpayers, who pay more than $300 million a year for this agency, have a right to know? Confidence in weather bureaus will continue to decline until the world is finally satisfied through thorough independent investigation and audit that the vital records over which they exercise monopoly control are the result of a scientifically rigorous, replicable process. Nothing has changed since 2009, when John Theon, retired chief of NASA’s Climate Processes Research Program and responsible for all weather and climate research, testified “scientists have manipulated the observed data to justify their model results”. Complaining about lack of transparency, he said: “It is contrary to the way science is done.” Memo to Australia’s Auditor General: There is an urgent job to be done.
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Feb 1, 2016 13:37
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I read a Junkee article today and it was quite a nice definition of our antipathy towards those seeking help, and diffusion of morality etc. http://junkee.com/no-shame-why-most-australians-feel-okay-about-tormenting-asylum-seekers/72827 "Stanford University Professor Emeritus of Social Science in Psychology; Albert Bandura’s theory of moral disengagement so neatly applies to Australia’s treatment of asylum seekers it’s almost as if Howard and his heirs misread the theory as an instruction manual. The theory describes the many ways moral codes can be disabled to avoid the negative feelings like shame and guilt normally associated with behaving immorally. It explains the capacity for human beings to be generally terrible in areas ranging from aggression in children, to approval of violence towards animals, to bullying, cheating and corruption, right up to medieval crusades and witch-hunts, as well as modern genocides. There are four different aspects of moral disengagement, pictured below, and Australia’s managerial elites have diligently upheld them all in their treatment of asylum seekers. They relate to the immoral behaviour itself, the effects of the behaviour, the victims, and the responsibility for the actions. Moral agency is also minimised by diffusion of responsibility, meaning people don’t feel personally responsible when many others are involved. This happens at the governmental level, where group decision-making is at play. Researchers have found that people act more cruelly as part of a group than when they hold themselves personally responsible for their actions. Conversely, where everyone is responsible, no one feels responsible. This process also occurs at the broader population level and is known as the bystander effect; the more witnesses to a tragedy, the less likely any single person will intervene. You and I can enjoy our delicious carcinogenic baby pig sandwiches in peace because we assume someone else will sort out that asylum seeker torture business." "You and I can enjoy our delicious carcinogenic baby pig sandwiches in peace because we assume someone else will sort out that asylum seeker torture business." "You and I can enjoy our delicious carcinogenic baby pig sandwiches in peace because we assume someone else will sort out that asylum seeker torture business." "You and I can enjoy our delicious carcinogenic baby pig sandwiches in peace because we assume someone else will sort out that asylum seeker torture business." Redcordial fucked around with this message at 13:48 on Feb 1, 2016 |
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Feb 1, 2016 13:44
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Redcordial posted:I've never seen or would see the NRL thread as a Melbournian and unfortunately an AFL supporter, but I want to know the clerks referenced title.
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Feb 1, 2016 13:49
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Thanks for that! Good choice too btw. 
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Feb 1, 2016 13:50
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Redcordial posted:Thanks for that! Good choice too btw. There was a disturbing amount of candidates proposed for this year's title. God bless our wonderful game  (needs a dog version)
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Feb 1, 2016 13:52
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iajanus posted:There was a disturbing amount of candidates proposed for this year's title. God bless our wonderful game  works
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Feb 1, 2016 14:00
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*screams externally*
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Feb 1, 2016 14:02
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Jumpingmanjim posted:
Strangely the superleague players manage to avoid having dog loving photos circulated. Must be something cultural that's different. They are smart enough to not document their bestiality....
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Feb 1, 2016 14:02
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Jumpingmanjim posted:
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Feb 1, 2016 14:03
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Hello friends let's hope that something positive happens to us in February It most likely won't, but not all my hope is gone yet
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Feb 1, 2016 14:51
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Spudd posted:Hello friends let's hope that something positive happens to us in February Hey Spudd! Someone was asking where you'd gone in the crew thread :3
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Feb 1, 2016 14:55
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So which Australian sports code/politician is going to be rocked by horrible totally avoidable scandal this month?
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Feb 1, 2016 15:02
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Lizard Combatant posted:Does anyone like Jonah? Asking for Jonah. Jonah doesn't particularly mind either way but Jonah thanks you for your concern
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Daryush "Roosh" Valizadeh, founder of the self-styled men's advocacy group Return of Kings, announced on Twitter on Monday evening that he had booked a ticket on a flight to Australia. "F--- it, I just booked a flight to Australia. See you somewhere there on 2/6. I'll stay a while, see some sights," Mr Valizadeh tweeted with an screen shot of flight options to Sydney, Canberra, and Melbourne. "To all attractive Australian girls in age range of 18-22. I'm coming to your country and am free to meet for drinks," he tweeted. http://www.smh.com.au/national/police-petitioned-to-stop-return-of-kings-meetings-20160201-gmj03r.html#ixzz3yvXnE9kk
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Feb 1, 2016 15:37
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When I was flying I was generally quite impressed with the accuracy of weather forecasts.
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Feb 1, 2016 15:50
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Jonah Galtberg posted:Jonah doesn't particularly mind either way but Jonah thanks you for your concern My thoughts are with the family of Jonah.
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Feb 1, 2016 16:31
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Senor Tron posted:When I was flying I was generally quite impressed with the accuracy of weather forecasts. Yeah weather forecasting days is pretty legit these days. Last year would check the weather pretty much everyday and there was only a couple of days I remember where they would get a forecast noticeably wrong from two or three days out.
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Feb 1, 2016 16:39
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hooman posted:So which Australian sports code/politician is going to be rocked by horrible totally avoidable scandal this month? I believe Ian "Molly" Meldrum is totally not loving little kids over in Thailand at the moment.
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Feb 1, 2016 16:59
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Lid posted:Daryush "Roosh" Valizadeh, founder of the self-styled men's advocacy group Return of Kings, announced on Twitter on Monday evening that he had booked a ticket on a flight to Australia. So another visa for Potato Dutton to cancel then.
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hooman posted:So which Australian sports code/politician is going to be rocked by horrible totally avoidable scandal this month? Apparently scandal is unavoidable for the NRL so I'm guessing the AFL?
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Jumpingmanjim posted:Weather bureaus have changed. They are no longer invisible organisations where avuncular bureaucrats use basic computers to deliver dodgy forecasts. Today’s weather bureaucrats are visible, sophisticated and ideological. But, despite a huge investment in supercomputers, their record for accurate forecasts remains dismal. I wonder which right wing climate change denier came up with this
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Feb 1, 2016 22:32
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Mithranderp posted:Hey Spudd! Hai! I just haven't had anything to post lately but today I start my work for the dole. For some reason they won't accept any of my study done with Careers Australia so it's turned into an argument between myself and my jsp until they get off my case and let me finish my diploma.
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Feb 1, 2016 23:04
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Do the BOM actually keep their data and methodology secret? What data do they want that they can't have?
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Feb 1, 2016 23:21
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open24hours posted:Do the BOM actually keep their data and methodology secret? What data do they want that they can't have? The written confession about climate change being a leftist conspiracy of course.
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Feb 1, 2016 23:26
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"Well they can't predict the weather accurately all the time so why bother at all?"
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Feb 1, 2016 23:30
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Can't wait to hear about the journalist that infiltrates the Rapist Jamboree and ends up in a sad bar with five pasty twenty year olds
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Feb 1, 2016 23:48
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Well it is the OP we deserved. All is poo poo. It is likely to get worse.  The LNP have already started leaking their talking points in advance so they can get extra coverage  It's like watching a depth charge go off in a sewerage farm in high def. slow mo. My only solace is the right can't seem to help picking at their own scabs. So we get to watch all the right wing commentariat rip Clive Palmer a new one while the 'hard right' take increasingly exasperated hay makers at Turdball and Co. Parliament returns today with the only slight light on the horizon being the vague possibility the ABCC legislation gets broadened to a full blown federal corruption watchdog. Which won't happen over a huge pile of ALP LNP dead bodies but that image is at least satisfying. Oh and business confidence is once again in the shitter!
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Feb 1, 2016 23:55
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My friend, who is left wing and somewhat of a feminist activist (shes an amazing and cool person) yesterday said "You know Turnbull isn't that bad" and i think i had an aneurysm please send help e: clarity
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Feb 2, 2016 00:04
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That's actually a genius move on their part. Have Abbott be Abbott for a year then by comparison anyone else looks amazing.
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Recoome posted:My friend, who is left wing and somewhat of a feminist activist (shes an amazing and cool person) yesterday said "You know Turnbull isn't that bad" and i think i had an aneurysm please send help Most Australian "leftwing" people aren't actually left wing at all and are just classical liberals.
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Nah mate I'm in favour of gay marriage and wind farms so I'm obviously a leftist.
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