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Purchase one less F-35, all welfare fraud problems resolved. The issue screaming llama is those who are cheating are doing it carefully and intentionally and it's very difficult to find those people. However the more time you spend investigating, the more false positives you return of people who have done nothing wrong and then are totally hosed by having their money taken away for no reason. The harder you work to stop people "cheating" the higher and harder you set the bar for desperate people who really need help to get it. My university educated friends struggle with centrelink, filling in forms correctly, passing off all the documentation, etc. etc. because of how "hard on cheats" it is, desperately trying to prove every single detail of their lives. I'm sure you can imagine how hard this makes it on people who are mentally unwell, physically or mentally disabled, or simply poor in time or education. I don't give a gently caress about welfare fraud, because out of all the wastes it is firstly a tiny one, the amount of money we as the australian people are losing to it (compared to things like corporate tax avoidance and the f35 is miniscule). Secondly the people who are defrauding welfare who get cracked down on are the loving poor. Who cares if they get al ittle extra money, they have loving nothing and every dollar they get goes straight into the economy anyway, better they get money they aren't entitled to than you cut off people who are entitled to the money because of false positives and they end up broken on the street. This isn't loving hard. Welfare is a pittance and if some people are getting more of a pittance than others who the gently caress cares, it's so small as to be not worth enforcing and merely takes them slightly closer to having a living wage.
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Very few people are "good at IT" (very few people are "good" at any thing they do), and on these huge scales it's far more likely you'll get a poo poo outcome than not. You still have to do it some time though. 
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Feb 8, 2016 06:27
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open24hours posted:Self inflicted disabilities are still disabilities? Once you start thinking 'well maybe it's their own fault they're disabled' and use that as a justification for not helping you're heading down a dark path. I know, this seems a bit different to finding yourself wheelchair bound because of a moment of madness leading to dumb stunt or something though.
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Feb 8, 2016 06:32
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Halo14 posted:Uh... God I hope we get flatly denied for membership. Maybe then it'll start sinking in. Also ScreamingLlama you're advocating for terrible breaches of privacy based on the meager NewStart allowance. I'm not sure where this "you get welfare, therefore the government owns you" idea comes from, but if I pulled a sickie, posted a picture of me catching a movie on my (friends only) Facebook and someone from work reported me for it I'd be well within my rights to claim that as a privacy invasion, and yet I make way more than these poor people who would rather pretend not to be married than lose what little money they get.
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gay picnic defence posted:I know, this seems a bit different to finding yourself wheelchair bound because of a moment of madness leading to dumb stunt or something though. Some would argue that a person who is disabled due to their own fault (car accident while driving drunk, etc) are just as "not worthy" as an obese person. This is a horrendously slippery slope though and in a fair society what should matter is that you are disabled, not how you got there.
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Feb 8, 2016 06:36
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Ditch welfare and just give everyone a basic income with no checks at all. Solve the overhead of a welfare system by ditching it. Just keep disability support around to help those who need it.
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Llama if you guys ever manage to rise from the dead maybe you retroactively add stuff into the GST you pushed through so that it pays for this.
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Feb 8, 2016 06:38
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What time is it? First Dog time? Well, if you insist...
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Feb 8, 2016 07:33
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This Ruddock thing is like some spiteful Tory joke. Also once you you introduce blame into any insurance system which our welfare and our healthcare systems are, you gently caress it up. That's why any sane analysis of healthcare does not advocate higher premiums for smokers. Why stop there? Arrest for non-prescription drugs, bad driving record, plays contact sport - you pay more. It doesn't work.
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Feb 8, 2016 07:43
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Welfare for all those that apply for it imo. Except fatties, they get sent to camps.
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Feb 8, 2016 08:07
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MysticalMachineGun posted:Also I fully support welfare fraud for young people on Newstart to actually have a living wage. The trick back in my day was to list your grandparents address and say you were living away from home to at least scrape a few more bucks together. OK then, if you think breaking the law is completely acceptable, then why don't you just drug-traffick your way out of poverty OH WAIT DRUGS ARE BAD AREN'T THEY
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Feb 8, 2016 08:13
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Birb Katter posted:Ditch welfare and just give everyone a basic income with no checks at all. Solve the overhead of a welfare system by ditching it. Just keep disability support around to help those who need it. Yeah I agree with this, just to be clear I think eating disorders and issues with depression etc leading to someone overeating and therefore struggling with everyday life is a valid disability. It's just that Screamingllama is a moron and arguing against apparent welfare fraud, which is such a pitiful amount to be taking from the government anyway, even ignoring the very small percent of people who do it, while claiming disability for something his fellow welfare fraud crusaders would normally dismiss as a disability is stupid. Also a very fat man telling vegans to go gently caress themselves while apparently packing himself full of factory farmed meats to the point he cannot function properly is gross. if he wasn't such an angry boy telling others how to live i would have sympathy for his fat arse but as he likes to poo poo on how others choose to live their lovely lives then i don't see why we can't call him the fat moron that he is.
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Feb 8, 2016 08:18
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Nah, drugs are awesome. I'm a bit torn on legalising them though because on the one hand it would probably make them cheaper but on the other it would undercut people who sell them to get by on Youth Allowance/Austudy/Newstart.
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gay picnic defence posted:Nah, drugs are awesome. I'm a bit torn on legalising them though because on the one hand it would probably make them cheaper but on the other it would undercut people who sell them to get by on Youth Allowance/Austudy/Newstart. No way. Look how expensive ciggies and piss are.
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Feb 8, 2016 08:20
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ScreamingLlama posted:OK then, if you think breaking the law is completely acceptable, then why don't you just drug-traffick your way out of poverty OH WAIT DRUGS ARE BAD AREN'T THEY gently caress me dead you are stupid...
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Feb 8, 2016 08:26
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ScreamingLlama posted:OK then, if you think breaking the law is completely acceptable, then why don't you just drug-traffick your way out of poverty OH WAIT DRUGS ARE BAD AREN'T THEY Why don't you just work instead of getting welfare?
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ScreamingLlama posted:OK then, if you think breaking the law is completely acceptable, then why don't you just drug-traffick your way out of poverty OH WAIT DRUGS ARE BAD AREN'T THEY You know in the Democrat prayer the "bastards" are meant to be "rich bastards" not "stupid bastards"
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Feb 8, 2016 08:32
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Feb 8, 2016 08:36
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I don't get it. We can either let refugees drown or let them have a playground?
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Feb 8, 2016 08:43
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Is anyone at the Brisbane protest?
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Feb 8, 2016 08:44
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In the choice between refugees drowning at sea and refugees being tortured to death in our hellcamps, I think.. refugees drowning at sea probably. Quick deaths to some, good lives to others seems better than slow deaths to all. Still a false dichotomy like all get out though.
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Feb 8, 2016 08:46
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Jumpingmanjim posted:Is anyone at the Brisbane protest? I couldn't make it this time, sorry!
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Feb 8, 2016 08:48
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"Approximately half of all complaints made to Australia’s windfarm commissioner relate to turbines that have not yet been built, the man tasked with the job has said." hahhahaahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahaa
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Feb 8, 2016 08:52
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Replace the playground image with a five year old being raped by a Serco guard and you'll have a better angle, methinks. Also: ScreamingLlama posted:OK then, if you think breaking the law is completely acceptable, then why don't you just drug-traffick your way out of poverty OH WAIT DRUGS ARE BAD AREN'T THEY hooman posted:hahhahaahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahaa
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Feb 8, 2016 08:53
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hooman posted:"Approximately half of all complaints made to Australia’s windfarm commissioner relate to turbines that have not yet been built, the man tasked with the job has said." Is he actually going to stop them from being built or is it just a token gesture to keep the LNP nutjobs happy?
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Feb 8, 2016 08:54
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Hmm i guess I choose the empty playground because gently caress the brown people
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Feb 8, 2016 08:55
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Ohhh i get it now. It's saying that if the refugee children are allowed to stay on the mainland then there'll be more boats and therefore more deaths at sea. I'm not sure how that argument is meant to appeal to the anti-refugee voter though. Surely more dead brown people would be a plus to them.
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thatfatkid posted:Ohhh i get it now. It's saying that if the refugee children are allowed to stay on the mainland then there'll be more boats and therefore more deaths at sea. I think they see death as the humane (and therefore less preferred) option compared to rape and malaria on some tropical shithole of an island.
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MysticalMachineGun posted:Replace the playground image with a five year old being raped by a Serco guard and you'll have a better angle, methinks.
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Oh right sorry it wasn't a 5 year old boy, the allegations of sexual harrassment was from a 10 year old boy. Thanks for clearing that one up, Minister
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SuddenCactus posted:Didn't you hear? It was a Greens/ABC/Refugee advocate lie! http://www.skynews.com.au/news/national/2016/02/08/department-says-5yo-rape-victim-doesn-t-exist.html Well that's pretty good
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A sub-human piece of filth posted:'This is not an easy issue to manage, but it has to managed with a very cool head and a very big heart,' he told reporters in Canberra. A sub-human piece of filth posted:'If we give those people smugglers any marketing opportunity, let me tell you they will use it and there will be more deaths at sea, more children put at risk.' Lives that were never put at risk in returning the 23 was it, boats? Oh wait a bunch of people died, in a big hearted kind of a way. gently caress You Michael, gently caress You.
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Feb 8, 2016 09:35
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I just read the comments on the Daily Telegraph facebook page about this story and now want to die.
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MythLisp posted:I just read the comments on the Daily Telegraph facebook page about this story and now want to die. Vale MythLisp. Here have something dumber: A Fuckhead posted:If David Morrison had any honour, he’d resign Wont somebody think of the sexual abusers! hooman fucked around with this message at 10:18 on Feb 8, 2016 |
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Feb 8, 2016 10:12
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Solemn Sloth posted:The ten year old was probably asking for it ABC are now reporting that the source is saying that the 10 year old was raped and that the 5 year old was sexually assaulted. So when they say it wasn't a 5 year old and it was just sexual assault they're not lying per say they're just conflating two cases to muddy the waters when they say it.
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Birb Katter posted:ABC are now reporting that the source is saying that the 10 year old was raped and that the 5 year old was sexually assaulted. So when they say it wasn't a 5 year old and it was just sexual assault they're not lying per say they're just conflating two cases to muddy the waters when they say it. Oh wow, CONSCIENCE CLEARED! Send those kids back! Phew
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I think I found the reason why they're not so worried about kids being raped on Naru whilst in our care. #thei'reABC posted:Reported rape of six-year-old girl categorised as 'minor', Child Protection Systems Royal Commission hears
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Oh so she was just raped a little bit. Cool.
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