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Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.

RBA Starblade posted:

A rookie just threw a grenade through a wall, breaking it, to blow up a sectoid. Nice work rookie.

This happens to me all the time. Alien face in the HUD becomes yellow, all the cover blows up as soon as the grenade is thrown/launched and the explosion goes off a couple good seconds after the throw.

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Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here

ZenVulgarity posted:

Sounds like someone should be making a character pool to share. :colbert:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5xvwJtNpSVzajhJM3dHbFpfQTQ/view

Hopefully that link should work. Lots of random characters I just kind of spontaneously made, and some that was inspired from this thread.


Hopefully someone will be able to mod the character creator to be more flexible with the colours/etc. It's impossible to make a decent Commander Keen as it is. :arghfist:

madmac
Jun 22, 2010
I haven't really messed around with the AWC yet, how does the skill training thing work? Do I have to have a unit assigned to the building when they get promoted to learn a rando skill? Because that kinda sounds like a pain to juggle.

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

Gyshall posted:

SMGs own on rangers

e: Shotguns do too, but I like having range on a few of them.

The SMG has the same range penalty as the shotgun.

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here

Tenzarin posted:

My last restart on legend I flawless'd the tutorial. There's a huge amount of luck to it like having 2-3 pods stuck on the statue or really lovely pod spawns in general.

I dropped down to commander last night to see how much easier the game is and holy poo poo only 2 pods on the tutorial? And pod size is now 2 enemies? LOL

The pod size in the tutorial on commander is most definitely 3, I can guarantee you that. There's only 2 pods though, sounds fun if there's more on Legendary.

Broken Cog fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Feb 8, 2016

Fajita Queen
Jun 21, 2012

Where are SMGs? Do I have to research something for them, and if so that seems kinda dumb.

Speedball
Apr 15, 2008

The Shortest Path posted:

Where are SMGs? Do I have to research something for them, and if so that seems kinda dumb.

They're a mod weapon. They do slightly less damage but boost your mobility, so you get flanking shots more.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead
Difficult Retaliation -> Very Difficult Supply Raid while the Avatar clock is ticking. :geno:

Fortunately I haven't hit the blacksite yet so if too many dudes get mauled on the supply raid I can just whack that instead of a Facility.

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

It's one of the day one mods by Long War Studios.

Efb.

Dongattack
Dec 20, 2006

by Cyrano4747
Man, theres a lot of leftover garbage from XCOM1 in the inis, kinda confusing. Trying to change the respeccing time to as close to zero as possible.

ZenVulgarity
Oct 9, 2012

I made the hat by transforming my zen

Dongattack posted:

Man, theres a lot of leftover garbage from XCOM1 in the inis, kinda confusing. Trying to change the respeccing time to as close to zero as possible.

Explains why you can get XCOM 1 skills!

redreader
Nov 2, 2009

I am the coolest person ever with my pirate chalice. Seriously.

Dinosaur Gum
The avatar installations have pips next to them. What do they represent? The amount I'd set back the avatar project by, or something else? I can see what enemies are at each and some seem a little easier than others. One I can assault has 1 pip and one has 5.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

madmac posted:

I haven't really messed around with the AWC yet, how does the skill training thing work? Do I have to have a unit assigned to the building when they get promoted to learn a rando skill? Because that kinda sounds like a pain to juggle.

I'm wondering this as well, how does it work? It says "bonus" skill, do you get that in addition to the normal level skill?

Broken Cog posted:

Hopefully someone will be able to mod the character creator to be more flexible with the colours/etc. It's impossible to make a decent Commander Keen as it is. :arghfist:

Yeah things like hair color palettes I feel are kinda hosed up. The first DLC update is all about character customization stuff though so that could help.

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

Man even if I had more than a 48% chance to not gently caress it up, hacking has been laughably useless so far. Oh boy, 48% chance to turn a scanner off (that turns off when I enter combat anyway) and a 1% at +2 vision or a 50% twice as many enemies for the rest of the mission! What a treat!

ditty bout my clitty
May 28, 2011

by FactsAreUseless
Fun Shoe
Holy poo poo the amount of downright bad skills in this game

how me a frog
Feb 6, 2014
I just had a snake tongue lassoo a trooper to a random location way behind enemy lines then teleport to that same trooper (despite being supressed) to begin to strangle him. That's not XCOM, that's just st raight up bullshit.

Ash1138
Sep 29, 2001

Get up, chief. We're just gettin' started.

Exo suits might be completely ripped from Edge of Tomorrow, but that's okay because they're baller as gently caress. Also I like giving my ranger a shotgun and a suit with an even bigger shotgun.

Sulphagnist
Oct 10, 2006

WARNING! INTRUDERS DETECTED

redreader posted:

The avatar installations have pips next to them. What do they represent? The amount I'd set back the avatar project by, or something else?

It's exactly that, but holy gently caress, five? How far are you in the story? I have yet to see five.

ZearothK
Aug 25, 2008

I've lost twice, I've failed twice and I've gotten two dishonorable mentions within 7 weeks. But I keep coming back. I am The Trooper!

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021


redreader posted:

The avatar installations have pips next to them. What do they represent? The amount I'd set back the avatar project by, or something else? I can see what enemies are at each and some seem a little easier than others. One I can assault has 1 pip and one has 5.

It is the amount of pips of the avatar project the facility's worth.

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

RBA Starblade posted:

Man even if I had more than a 48% chance to not gently caress it up, hacking has been laughably useless so far. Oh boy, 48% chance to turn a scanner off (that turns off when I enter combat anyway) and a 1% at +2 vision or a 50% twice as many enemies for the rest of the mission! What a treat!

Alternatively, some of the lamp posts can literally give you an immediate extra turn, mind control every single enemy mechanized unit on the map for several turns, or make your entire squad immune to several attacks. What rewards show up is pretty RNG but the powerful ones are game changingly strong.

Fat Samurai
Feb 16, 2011

To go quickly is foolish. To go slowly is prudent. Not to go; that is wisdom.
efb. Well, this moves fast...

redreader posted:

The amount I'd set back the avatar project by, or something else? I can see what enemies are at each and some seem a little easier than others. One I can assault has 1 pip and one has 5.
Yes. Each facility contributes to the project individually, so knocking off a facility with 3 pips pushes the counter back those 3 pips. I'm not sure where the Dark Project pips are assigned, if anywhere.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Ash1138 posted:

Exo suits might be completely ripped from Edge of Tomorrow, but that's okay because they're baller as gently caress. Also I like giving my ranger a shotgun and a suit with an even bigger shotgun.



X-com as a saturday morning cartoon :lol:

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Inglonias posted:

This thread is moving awfully fast, so apologies if I missed this, but is there any word that Firaxis is working on a performance patch of some kind? I still have that foolish hope that a patch will magically make this game playable on my laptop with an Intel HD 4000. (I also have a desktop with a GTX 670, but that's at home and I'm at university right now)

Have you tried this? You're lucky to get 5fps at minimal on an Intel HD 4000.

Soothing Vapors
Mar 26, 2006

Associate Justice Lena "Kegels" Dunham: An uncool thought to have: 'is that guy walking in the dark behind me a rapist? Never mind, he's Asian.

madmac posted:

I haven't really messed around with the AWC yet, how does the skill training thing work? Do I have to have a unit assigned to the building when they get promoted to learn a rando skill? Because that kinda sounds like a pain to juggle.

You don't have to assign dudes to the AWC. The bonus skill just pops up on promotion. Every soldier gets 1, and no more.

Zaphod42 posted:

I'm wondering this as well, how does it work? It says "bonus" skill, do you get that in addition to the normal level skill?
In addition.

Tenzarin
Jul 24, 2007
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Taco Defender

Zaphod42 posted:

I'm wondering this as well, how does it work? It says "bonus" skill, do you get that in addition to the normal level skill?

Its pretty much random.

I got a heavy with deep cover, hunker down as long as they dont shoot and a sniper with covering fire, activate overwatch when enemies shoot.

I haven't been able to use snipers good at all on legend. To level up you need to bring them on timed missions but a sniper cant move and shoot making them kinda gimp. With pistols are trying to rely on a 3 dmg weapon when I need to be hitting 5+. I tried gunslinger it was pretty bad because they have to get shot to activate return fire, lightning hands is pretty cool a free pistol shot but its kinda worthless.

Tenzarin fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Feb 8, 2016

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

Kanos posted:

Alternatively, some of the lamp posts can literally give you an immediate extra turn, mind control every single enemy mechanized unit on the map for several turns, or make your entire squad immune to several attacks. What rewards show up is pretty RNG but the powerful ones are game changingly strong.

I know there's hack rewards to become better at hacking but I haven't seen those yet so the actually good rewards will remain 1% chances for now. Hacking is the only thing I don't like in the game so far.

quote:

Yes. Each facility contributes to the project individually, so knocking off a facility with 3 pips pushes the counter back those 3 pips. I'm not sure where the Dark Project pips are assigned, if anywhere.

Is it possible to run out of things to set back the Avatar Project on?

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014

Can you draw out the game as long as you want in XCOM2, if you so choose to before commuting to the final battle? Or is that impossible due to the Dark Events + Avatar clock thing?

Soothing Vapors
Mar 26, 2006

Associate Justice Lena "Kegels" Dunham: An uncool thought to have: 'is that guy walking in the dark behind me a rapist? Never mind, he's Asian.

Fat Samurai posted:

efb. Well, this moves fast...

Yes. Each facility contributes to the project individually, so knocking off a facility with 3 pips pushes the counter back those 3 pips. I'm not sure where the Dark Project pips are assigned, if anywhere.

I believe Dark Project pips are assigned to the Christ the Redeemer statue in the ocean, and that's why doom will eventually catch up to you over time.

Tenzarin
Jul 24, 2007
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Taco Defender
So clearing a facility wont wipe all the pips away?

Baron Porkface
Jan 22, 2007


Is the Avatar project a more interesting story than "The Collectors are making a new Reaper!"? No actual spoilers please.

Kanos
Sep 6, 2006

was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

RBA Starblade posted:

I know there's hack rewards to become better at hacking but I haven't seen those yet so the actually good rewards will remain 1% chances for now. Hacking is the only thing I don't like in the game so far.

Even with absolutely zero hack rewards, an upgraded skulljack and an upgraded gremlin will make higher level specialists able to ~80% most second tier rewards and 60% the third tier. You won't be doing things like reliably hacking sectopods without upgrades but you can absolutely get consistent rewards from mission objectives and lamp posts without a single hack reward as your equipment improves.

Soothing Vapors
Mar 26, 2006

Associate Justice Lena "Kegels" Dunham: An uncool thought to have: 'is that guy walking in the dark behind me a rapist? Never mind, he's Asian.

Tenzarin posted:

Its pretty much random.

I got a heavy with deep cover, hunker down as long as they dont shoot and a sniper with covering fire, activate overwatch when enemies shoot.

I haven't been able to use snipers good at all on legend. To level up you need to bring them on timed missions but a sniper cant move and shoot making them kinda gimp. They are to rely on a 3 dmg weapon when I need to be hitting 5+. I tried gunslinger it was pretty bad because they have to get shot to activate return fire, lightning hands is pretty cool a free pistol shot but its kinda worthless.

Pistol Sharpshooters start to shine as you go further down the tree. You get a guaranteed 2 pistol shots per turn baseline; Lightning Hands pumps it to 3 every few turns; you get the shoot everyone in sight skill and the "fire three shots at one dude" skill to round it out. It adds up to a ton of damage. When you get ammo to put on them they get nuts, you're poisoning, burning, or shredding depending what ammo you go with several times per turn. '

I think my pistol sharpshooter has more kills than the rest of my A-team put together.

Dongattack
Dec 20, 2006

by Cyrano4747

Dongattack posted:

Man, theres a lot of leftover garbage from XCOM1 in the inis, kinda confusing. Trying to change the respeccing time to as close to zero as possible.

DefaultGameData.ini:
code:
XComHeadquarters_DefaultRespecSoldierDays[1]=0
Instant respecs, easy peasy. Time to try stealthy rangers.

Soothing Vapors
Mar 26, 2006

Associate Justice Lena "Kegels" Dunham: An uncool thought to have: 'is that guy walking in the dark behind me a rapist? Never mind, he's Asian.

Tenzarin posted:

So clearing a facility wont wipe all the pips away?

Clearing a facility wipes away the pips that that facility contributed to the project (you can see that underneath the facility).

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

Soothing Vapors posted:

Pistol Sharpshooters start to shine as you go further down the tree. You get a guaranteed 2 pistol shots per turn baseline; Lightning Hands pumps it to 3 every few turns; you get the shoot everyone in sight skill and the "fire three shots at one dude" skill to round it out. It adds up to a ton of damage. When you get ammo to put on them they get nuts, you're poisoning, burning, or shredding depending what ammo you go with several times per turn. '

I think my pistol sharpshooter has more kills than the rest of my A-team put together.

Even early on the handcannon is so much better than the sniper it's not funny.

redreader
Nov 2, 2009

I am the coolest person ever with my pirate chalice. Seriously.

Dinosaur Gum
I want to know if the game will get harder or if I'm in the endgame. Equipment wise: I have t3 everything, and the lategame enemies I encounter are:
archon (angels), gatekeeper (1 per mission max so far), sectopod, advanced mech, elite troopers/shield/captains/lancers, crysalid, codex, codex avatar, andromedan, muton, berserker, then the poo poo tier stuff like snakemen and sectoids and faceless.

KoB
May 1, 2009
Does the Workshop give a production bonus on top of engineers, or are the gremlins instead of engineers?

Gortarius
Jun 6, 2013

idiot
I'm considering buying this, so I'd like to know how buggy is this one? I got the first game on launch and it was preeeetty buggy and iirc was patched in a very casual pace.

Here's a bunch of followup questions:

Can you sneak up on enemies this time around? They no longer get a free turn when you encounter them?

Can I have more sensible loadouts now, or do I still have to choose between stungun and medpack or whatever the first game had?

Is soldier class assignment still completely random?

Empress Brosephine
Mar 31, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
This game is information overload in the beggining, which is odd because I felt XCom 1 was perfect. I don't know what i'm supposed to do or what. :qq: Am I supposed to go on missions in between the things that say 4 Days etc on the map?

Also the game looks amazing yet horrid at the same time. I'm playing on medium but the map feels sparse and the effects look bad but the models look amazing. Wish they tilted the scales a little differently with settings. :shrug:

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Ash1138
Sep 29, 2001

Get up, chief. We're just gettin' started.

Zaphod42 posted:



X-com as a saturday morning cartoon :lol:
I got into a bit of a pickle during a terror mission with a sectoid, archon, gatekeeper, faceless, two stun lancers, and a shieldbearer all joining in the fun. They were however all sort of close together. Salvo is a good skill.

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